Comics Do you like the unmasking....THE POLL

[SpideyInATree]

How else are you supposed to get rid of the boss? If you want the boss gone, how do you get rid of him?

Please tell me, because I want to know. If you want a certain creator off of a certain book, you can stop buying the book, but if you want to change the EIC of a whole company, how do you do that without causing the company on a whole to drop in sales?

Well, as I said, it probably isn't going to solve anything. Say, in some kind of bizarro world, that Arach Knight orchestrates a mass boycott and the only people buying Marvel comics happens to be me and CConn. They'll kick out Joe Quesada, maybe, and put someone else in.

Who else are they going to put in the seat of Editor In Chief? Yeah, it could be someone who is "better" than Quesada. But, it could also be someone a WHOLE HELL OF A LOT WORSE. Would you rather have the devil you know or the devil that you don't know? What if Brian Michael Bendis was made editor in chief? Huh? How many people on these boards would have geek heart attacks? Because that's a possibility of happening whether people want to admit it or not.

People act like because Spider-Man isn't "going the way they want it to go" that Joe Quesada needs to go. Look at all the great talent that he's acquired to Marvel, the great work that's being done on A TON OF OTHER MARVEL books...but because he's "messing up Spider-Man" means that he needs to go.

Well, I do hope that your boycott works Arach Knight and Joe Quesada leaves so someone worse comes along and pisses you off even more. Me? I'm going to continue buying the material that I love, despite who is editor in chief.

 

[Arach Knight]

1)How long will it take before some other writer suggests a horrible idea for another book, and Quesada approves it? Thank God in Heaven, Quesada is magnatized to Spidey books right now. His "holy crusade" to correct his "problem" of being married and old, is destroying the best comic there was. The guy is literally dropping his pants and crapping all over Stan Lee's greatest creation. Come on...JMS did write Sins Past, but at least his version had the kids turning out to be Peters. But leave it to the king of Spidey-Rape-Fest, Quesada himself, to throw in his own little "surprise twist."

How many people complained about Grant Morrison turning the X-Men into the Matrix, complete with black leather coats? The best thing Quesada has done, is acquire Jeph Loeb, and getting Joe Mad to come out of hiding. Beyond that, he even managed to screw that up. He's putting Loeb on a Spider-Man book, which is great news. The crappy news? It's not even canon. It's a non-continuity book. The one man who could probably fix this sh**, and he doesn't even get the chance. Yeah...Quesada is doing a bang up job. I'd rather have Shooter back. At least Marvel books were better when Shooter was EIC (you may be too young to remember that).

2)My problems with Marvel are many fold. As I have stated before however, I am focusing on Spider-Man's problems, because this is a Spider-Man forum and a Spider-Man discussion. You don't bring up Jupiter when everybody else is talking about McDonalds. So why the hell would I bring up other stuff, when I am clearly discussing how the current state of Spider-Man, has caused me to abandon Marvel books.

3)You are understating Quesada's power in this company. There are good writers, and good books in Marvel, but Quesada really presses his weight on some of the writers, such as making JMS change his Sins Past story line. I'd say that's a safe bet on it mattering a great deal as to who is in the seat of power at Marvel.

You don't have to like me, agree with me or otherwise. Truth be told i'm mainly drilling the same points I have mentioned previously. But as long as you see fit to just battle me about this ad nauseum, i'm going to speak up about it. Do you have Marvel stock options? Is that it? Is that why you are deadset on showing me the magical error of my ways, so that I can come back to the light of Marvel???? Take my advice on this one sir. Give it up. You are wasting my time, your time, and the time of anybody else coming to contribute to this discussion. My mind is set, and my strategy is in place. When Marvel improves, i'll be back. In the mean time, I don't settle for second rate anything. Contrary to Mad TV's mantra, I am not a believer in lowered expectations...

 

[SpideyInATree]

Do I have stock options, haha. It's actually a good idea now that I think about it but no I don't. I believe in reading what you like. Obviously you are in the "pissed off" camp of Spider-Man fans, that's been stated. Do what you gotta do.

My main point was to offer other comic books out there that are of great quality in the writing department, art department, and gives an overall feeling that not EVERY comic in Marvel's stable is horrible simply because you've got a jones to kick Joe Quesada out of the editor in chief position.

Well, I'm glad that you've got your strategy placed and I really wish you well in missing out on good books because you dislike Joe Quesada's decisions on Spider-Man. And, yeah, this is a Spider-Man discussion forum. And Spider-Man is a Marvel comic. Joe Quesada is editor in chief of Marvel comics. I'm sorry but the conversation is going to branch out into other areas.

I know I'm not going to get you to buy any other Marvel comics, you're mind is quite made up. I just think you're going about it the complete wrong way is all.

