Comics Do you like the unmasking....THE POLL

[Chris Wallace]

Dude, that's NOTHING like what I'm saying. No one voted Joe Quesada into the Editor In Chief position. Maybe people at the COMPANY did so, but I don't recall them letting fans have a say in the matter.

If he doesn't like what is going on with Spider-Man, I can't help that. So, he dropped all Spidey titles, which many around here have claimed to as well. I just don't see missing out on the other plethora of great Marvel titles because he's upset with Quesada's decisions on Spider-Man.

I might understand things a little better if practically ALL of Marvel's books were of poor quality and there was nothing worthwhile in any of them, but that's not the case. And you've said it yourself, you're unhappy with the state of Spider-Man on the same level as Arach Knight but you're still reading the other Marvel titles that you still find enjoyment in.

And as I stated already in the thread, I'm glad that Arach Knight has a strategy in place and I wish him luck in his boycott, but I also feel bad for the great writers and artists at Marvel who put out the quality work that people ask for and he's missing out on it. In ways, yeah, I feel sorry for the dude to miss out on that stuff because he's got a jones to kick Quesada out.



I do respect him for sticking to his guns. I said it in a post earlier and just in this one. There are a ton of great Marvel titles being put out each and every month that AREN'T Spider-Man...it's just my feelings and opinions on the matter that get in the way. I just can't fathom missing out on great books like Captain America, Daredevil, Runaways, Punisher, Ultimates 2, Ultimate Spider-Man, She-Hulk, Marvel Team Up (though it's cancelled next month), and I'm sure others can note great quality stuff...because I'm mad at Quesada for what he's done with Spider-Man. First off, I guess it would help if I were angry about the state of Spider-Man. I was tiffed at Sins Past and The Other..and the whole organic webbing deal, but other than that I'm rather content with Spider-Man. So, once again, in certain ways it is difficult for me to share the feelings of Arach Knight.

Whoa, whoa, whoa-you defend the unmasking, the @$$-kissing & the sidekick suit but ORGANIC WEBBING bothers you?

 

[shinlyle]

Dude, that's NOTHING like what I'm saying. No one voted Joe Quesada into the Editor In Chief position. Maybe people at the COMPANY did so, but I don't recall them letting fans have a say in the matter.

If he doesn't like what is going on with Spider-Man, I can't help that. So, he dropped all Spidey titles, which many around here have claimed to as well. I just don't see missing out on the other plethora of great Marvel titles because he's upset with Quesada's decisions on Spider-Man.

I might understand things a little better if practically ALL of Marvel's books were of poor quality and there was nothing worthwhile in any of them, but that's not the case. And you've said it yourself, you're unhappy with the state of Spider-Man on the same level as Arach Knight but you're still reading the other Marvel titles that you still find enjoyment in.

See, I can live with it if the Spider-Man titles have a few good issues that I miss because I disagree witht he current direction. That's what back issues are there for. Some books, such as Daredevil, Punisher, Runaways and the like, I really WANT to know what's going to happen next. Missing an issue here or there of those books would REALLy suck. Spidey....I could care less. Also, so long as the friendly folk at my LCS let me read the issues and not buy them, I'm fine.

As for Arach Knight, I hope he makes the difference he woshed to make, but if Brubaker gets kicked off of Daredevil....I'll go shell on someone. That man was BORN to write DD, just as Ennis was BORN to write Punisher.

 

[SpideyInATree]

Whoa, whoa, whoa-you defend the unmasking, the @$$-kissing & the sidekick suit but ORGANIC WEBBING bothers you?

Yes, the addition of the organic webbing in the comics was complete useless and the storyline that caused it was rather crappy to mediocre. His webshooters were one of the most kick ass things about him, and it's too bad they ignore the Clone Saga because it would have been nice to see Pete using the impact webbing and web stingers against some of his opponents.

 

[Spydernorbs]

There that to be a way to kick Joey Q out of the office! He doesn't belong in that EIC chair.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Yes, the addition of the organic webbing in the comics was complete useless and the storyline that caused it was rather crappy to mediocre. His webshooters were one of the most kick ass things about him, and it's too bad they ignore the Clone Saga because it would have been nice to see Pete using the impact webbing and web stingers against some of his opponents.

