Comics Do you like the unmasking....THE POLL

[Chris Wallace]

I'm certainly being treated like one here. No wonder most people don't want to come into this forum.

I don't think so. But you do seem to get a little defensive when someone consistently disagrees with you. Make like a duck & let it roll off your back.

 

[freemadison]

I'm sorry they aren't making sense to you. It's just a difference of opinion. It just seems like I'm being treated like I'm some kind of moron because I don't follow the leader with how I feel about the current state of Spider-Man.

Hey man, that's great that you enjoy the stories. I've been enjoying the stories too (or I wouldn't read them)

Much like in th 90's when I was this 15 year old kid debating with grown adults about Ben Reilly being the one true Spider-Man. I loved it and thought it was going to be a great read, which it was for me. But I got treated like a piece of crap everytime I walked into the comic shop because they felt I "wasn't worthy".

Sounds like me back then. Which was especially annoying since I was generally more knowledgable about Spidey than the casual fan who hated the story because it didn't fit his or her preconceptions. I think I tend to enjoy stories more (such as Civil War, with a completely out of character Spidey) because for the most part I accept everything they do as continuity (I don't try to pretend Sins Past didn't happen, sadly, it DID). In this way, I accept most everything the characters in the stories do as perhaps the natural progression of events (people change), even if it's simply bad writing fueling the change. Although, I must admit it can get painful reading back issues and seeing contradictions. Ah whatever, I like comics but I don't take them too seriously. This isn't Nietzsche, it's Amazing Spider-Man by the dude who created Babylon 5.

Annnnnyyyywaaaayyyss, I actually don't view the unmasking as being WILDLY out of character. Yes, I know how important his secret has always been. However, this is a unique event in that his vigilantism may finally be "legal", his Aunt knows his identity (which never was the case before) and wants him to do the "right" thing (even if it contradicts with his natural instinct of right and wrong), and MOST of his peers (including almost ALL of the really respectable ones sans Captain America) are pro-reg. I think the characterization actually makes sense. Aunt May would be disappointed with him if he didn't do it, Tony Stark and most of his friends in the superhero community would become enemies, Peter has always struck me as having "Right-Wing" leanings (i don't wanna generalize tho), and with this much peer pressure I'm sure Peter would start smoking too. As much as I love a confident Spidey, he was never THIS confident to go against ALL of his loved ones.

The only thing that really grinds my gears is that he never actually HAD to unmask. All he had to do was register with the government. Simply unmasking cause Tony needed a figurehead didn't ring true to me.

And yet all I see around here are people clamoring for the return of Ben Reilly, which boggles my mind.

wooooooo!

 

[SpideyInATree]

I don't think so. But you do seem to get a little defensive when someone consistently disagrees with you. Make like a duck & let it roll off your back.

I get defensive a little bit because you almost have to on these boards. You say something that doesn't go with the majority of the opinion and it's like whacking a bees nest.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Dude, get used to it. You think you're the only one who's ever had to defend an unpopular opinion? I'm a straight black man who hates rap, supports gay marriage & listens to Michael Jackson.
If that doesn't make you feel better, I also listen to Panic! At The Disco.

 

[Sloth7d]

Dude, get used to it. You think you're the only one who's ever had to defend an unpopular opinion? I'm a straight black man who hates rap, supports gay marriage & listens to Michael Jackson.
If that doesn't make you feel better, I also listen to Panic! At The Disco.

But I tend to listen to a bit of every type of music.

 

[freemadison]

Dude, get used to it. You think you're the only one who's ever had to defend an unpopular opinion? I'm a straight black man who hates rap, supports gay marriage & listens to Michael Jackson.
If that doesn't make you feel better, I also listen to Panic! At The Disco.

hahahaha

that made me smile t:

 

[shinlyle]

I'm certainly being treated like one here. No wonder most people don't want to come into this forum.

See...I thought most people sisn't want to come into this forum because of the simple fact that there isn't much positive to say about Spider-Man books.
Alot of people were raised with the belief that "if you can't say anythign nice, don't say anything at all"...

