Comics Do you like the unmasking....THE POLL

[Kraven]

1,000? Like in 40 more years? Anyway, I just thought I'd say that, even though the unmasking seems like a bad idea in the long run (for me) I'm still liking the current stories. Does that make me a hypocrite?

 

[Chris Wallace]

would the shock /trauma of petes death and rebirth have altered his personalty in some way that would make pete change his way of thinking as it has becoming more of a yes man to tony than an independant thinker i mean

That theory's been kicked around.

 

[Arach Knight]

1)SpideyInATree...you shouldn't feel so bad. I once read a clever article online, about the reason why Gwen Stacy would have slept with Norman Osborn, willingly. The detective work (although later reneged by the author of the article) was so well done, that I came to the conclusion to dislike Sins Past (it's garbage) but to accept the handling of Gwen's character. Needless to say I spent the majority of my thread having to defend that view point. But you shouldn't take it personally. With that said...

2)I completely disagree. Marvel (by which I really mean Quesada) has jerked Spider-Man around so much. I would have to say that the current stories are worst than the Clone Saga. At least the clone saga begat Scarlet Spider and Kane. All of this spider-god and unmasking business has done nothing other than irritate me. I literally stopped buying Marvel books, because of the unmasking. It was just that bad to me. DC can be thankful though, because it's caused me to return to reading Batman books.

 

[Chris Wallace]

1,000? Like in 40 more years? Anyway, I just thought I'd say that, even though the unmasking seems like a bad idea in the long run (for me) I'm still liking the current stories. Does that make me a hypocrite?

Nah. I pretty much feel the same way. It's like I like the stories but not what Peter is doing/has done in them.

 

[SpideyInATree]

1)SpideyInATree...you shouldn't feel so bad. I once read a clever article online, about the reason why Gwen Stacy would have slept with Norman Osborn, willingly. The detective work (although later reneged by the author of the article) was so well done, that I came to the conclusion to dislike Sins Past (it's garbage) but to accept the handling of Gwen's character. Needless to say I spent the majority of my thread having to defend that view point. But you shouldn't take it personally. With that said...

2)I completely disagree. Marvel (by which I really mean Quesada) has jerked Spider-Man around so much. I would have to say that the current stories are worst than the Clone Saga. At least the clone saga begat Scarlet Spider and Kane. All of this spider-god and unmasking business has done nothing other than irritate me. I literally stopped buying Marvel books, because of the unmasking. It was just that bad to me. DC can be thankful though, because it's caused me to return to reading Batman books.

I don't understand why you would just go and boycott all Marvel comics. There are a lot of great Marvel comics out there that AREN'T Spider-Man. I don't see the logic in punishing the other writers and artists of Marvel's stable, who are putting out GREAT work, because you're angry at Joe Quesada for not having Spider-Man do the things you want to see him do.

 

[Arach Knight]

Truth be told, i've stuck with Marvel through most of their bad ideas. Marvel is my primary company of choice, when it comes to comic book entertainment. Because of that, I have been disappointed with them far more than I have been with any other company. While it is true there are other good books like Runaways, New Avengers, Ultimate Spider-Man, Next Wave etc etc...I don't feel quite driven to obtain those, when Marvel can't even get my favorite book right. Sitting above my computer desk is framed issue of Amazing Spider-Man #329. Do you know why I framed it? Because two years ago, I got Stan "The Man" Lee, to autograph it, at E3. It angers me to have my favorite character, put into situations that aren't entertaining to read.

Comic books have continuity. I expect that to give the world some frame of reference. If I am to be washed away into the world that a comic book presents, I expect consistency. I don't expect Gwen Stacy to be a ****. I don't expect Spider-Man to gain powers that have nothing to do with spiders. I expect things to make some grain of sense, beyond some lame idea that gets put into motion, because Quesada insists on his sissy fits over how he hates the way Spider-Man was (because he has obviously something different now). Readers are free to voice opinions. we can send complaint letters...we can be bitter on message boards. Quesada has recognized this. JMS recognizes this (especially after being flamed by nearly every major internet message board, for Sins Past). Nothing however, is more effective than the power of the dollar. After all, didn't they reboot Spider-Man (in a failed effort) after the clone saga caused a decline in sales? It can happen again. And I will contribute to that. The best way I can show my discontent with Marvel, is to just not spend my money with them.