I didn't mind the organic webbing. I don't really think it was that big a deal. Now Ben's gadgets were nice & Pete DID use them-against Black Tarantula. But compared to the developments that have come since, organic webbing does not bother me in the least.

 

[SpideyInATree]

I didn't mind the organic webbing. I don't really think it was that big a deal. Now Ben;s gadgets were nice & Pete DID use them-against Black Tarantula. But compared to the developments that have come since, organic webbing does not bother me in the least.

We're different people with different opinions.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Yeah but every now & then we meet in the middle.

 

[Arach Knight]

1)Organic webbing doesn't really seem out of place. In fact, it makes the most sense, that he should have spun webs naturally, since he was supposed to be a human spider. The only reason why Spider-Man didn't have natural webbing, is because Stan Lee felt it would be too scary (relative to those times) to have him actuall shoot webs from his wrists. So to allow him the gift of a spider's web, without making the character creepy, Stan thought up web shooters. Purely a convention of the era, rather than an actual character trait. It has just become a staple. If anything, he doesn't have to worry about switching cartridges, breaking a shooter, or any jamming from disuses. Since it is all natural, he can just go crazy with it. For that matter though, I do really miss the web shooters. It's a nostalgia thing.

2)Ed Brubaker and Garth Ennis are amazing writers. Marvel is filled with some amazing talent. They've even managed to snatch away two of DC's best (Michael Turner and Jeph Loeb). That doesn't completely change my current disdain with the way things are being handled at Marvel.

-Big events are quickly proving to be inconsequential. From the general feeling that House of M resulted in minimal impact in the Marvel Universe, as nobody seems to really care about all the dead mutants, nor the fact that reality was warped on them. The Other, was a story that did nothing other than serve it's own agenda, to further force bad ideas on the Spider-Man character. Morlun resurrected for no reason. The further inclusion of deities being a part of Peter's origin. It just goes on and on. I'm even getting the feeling now that Civil War won't leave much of a mark, six months from now when the new summer event arrives.

-Spider-Man has been manipulated in a gross fashion, that has consistently upset fans for over a year now. Unrelated powers, defiling the character of Gwen Stacy, Peter copping out on his own character traits. Quesada has made Spider-Man less likeable than he usually is, and he does it by turning normally brilliant writers (JMS) into his puppets and pawns, in his power trip on molding Spider-Man in the image he sees him. I can easily say that more bad ideas have happened in the Spidey books, within the past two years, than in any other period in Spider-Man history.

My efforts in the end however, are not done in the hopes of snowballing into some sort of movement against Marvel. I realize that most people are content with mediocrity in its various forms. Most people won't care enough to make an effort, even if they dislike what is happening. I choose to stop reading Marvel books, as my last resort as a consumer. It is a personal decision that reflects my tastes and my expectations. So I have no goal, other than to see myself highly entertained. I've taken sabaticals from comics before, though this is the first time I have acted out against a single company, rather than comic books in general. For what it is worth though, i've finally started to read a number of Batman/JLA and JSA stories that I have missed out on, and I can easily say that DC has me far more entertained these days. When Marvel returns to the quality I expect from them (they are my favorite company after all) then I will return to their books. In the mean time, other publishers have seen fit to keep me happy.

 

[Chris Wallace]

You may want to consider coming back, now that he's come to his senses. He's finally seeing Tony for the (see my sig) that he is.

 

[Crowforge]

Well it made me pick up the book...

 

[Chris Wallace]

The unmasking, you mean?

 

[ragdus]

Unmasking him essentially eliminated the Spider-man character altogether. It's now all about Peter Parker. There's no need to ever even wear the mask, let alone entire costume ever again unless it's for "fun"


One of the greatest things about this book was that this young selfless "kid" Peter did things above and beyond what anyone is ever asked to do, and he never took any credit for it. It was always Spider-mans credit. Time and again he passed up chances to exploit the character he created to his own personal advantage.

Duty. Honor. Self sacrifice.




Peter Parker just became a rock star and Spider-man just became irrelevant in his own book.

 

[Chris Wallace]

And he did it to gain the one thing that was never a priority with him: other people's approval. And now he regrets it. How can anybody respect him when he no longer respects himself?

