Discussions on the SM3 Ending **Spoilers** [Merged]

[Venom 1988]

What a cry baby...

Awww so hes considered a cry baby for having a valid opinion?

Dont get me wrong the spidey movies are aweasome, but I do have to agree with Mr 7000's points.

 

[November Rain]

so you're saying that you are dissapointed in both spidey flicks thus far... Bummer!

well in all fairness, neither of them as stories are as good as the best ones told in the comics, or even animation, where one can argue (especially in earlier comics and animation) that there was a far shorter amount of time in order to get stories told (before the days of arcs and what not).

only when placed against other superherofilms do they seem to shine in the eyes of people.

I feel as parts of genre, they hold it back as they play to what the rest of the world feel reading a comicbook is like, with everything being 2-d with distictive good and evil, right and wrong EVEN when the spiderman character is based on a completely grey area of not acting when supposed to.

leaving out the grey is what will forever stop this genre moving forward but unfortunately every film that tries to add grey seems to get taken badly or lack the financial sucess.

I guess it comes down to the needs of a movie goer are completely different to the needs of a comic book reader or a reader in general. Which is why the vast majority of book readers will always prefer their versions to films.

it all comes down to the lack...of....grey...

 

[Odametal]

Awww so hes considered a cry baby for having a valid opinion?

Dont get me wrong the spidey movies are aweasome, but I do have to agree with Mr 7000's points.

Thats my opinion.
Have a good day.
I SAID GOOD DAY!!!t:

 

[The Joker]

I've always said that these movies are great movies. They're just not great Spider-Man movies.

There's too many changes to the characters in that they just don't have the same feel as the comic book characters. But, they still deliver very enjoyable movies. Which is more than can be said for alot of comic book movies today.

 

[Mr Jide]

well in all fairness, neither of them as stories are as good as the best ones told in the comics, or even animation, where one can argue (especially in earlier comics and animation) that there was a far shorter amount of time in order to get stories told (before the days of arcs and what not).

only when placed against other superherofilms do they seem to shine in the eyes of people.

I feel as parts of genre, they hold it back as they play to what the rest of the world feel reading a comicbook is like, with everything being 2-d with distictive good and evil, right and wrong EVEN when the spiderman character is based on a completely grey area of not acting when supposed to.

leaving out the grey is what will forever stop this genre moving forward but unfortunately every film that tries to add grey seems to get taken badly or lack the financial sucess.

I guess it comes down to the needs of a movie goer are completely different to the needs of a comic book reader or a reader in general. Which is why the vast majority of book readers will always prefer their versions to films.

it all comes down to the lack...of....grey...

Dang nabbit, I love seeing when people post exactly what I feel, plus, it saves me from having to type so damn much.

 

[Visionary]

No fan prefers a movie over said comic book, novel, children book, comic strip, etc. They will always lack when you compare the two, that's just the way it is and will always be.

 

[Odametal]

Dang nabbit, I love seeing when people post exactly what I feel, plus, it saves me from having to type so damn much.

In some points, I have to agree with you. The Spider-Man movies are really good, but they could be way awesome, if we hada different director or a different cast.
We have to understand that these movies(Spider-Man, Batman, Superman, etc) are some dude(or studio) vision over these characters. They take the material and try to make their own. Sometimes its really cool, sometimes it sucks. But believe me, us complain or not, all of ours asses will be seated on a theater chair on May 4th.

Ps: I don't respect Sam Raimi anymore because he is killing Venom.

PS²: You' re probably asking yourself why I Call Mr.7000 a cry baby and saying all these things now. I called him a cry baby because I feel like it.
Deal with it.

 

[Spiderine]

Well, he gets stopped by the tears of a little girl (his daughter ) so he cant be all that bad.

Well, do you suggest he brutally savagely butcher a man in front of his little child?

 

[Mr Jide]

In some points, I have to agree with you. The Spider-Man movies are really good, but they could be way awesome, if we hada different director or a different cast.

Personally, any decent director can do the job. What counts the most is the material, the script. Over 40 years of stories and the screen plays for sm1 and 2 ultimately suck.

Ps: I don't respect Sam Raimi anymore because he is killing Venom.

Damn homey, Raimi killed spider-man, MJ and the entire mythos from the get go with his whacky take on what he envisioned but he miraculously raked in $2billion or whatever. He's probably laughing his ass off at fooling all us "suckers".

PS²: You' re probably asking yourself why I Call Mr.7000 a cry baby and saying all these things now. I called him a cry baby because I feel like it.
Deal with it.

Of course. Free speech and all...











...& I think your a bastardized jackass. All is fair my friend, all is fair

 

[Mr Jide]

Well, do you suggest he brutally savagely butcher a man in front of his little child?

If he's bad enough. They dont call 'em supervillains for nothing you know

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

I've always said that these movies are great movies. They're just not great Spider-Man movies.

There's too many changes to the characters in that they just don't have the same feel as the comic book characters. But, they still deliver very enjoyable movies. Which is more than can be said for alot of comic book movies today.

well comic book movies will always have changes to them in terms of how the character looks etc. but one of the things that will always remain the same is where the superhero gets his powers from in this case spider-man. they will have alot of comic book elements in them though such as battle sequences and especially the train sequence in spidey2 which had comic book written all over it and I have a feeling the battle royal in this film will live up to the comics like the other battles in the movie did.

now this battle will be the most amazing battle in comic book history I can tell you that much and I really didn't see that in past superhero flicks. just adding venom in the final battle is all the more better and living up to the comic books from my perspective.