 

[Chris Wallace]

And while I still find entertainment in the situations, it angers me to see my favorite character doing things that are inconsistent with the elements that drew me to him in the first place. I haven't reached the boycotting stage, but when I consider the fact that as EIC, Joe Quesada benefits from every Marvel comic published, it gets harder & harder to hold on. As it is, if any of the predictions floating around on the boards come true, I may be saving myself quite a bit of money very soon.

 

[shinlyle]

Truth be told, i've stuck with Marvel through most of their bad ideas. Marvel is my primary company of choice, when it comes to comic book entertainment. Because of that, I have been disappointed with them far more than I have been with any other company. While it is true there are other good books like Runaways, New Avengers, Ultimate Spider-Man, Next Wave etc etc...I don't feel quite driven to obtain those, when Marvel can't even get my favorite book right. Sitting above my computer desk is framed issue of Amazing Spider-Man #329. Do you know why I framed it? Because two years ago, I got Stan "The Man" Lee, to autograph it, at E3. It angers me to have my favorite character, put into situations that aren't entertaining to read.

Comic books have continuity. I expect that to give the world some frame of reference. If I am to be washed away into the world that a comic book presents, I expect consistency. I don't expect Gwen Stacy to be a ****. I don't expect Spider-Man to gain powers that have nothing to do with spiders. I expect things to make some grain of sense, beyond some lame idea that gets put into motion, because Quesada insists on his sissy fits over how he hates the way Spider-Man was (because he has obviously something different now). Readers are free to voice opinions. we can send complaint letters...we can be bitter on message boards. Quesada has recognized this. JMS recognizes this (especially after being flamed by nearly every major internet message board, for Sins Past). Nothing however, is more effective than the power of the dollar. After all, didn't they reboot Spider-Man (in a failed effort) after the clone saga caused a decline in sales? It can happen again. And I will contribute to that. The best way I can show my discontent with Marvel, is to just not spend my money with them.

Amen.

My thing is, and I wonder if I'm alone on this, but I wonder how many of the people fervently supporting this crap are going to turn around in 5 years and say that they hated it from the beginning? It's certainly happened with the Clone Saga, which is now less hated, if for no other reason than the current direction is twice as bad. I liked the Clone Saga as a temporary idea....a temporary shake-up. When they tried to make it permanent and totally change everything we knew about Spider-Man, it began to truly suck. The same will be said of this in about 5 years.

As for voting with your wallet, that's the ONLY way to vote. "Talk is Cheap", as they say. Hurt the bottom line, though, and watch things turn around.

Thank God the Batman books are good right now.

 

[Chris Wallace]

You know that some of them will do a 180, but many will be defending it 10 years from now, & clamor for the return of the sidekick suit-like the Clone Saga.

 

[wolvie2020]

Thank God the Batman books are good right now.

REALLY???

I was an avid Bats collector, but then it went really downhill for me. The breaking point I had was the return of Jason Todd. That to me was worse than Sins Past, 'cause it would be like bringing Gwen or Ben back.

I would've thought the same with Bucky, but it was done so well, I think the Winter Soldier is one of the most fun characters to watch in the MU imo...

Anyhoo, would you really suggest that I pick up Bats? Even with the Jason Todd thing?

I have to say, even though you know I stopped buying Spidey comics for a LONG time, I really am enjoying all the Civil War stuff, even with the unmasking.

I mean, we all know what's going to happen. It's becoming more and more apparent that Peter has been duped into making the biggest mistake of his life, and he will have a secret ID again. As long as it's handled the same way as DD's secret ID problems, I'm along for the ride.

Saying that, they better move JMS somewhere else after CW

 

[wolvie2020]

You know that some of them will do a 180, but many will be defending it 10 years from now, & clamor for the return of the sidekick suit-like the Clone Saga.

Yep, geeky comic people can be VERY predictable lol

 

[Arach Knight]

I am actually taking a slow plunge, back into Batman, but the One Year Later story for his books, sounds pretty interesting. He left Harvey Dent with the charge of Gotham City, while he was away and training. I find that to be an interesting dynamic, because it is a nod in the general direction of The Long Halloween, in which Batman/Bruce reiterated "I believe in Harvey Dent." Even though Harvey is genuinely insane and mostly evil, Batman never gave up on him. He is a true friend. So to hand over Gothams protection to him, is just an astounding show of trust. I'm excited about reading up on how that plays out. If it is even half as good as The Long Halloween, I will know that things were done right.