 

[Crowforge]

Yeah, the unmasking got me to do a double take and enter the store, it had been a few years since I read comics.

 

[Arach Knight]

Funny how the unmasking made me stop buying Marvel comics, yet it brought somebody else in. I'm sure Joey Q must have a field day with the idea of something like that happening. As for Spidey vs. Iron Man..yeah I know it's happening. I visit a forum that scans recent events in comics. So I read over Amazing Spider-Man 535. I saw that he and Tony are about to do battle. I still don't want to come back to Marvel books. They have so much cleaning up to do...it's not even funny. Old suit, off the Avengers, undo the s****y new powers like stingers and talking to bugs. Out of the Avengers tower (well Tony's tower), and recover his identity. I don't see the last one happening anytime soon, unless belzebub goes shopping for ice skates in August.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Where the new powers are concerned, I figure they'll just fade into obscurity, like Chapter One & the Scarlet Spider's weapons. They've already stopped talking about them. Everything else-apart from the identity thing-is pretty much a given. And I just read Blade #1 (WHICH SUCKED, by the way) & although it takes place outside of any semblance of any known continuity, Blade was still referring to Spider-Man as "Parker". So that element, at least for the time being, is here to stay.

 

[Crowforge]

What weapons does the scarlet spider have?

 

[Chris Wallace]

"Stingers"-darts that cause temporary muscular paralysis, & "impact webbing"-pellets that grow to spread webbing over a target. Both of these were loaded into special compartments in the web shooter, & Spider-Man briefly took up these goodies after Scarlet Spider's death.

 

[Arach Knight]

1)Blade will be in continuity as of Feburary. Don't discount it so quickly (Yes even the stupid vampirism spidey). If you haven't done so, i suggest you review the Civil War checklist. It just got updated with thirteen or so, more books. it includees Blade now.

2)Scarlet Spider invited impact webbing, among other things. But it is inconsequential. Peter himself has crafted weapons and tools out of his webbing, on numerous occassion (including the famous yet malinged, web armor...which I believe was in Sensational Spider-Man #100...correct me if i'm wrong).

3)I never read Chapter One, but aftere hearing about it...Sandman being related to Norman Osborn just because they both have waves in their hair. Chapter One is such a horrible rip off of DC's Year One idea. I realize that Marvel and DC copy each other frequently (such as when DC copied the idea of the Ultimate line, by creating the All Star line)...but man...Chapter One is just bad...

 

[Chris Wallace]

It was WEB Of Spider-Man.
And Chapter One was far worse than a ripoff of anything. It was just stupid & ill-conceived. In it, Doc Ock, Peter & the spider were all caught in the same nuclear explosion. The burglar saw Spidey come out the window of the Parker house & that's why he decided to hit it. When Spidey caught up to him, the burglar asked him for help. Rather than Spidey figuring out that this was the guy who got by him at the studio, the burglar tells him. It was just bad, through & through.

 

[CTFFFan]

As I believe the unmasking will be temporary I don't mind it.

 

[Chris Wallace]

I've gotten a bit behind in my reading. Subsequently I just read the issue where Chameleon does something I hadn't thought about;

Spoiler

posing as Peter to get to May.

That's even more messed up & not far removed from what I was saying before. Unmasking doesn't protect his loved ones-it further endangers them.

 

[Doc_OCK_4MUGEN]

Yup! Unmasking is safe... No harm will come to your loved ones... wait it's biting you in the ass? NO **** Sherlock... I don't have to have superpowers to know that... It's official Peter Parker is an idiot, thanks to Joe Q and company...

 

[shinlyle]

I've gotten a bit behind in my reading. Subsequently I just read the issue where Chameleon does something I hadn't thought about;

Spoiler

posing as Peter to get to May.

That's even more messed up & not far removed from what I was saying before. Unmasking doesn't protect his loved ones-it further endangers them.

Don't feel bad, man. I'm still waiting to get some of my books from August.

Poverty's a b****.

 

[3dman27]

Yup! Unmasking is safe... No harm will come to your loved ones... wait it's biting you in the ass? NO **** Sherlock... I don't have to have superpowers to know that... It's official Peter Parker is an idiot, thanks to Joe Q and company...

what do they have against super heroes having secret identies in the first place