 

[Naite22]

to all that are dissapointed in the spidey flicks, why do you hang around these boards, anticipating spidey 3? I mean, if you're not exited to see it, because of your dissapointments with the last two?? This aint a huge argument I'm trying to start here, and I'm not asking to be an ass, I'm just curious.

 

[echostation]

I really hope Spider-man 3 rocks the house cuz my big problem with the movies so far has been absolutely nothing BUT THE ACTION... The action was just God Awful in the second and first film with spidey punching like some mugger... when he clocked Doc Ock... POUND BOOOM... Ock should've been dead... but no, he just hit him as if it was kid strength... really teh puffy

 

[Doomriderr666]

well in all fairness, neither of them as stories are as good as the best ones told in the comics, or even animation, where one can argue (especially in earlier comics and animation) that there was a far shorter amount of time in order to get stories told (before the days of arcs and what not).

only when placed against other superherofilms do they seem to shine in the eyes of people.

I feel as parts of genre, they hold it back as they play to what the rest of the world feel reading a comicbook is like, with everything being 2-d with distictive good and evil, right and wrong EVEN when the spiderman character is based on a completely grey area of not acting when supposed to.

leaving out the grey is what will forever stop this genre moving forward but unfortunately every film that tries to add grey seems to get taken badly or lack the financial sucess.

I guess it comes down to the needs of a movie goer are completely different to the needs of a comic book reader or a reader in general. Which is why the vast majority of book readers will always prefer their versions to films.

it all comes down to the lack...of....grey...

Agreed. Now we play the waiting game and see if SM3 hits closer to the target or strays farther off. It's going to be interesting to see just how the stories end up being shown on the big screen and if they come closer to the comic feel compared to the last two

 

[GuesssWho]

No fan prefers a movie over said comic book, novel, children book, comic strip, etc. They will always lack when you compare the two, that's just the way it is and will always be.

So I've noticed.t:

 

[YodatheHobbit]

No fan prefers a movie over said comic book, novel, children book, comic strip, etc. They will always lack when you compare the two, that's just the way it is and will always be.

Actually I'd have to respectfully dissagree. While that's the case with most people I'm sorry to say on these boards that I've never bought a comic book and have only read a few sentences out of a couple of them. I grew up watching TAS and that influenced me to watch the movies. Although I didn't like the first movie more than the TAS at first, after repeat viewings I thought it had more heart and that they're both slightly better written with the same characters I grew up with as 7-13 year old(well expect for "It's you who's out Gobby! Outta your mind!" Who the hell could like that!?). Kinda of like the same people, but in another dimension. The inconsistences I didn't like i.e Peter's "look" and other changes now seem superficial or unimportant.

 

[November Rain]

to all that are dissapointed in the spidey flicks, why do you hang around these boards, anticipating spidey 3? I mean, if you're not exited to see it, because of your dissapointments with the last two?? This aint a huge argument I'm trying to start here, and I'm not asking to be an ass, I'm just curious.

because we are hoping that they strive for better?

Honestly, what is the point of having a forum where everyone has the same positive opinion, it wastes times and only reinforces your own views, heck you may end up realising something you haven't thought about before.

besides, with each new story is a new chance for a film franchise to either redeem or drown itself. I didn't love x2 or x3 even though i enjoyed x1 and even with all the deviated character traits set up for spidey 3, i won't be watching it with a tainted view because i thought the second one was mediocre and with hindsight the first was very simplistic.

 

[November Rain]

No fan prefers a movie over said comic book, novel, children book, comic strip, etc. They will always lack when you compare the two, that's just the way it is and will always be.

well there are actually bits and bobs of films that i do enjoy better than comics

wolverine's claws not coming from those metal holes and out of his fist as well as his height increase.

the representation of the hulk's speed (i've always assumed he was slow and never realised how fast he could be)

doc ock's flower based tentacle design was practically a stroke of genius...

norman's communication with the goblin

toad's reivention in the first x-men film as well as mystique's

I also liked the relationship between the hulk and his father and the general tone of the film better than pretty much any hulk comic i've got or read with the exception of the death of betty ross.

I also quite enjoyed the overall plot of the first x-men movies, of all superhero films, i thought it was probably the best thought out plan and had the best means of actually making a difference (if the mutations were stable). I don't have many x-men comics but that plan was better than any, especially with the twist of magneto wanting rogue and not wolverine which forced him to be a team player.


there are bits and bobs that shine out in these films, unfortunately they are shrowded by quite a few other things, mostly real core revelations about characters through their behaviour and reactions to different situations. The worst thing is that when this void is attempted to be plugged, people complain about it being boring.

i'd like to see a superhero film one day without more than five minutes of violence or with no villain scheme, if that. maybe a single punch would suffice to see just how good a movie writer could be. Don't think many people could pull it off...

 

[Mr Jide]

to all that are dissapointed in the spidey flicks, why do you hang around these boards, anticipating spidey 3? I mean, if you're not exited to see it, because of your dissapointments with the last two?? This aint a huge argument I'm trying to start here, and I'm not asking to be an ass, I'm just curious.

Just because one may be dissapointed with the past, it doesn't mean it's doom and gloom for the future.

Here's an analogy, its like saying, you went out with 2 girls in the last 5 years and they both cheated on you. Does that mean you should stop going and pursuing a relationship with girls? Of course not.

 

[November Rain]

although these two girls are sisters and dissapointment runs in the family...

 

[Naite22]

^ VERY good line!!!