 

[Spydernorbs]

Hate it! Totally against it! It's just gonna come back and bite Marvel in the ass! Totally out of character!!! Like Civil War, but they should of done something like they did in "Spider-Man. Black, Blue and Red all over". If they did something like that....Civil War would be an awesome title! But this is Joey Q's private club house....and that tubby bastard doesn't know a good story if he tried...he already said high praises on Sin's Past, Sins Remembered and the Other....then aftwerwards he's like "Okay there were a mistake." What an idiot!

 

[Chris Wallace]

When did he recant on those?

 

[wolvie2020]

Hate it! Totally against it! It's just gonna come back and bite Marvel in the ass! Totally out of character!!! Like Civil War, but they should of done something like they did in "Spider-Man. Black, Blue and Red all over". If they did something like that....Civil War would be an awesome title! But this is Joey Q's private club house....and that tubby bastard doesn't know a good story if he tried...he already said high praises on Sin's Past, Sins Remembered and the Other....then aftwerwards he's like "Okay there were a mistake." What an idiot!

Wel, you know the reason for that right? THEY WERE HIS IDEAS!!!

JMS started to realise he went a bit too far and started to alienate people by taking Spidey too far into mysticm. So for Deodato's debut he needed something big and more along the lines of Spidey's classic great stories, as sales began to drop.

He did the entire story, quite a few people dug it, and the character designs and everything was done. Pete was going to have 2 children, that were stolen and raised by Norman to kill Peter, (actually, I'm not even sure if Norman being involved was what JMS wanted.)

And to make things creepier, the kids were to have the disease where people age way too fast, but due to the extra powers, they developed normally, but were aging at an alarming rate, so they didn't have long to kill the person they hated most in the world, (Peter.)

You see, that's why Gabriel looked so much like Peter, he was SUPPOSED to be Peter's son. But then Joey Q forced it to be Norman's son, and finally now, admits it was bad

Same with the rest. What a pr**k

 

[Chris Wallace]

You just gave me an idea.

 

[Spydernorbs]

I don't even like that idea! That was JMS's plan?! Oh heavens...they are multiplying....*sigh* Ya know JMS was doing really well, he did stick with the mystic stuff a bit too long, but it was tolerable. So JMS is an idiot...so is Joey Q. What happens...they put them together to make a Spidey story....*sigh* Loeb....Campbell...please, have the guts to fix this mess that Joey and JMS are about to start.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Hmmm-we didn't need more Goblins. And now that I think about it, it's kinda lame that Norman would sic somebody else-children, no less-on Spider-Man. You'd think a supervillain would want to take out his most hated enemy himself.

 

[SpideyInATree]

Truth be told, i've stuck with Marvel through most of their bad ideas. Marvel is my primary company of choice, when it comes to comic book entertainment. Because of that, I have been disappointed with them far more than I have been with any other company. While it is true there are other good books like Runaways, New Avengers, Ultimate Spider-Man, Next Wave etc etc...I don't feel quite driven to obtain those, when Marvel can't even get my favorite book right. Sitting above my computer desk is framed issue of Amazing Spider-Man #329. Do you know why I framed it? Because two years ago, I got Stan "The Man" Lee, to autograph it, at E3. It angers me to have my favorite character, put into situations that aren't entertaining to read.

Comic books have continuity. I expect that to give the world some frame of reference. If I am to be washed away into the world that a comic book presents, I expect consistency. I don't expect Gwen Stacy to be a ****. I don't expect Spider-Man to gain powers that have nothing to do with spiders. I expect things to make some grain of sense, beyond some lame idea that gets put into motion, because Quesada insists on his sissy fits over how he hates the way Spider-Man was (because he has obviously something different now). Readers are free to voice opinions. we can send complaint letters...we can be bitter on message boards. Quesada has recognized this. JMS recognizes this (especially after being flamed by nearly every major internet message board, for Sins Past). Nothing however, is more effective than the power of the dollar. After all, didn't they reboot Spider-Man (in a failed effort) after the clone saga caused a decline in sales? It can happen again. And I will contribute to that. The best way I can show my discontent with Marvel, is to just not spend my money with them.