...I was raised to believe that "Silence solves nothing".

 

[Chris Wallace]

But I tend to listen to a bit of every type of music.

Well, I don't honestly hate ALL rap; just about 80-85% of it. Some of them have some good lyrics and/or good flows.

 

[Sloth7d]

"if you can't say anythign nice, say it on the internet."

fixd

 

[Chris Wallace]

That's pretty accurate.

 

[SpideyInATree]

...I was raised to believe that "Silence solves nothing".

Well the constant complaints and name calling thrown at the editors and creators isn't really solving anything either.

 

[Chris Wallace]

It vents frustration.

 

[Cyclops]

Well the constant complaints and name calling thrown at the editors and creators isn't really solving anything either.

But it feels good. It feels good to know that despite what Quesada and his ilk say, there are a good number of people who dislike these events as much as you do.

And if it creates solidarity amongst fans, then that's something.

 

[SpideyInATree]

But it feels good. It feels good to know that despite what Quesada and his ilk say, there are a good number of people who dislike these events as much as you do.

And if it creates solidarity amongst fans, then that's something.

Ok, but it's not really solving anything though. And I don't really see many of these people feeling good really, if anything they seem to be going into the opposite direction. People seem to be feeling like they're dog of 10 years got taken out behind the barn and shot in the skull.

 

[Cyclops]

So what? Does every expression of opinion have to solve things?

I love it when those who support things criticize those who detract from them by bringing up the "it doesn't solve anything" card. So what? Does your support solve anything? Does it convince anybody who dislikes it to repent? No.

So I turn it right back around at you. Your opinions don't solve anything either. Opinions rarely do. Especially on the Internet. We're not here to solve the problems of comicbooks, we're here to talk about them.

 

[SpideyInATree]

So what? Does every expression of opinion have to solve things?

I love it when those who support things criticize those who detract from them by bringing up the "it doesn't solve anything" card. So what? Does your support solve anything? Does it convince anybody who dislikes it to repent? No.

So I turn it right back around at you. Your opinions don't solve anything either. Opinions rarely do. Especially on the Internet. We're not here to solve the problems of comicbooks, we're here to talk about them.

I wasn't pulling any "card", so to speak. Most people around here always say they want to "petition" things and send Marvel a message. I'm not the one who brought up whether or not an opinion can solve a matter. And I'm not saying that my opinions are solving anything, I don't care, or want to change anybody's mind. It would be nice to be heard instead of being treated like a moron because I don't follow the popular opinion.

It's annoying as hell that when someone is expressing a different opinion and they're basically attacked by most posters. Almost EVERYTHING is negative around here. That's what my point is.

The best example is when there is a post in the Spidey comic forum and the same exact post enters the Marvel comic forum. It's two completely different types of discussions.

 

[Sloth7d]

The only person I know that fanboy ranting worked on is AkiraTiryama.
And he's not even from America.

 

[Chris Wallace]

But it feels good. It feels good to know that despite what Quesada and his ilk say, there are a good number of people who dislike these events as much as you do.

And if it creates solidarity amongst fans, then that's something.

Considering that you & I have probably agreed on as many topics as we've butted heads on, the solidarity is nice.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Ok, but it's not really solving anything though. And I don't really see many of these people feeling good really, if anything they seem to be going into the opposite direction. People seem to be feeling like they're dog of 10 years got taken out behind the barn and shot in the skull.

1-What's all your relentless defending solving?
2-it does feel like somebody shot my dog, after @$$-raping him with a tennis racket.

 

[Chris Wallace]

I wasn't pulling any "card", so to speak. Most people around here always say they want to "petition" things and send Marvel a message. I'm not the one who brought up whether or not an opinion can solve a matter. And I'm not saying that my opinions are solving anything, I don't care, or want to change anybody's mind. It would be nice to be heard instead of being treated like a moron because I don't follow the popular opinion.

