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Considering firing Fury is a stupid ass decision, can he choose to ignore that too?
Like a less extreme version of Ozymandias, my favorite Watchmen character.
Considering firing Fury is a stupid ass decision, can he choose to ignore that too?
I'm not so sure, myself. I think its equally likely that the WSC will grumble, but admit to themselves that they almost screwed up, and trying to punish Fury for being right has too many downsides to be worth it.
That said, Fury *was* right, and he might even be able to invoke the illegal order doctrine if necessary.
Ordering a nuclear strike against a civilian population is a war crime and Fury was absolutely correct in refusing to comply. The WSC could be held to account for that, as millions saw the missile coming in on live TV. Even the pilot could conceivably be punished for launching the missile, just as soldiers have been tried for participating in war crimes under the orders of their superiors.
It's interesting to note that one of the reasons cited by the US Department of Defense for refusing to assist the production of The Avengers was that very sequence. The DOD was concerned with the role of the WSC and the US military in carrying out the order to nuke Manhattan. That was a valid sticking point as the US military's position is that it won't support movies that portray service members taking illegal actions.
Yup, they launched against a ship that was near Dallas, TX, at the time. And yeah, it wasn't effective: "Target remains. I repeat. Target...remains." I love that movie.I don't know what happened with Independence Day and whether the DOD were even asked for support on that film, but I remember there was a similar scenario, wasn't there? But it was the POTUS who ordered the nuclear strike. Was it actually launched and it didn't have any effect, or were they thinking of launching it and found it wouldn't have had any effect? I don't remember now. I get the feeling it was the former.
Yup, they launched against a ship that was near Dallas, TX, at the time. And yeah, it wasn't effective: "Target remains. I repeat. Target...remains." I love that movie.
But the circumstances were a little different. The aliens had already destroyed all of the biggest, most populated cities and had killed tens of millions of people all over the world. And Dallas had mostly been evacuated, so it wasn't like the nuke would have instantly killed millions of civilians.
Same here. In fact, I wish the Avengers had some elements more like that. Specifically, in Independence Day, they didn't just defeat the aliens by flying a nuke into the heart of the ship or portal, like Iron Man did. When they did that in Independence Day, that was only AFTER they figured out how to disable the ships' shields and Jeff Goldblum and Will Smith had uploaded a virus. So they had to use their intelligence to beat the aliens.
I would've liked to see Tony Stark and Bruce Banner doing something similar, and maybe having Hawkeye piloting a ship that was carrying them (to give him something more heroic to do). Imagine Stark and/or Banner in the Goldblum role and Hawkeye in the Smith role in that scene.
Of course, they wouldn't be able to copy it, but Whedon could've come up with a similar scenario. I just thought that element gave Independence Day more of a smartness in that area that the Avengers lacked, where it seemed that in the Avengers the aliens were ultimately destroyed by brute force rather than wits.
I loved ID4 at the time, and still do actually, but looking back on that plot point it is like "What?". I mean it is a little nonsensical. These aliens that came form worlds away with technology powerful enough for force shields and mega photon canons, have computer systems based on Unix???? And they don't have virus protection???
That would've added another 15-20 mins of the film which was unnecessary. I'm glad it didn't do this no offense. It would of just made it too much.But if they did something similar in the Avengers (not saying it should be a virus, but if it were) they could've had it more like an actual virus like in Star Trek: TNG where Picard was originally wanted to use to infect the Borg and kill every last one of them. I think he had Dr Crusher synthesise a nano virus to upload to Hugh Borg, and then when he joined with the collective again they would all be affected. But Crusher protested against what would've amounted to mass genocide.
How Coulson returns has been (purportedly) leaked.
http://www.slashfilm.com/want-to-know-how-agent-coulson-comes-back-in-agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d/
That's pretty...expected. Like, that's it?
How Coulson returns has been (purportedly) leaked.
http://www.slashfilm.com/want-to-know-how-agent-coulson-comes-back-in-agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d/
That's pretty...expected. Like, that's it?
lol appalling... The righteous indignation when it comes to some of this stuff, I swear...