I guess I can see where you're coming from. But, me personally, I just can't understand why you're going to punish guys like Ed Brubaker, Dan Slott, Robert Kirkman, Charlie Huston, Tom Defalco, Brian K. Vaughn etc. simply because Spider-Man isn't being written correctly.

Books like Captain America, Daredevil, She-Hulk, Spider-Girl, Runaways have been consistently amazing reads for years and I haven't, seriously, seen a bad issue from any of these series. And I'm sure there are other posters here who can name other writers at Marvel and other books that have consistently delivered great stories and great fan reaction.

I understand that you, among the majority here are angry with what's going on with Spider-Man, but if you really want there to be a change you have to show Marvel what you want from them. If you're reading the titles that deliver the goods they're basically eventually going to have to change things around.

And if you've been a long time Spider-Man fan you know that things ALWAYS turn back around.

And to address people saying that people are going to look back on this and do a 180? Trust me...not me. I love what's going on right now. I LOVED the clone saga and have ALWAYS and STILL believe that Ben Reilly is the one true Spider-Man.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Well, the mistakes w/Spider-Man ARE spilling over into the other books.
And none of us can predict who will do the 180, but it's going to happen. Of this I'm certain.

 

[Spydernorbs]

And to address people saying that people are going to look back on this and do a 180? Trust me...not me. I love what's going on right now. I LOVED the clone saga and have ALWAYS and STILL believe that Ben Reilly is the one true Spider-Man.

how? How HOW HOW HHHOOOWWWW?

 

[Arach Knight]

And if you've been a long time Spider-Man fan you know that things ALWAYS turn back around

I am quite aware of the strong work that other Marvel writers do. Bendis has done a bang up job on Ultimate Spider-Man as well as The Pulse and Alias. I was briefly reading Ed Brubakers lead into Uncanny (finishing up Claremont's run) and it was going quite fine. I even liked the way they gave Pyslocke a new power. But you now what...I don't care. I don't like the "house of ideas" right now. I'd rather watch them go bankrupt so I can have positive nostalgia about my childhood heros, than to just be some mindless person who reads whatever pile of s**t that Marvel peddles my way. Perhaps this is why DC/Image loyalists call Marvel fans, marvel zombies. Because apparently, most Marvel fans like to take it up the rear and say they enjoy it, in an utterly mindless yet devoted fashion.

Why commit yourself to crappy writing and management? If I buy other Marvel books, I might as well say that I like Joe Quesada running the show. And in all honesty, I don't. He can be a fantastic writer. I liked his run on Daredevil. He is a great artist...loved his variants for Wolverine Orgin. But he is horrible at guiding Marvel in the 21st century. Any of Marvels true success right now, rests upon Avi Arad. That man is on the grind to keep Marvel's hustle on the forefront. Sadly, he is not editor in chief. I can't say I hate Joe Quesada, because hate is not something I carry in my heart. But I am displeased to the nth degree. If you want to support piss poor marketing schemes and shoddy story lines purely for shock value, rather than intruige, then be my guest sir.

 

[CConn]

The thing is though, you're not just punishing Quesada. You're punishing scores of good writers, and good artists who turn out great comics every week. Great comics you won't read simply because you don't like the company logo on the cover.

After seeing good - no, great - books like Runaways, Marvel Team-Up, and The Thing get cancelled due simply to poor sales, I must say, IMO, what you're proposing is just as bad as being a "Marvel Zombie".

 

[shinlyle]

I LOVED the clone saga and have ALWAYS and STILL believe that Ben Reilly is the one true Spider-Man.

No he's not...he's the one true dust-bunny. He's the only character in Spider-Man history to be decisively killed three times in one issue.

Still, Ben had his good moments. I liked the issue with him and Daredevil teaming up. I also liked the issue where Peter had to save Ben from the Sentinels while his powers were barely working. I also like three other moments I previously mentioned....

 

[freemadison]

I LOVED the clone saga and have ALWAYS and STILL believe that Ben Reilly is the one true Spider-Man.

WOOOOOOO!