It's annoying as hell that when someone is expressing a different opinion and they're basically attacked by most posters. Almost EVERYTHING is negative around here. That's what my point is.

The best example is when there is a post in the Spidey comic forum and the same exact post enters the Marvel comic forum. It's two completely different types of discussions.

There you go getting defensive again. Stop taking our disagreeing with your remarks personally. You post something, someone disagrees, they rebutt it. And you do the same. That's how discussion works. Would you really have much to say if everybody here loved the "sidekick suit" & thought the unmasking was a great idea?
Of course not. You want us to respect your opinion, then damn it, you have to do the same.

 

[SpideyInATree]

There you go getting defensive again. Stop taking our disagreeing with your remarks personally. You post something, someone disagrees, they rebutt it. And you do the same. That's how discussion works. Would you really have much to say if everybody here loved the "sidekick suit" & thought the unmasking was a great idea?
Of course not. You want us to respect your opinion, then damn it, you have to do the same.

But in a lot of cases it's a little more than disagreeing, it's more along the lines of completely dismissing someone because that's what the majority seem to agree on. If it were along the lines of a discussion we wouldn't be having this conversation. And if everyone here liked the new costume and the unmasking my Hype life here would be a lot less stressful. I do respect peoples opinions, but it's when it goes beyond an opinion and some people try to push their opinions off as a fact and begin to dismiss others opinions. THAT'S what makes me want to pull my hair out when it comes to this forum.

 

[Chris Wallace]

You mustn't take it that way. I personally try not to be intolerant.
Remember that this is supposed to be all in fun. Let's keep it fun.
However, the anti-regs might be a little more receptive if you weren't so quick to make it sound like we don't know what we're talking about. Now I can accept that you like what Joe & Co. have done of late, & that's fine. But the main points that we're arguing are:
1-it conflicts with 40+ years of character history. Everything he's done & everything he's experienced up until his "death", suggests that Peter Parker would NEVER reveal his identity to the world. That is what we mean by "out of character". You keep insisting that recent events suggest otherwise. But one year's events DO NOT change who you are inside.
2-it's an unwise move on Peter's part. You have, in a way, conceded this by repeatedly pointing out his doubts, & the fact that he's bound to recant his decision.
3-it's a bad long-term strategy on Marvel's part. He ain't gonna be an Avenger forever, or even long after CW ends. Then what? Say MJ & May don't get killed. Ok. Say it's not wiped fropm the public's memory. Now he can't get a job because employers don't want Doc Ock showing up on their doorstep. MJ can't find work because the casting director thinks the Shocker might blow up the theatre on opening night. You see where I'm going with this. Right now they are able to spin interesting stories out of the unmasking. But all of them center on how it's biting him in the @$$. This can only go on for so long. And then there comes the issue of what to do with him now? His secret identity was a major defining trait of his character. It gave him the ability to do something a lot of heroes can't-take off the tights & just be Peter Parker. Go home after a hellacious battle & recuperate, w/o fear that another baddie will be sitting on his couch waiting for him. Just keep a distinction between Spider-Man & Peter Parker. Now they've thrown that away for the sake of a gimmick. This is why we question their wisdom.

 

[kguillou]

The idea of Peter unmasking is not a bad one, in fact its only inevitable that he would be unmasked one day, but its still too early in his career for him to unmask. A story like this should be saved for issue #1000 of Amazing Spiderman or something like that.

 

[3dman27]

would the shock /trauma of petes death and rebirth have altered his personalty in some way that would make pete change his way of thinking as it has becoming more of a yes man to tony than an independant thinker i mean

 

[SpideyInATree]

The idea of Peter unmasking is not a bad one, in fact its only inevitable that he would be unmasked one day, but its still too early in his career for him to unmask. A story like this should be saved for issue #1000 of Amazing Spiderman or something like that.

Wow, you're thinking of # 1000?

Holy shins that's quite some time away. Most of the posters on this forum will probably be dead by the time # 1000 rolls around.