 

[Arach Knight]

Given that this is merely a matter of opinion, there can not truly be a "right or wrong" approach to the matter. That being said however, I believe we can both come to agree to simply disagree. That would be the most respectful meas take. I do not know you much as a person, and I have no pergrudge against you. So rather than risk sarcraficing a more pleasurable experince or even a common grounds ally in future debates, we can just agree to leave things where they are at. As for me missing out on good books...partly yes and partly no. When I stopped reading Marvel the last time, I really only missed Onslaught, Heroes Reborn and a few things in X-Men (Rogues power changes, Jean and Scott breaking up). If those were the only serious things I missed during that five year absence, then I don't think I will miss much this time. However, I don't think it will take Marvel that long to fix things. At least I hope. I am always going to be a Spider-Man fan, so here is hoping for the wall crawlers return to better days.

 

[VICTORVONDOOMX]

TOTALLY OUT OF CHARACTER!!!

Only good thing so far in Civil War: (except for everything else Cap's said & done)
Cap: "How's Mary Jane like it now that Sandman's got her adress." (or something like that--sweet)

 

[Chris Wallace]

TOTALLY OUT OF CHARACTER!!!

Only good thing so far in Civil War: (except for everything else Cap's said & done)
Cap: "How's Mary Jane like it now that Sandman's got her adress." (or something like that--sweet)

That was a good line.
My main problem w/the whole Civil War storyline (and I expressed this in another thread but it bears repeating) is that the point is lost. By this I mean, what are they trying to accomplish? Do the pro-regs think they can convinve the anti-regs to sign up? Or do they plan on just throwing them all in jail regardless of their years of loyalty & friendship? Do the anti-regs hope to get the SHRA abolished? Or are they just going to rebel indefinitely? Why are they fighting? It would make more sense to me if the government just tried to hunt down the anti-regs WITHOUT the help of their own longtime allies.

 

[shinlyle]

Well, as I said, it probably isn't going to solve anything. Say, in some kind of bizarro world, that Arach Knight orchestrates a mass boycott and the only people buying Marvel comics happens to be me and CConn. They'll kick out Joe Quesada, maybe, and put someone else in.

Who else are they going to put in the seat of Editor In Chief? Yeah, it could be someone who is "better" than Quesada. But, it could also be someone a WHOLE HELL OF A LOT WORSE. Would you rather have the devil you know or the devil that you don't know? What if Brian Michael Bendis was made editor in chief? Huh? How many people on these boards would have geek heart attacks? Because that's a possibility of happening whether people want to admit it or not.

This is kind of like saying: "If you don't like the guy who is President,you should still vote for him, or else we might end up with someone worse."

I'm not going to boycott all of Marvel because I still enjoy a bit of it. USM, Ultimates 2, Runaways, Daredevil, Punisher MAX, Young Avengers, Spider-Girl and a few others are some of my favorites...but I'm not going to fault someone else for doing so. It's the most logical way to get rid of an EIC that you don't like.

If everyone quit buying Marvel comics for two months, every one of their titles, and then wrote in a letter (a real letter, not e-mail), the company would change the regime...that, or there would be some sort of shake-up.

When you severely injure a company's bottom line, they WILL respond.

Still, the likelihood of it ever happening isn't good.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Quite true.
You remember what I said about respecting SIAT for standing by his opinion? It seems he doesn't offer the same courtesy to us.
Nor it seems, do any of the other defenders.

 

[shinlyle]

Quite true.
You remember what I said about respecting SIAC for standing by his opinion? It seems he doesn't offer the same courtesy to us.
Nor it seems, do any of the other defenders.

Yeah. I know.

I have no problem with SiaT. Occasionally, he let something out that's witty anf funny....but I think he takes himself a little too seriously sometimes. In fact, I can't name anyone on these boards that I really, truly DON'T like. I disagree with a few people, but I still like them. Hell, anyone that actually follows comics is in my "cool book" nowadays...

 

[Chris Wallace]

Most of the people I've butted heads with I still consider myself to be cool with. In fact, most of the debates that I've had on these boards have been seen through to a peaceable conclusion. I like that. Reaching a middle ground makes it fun.

 

[shinlyle]

Most of the people I've butted heads with I still consider myself to be cool with. In fact, most of the debates that I've had on these boards have been seen through to a peaceable conclusion. I like that. Reaching a middle ground makes it fun.

For real. It'd always nice when two people with opposing viewpoints can reach a common ground or just agree to disagree.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Maybe that's why this discussion keeps getting so ugly; we can't seem to find a middle ground. And agreeing to disagree gets harder with every post.

 

[Eddie Brock]

Joey Q shouldn't be the editor
for that matter, he shouldn't be alive

 

[SpideyInATree]

This is kind of like saying: "If you don't like the guy who is President,you should still vote for him, or else we might end up with someone worse."

I'm not going to boycott all of Marvel because I still enjoy a bit of it. USM, Ultimates 2, Runaways, Daredevil, Punisher MAX, Young Avengers, Spider-Girl and a few others are some of my favorites...but I'm not going to fault someone else for doing so. It's the most logical way to get rid of an EIC that you don't like.

If everyone quit buying Marvel comics for two months, every one of their titles, and then wrote in a letter (a real letter, not e-mail), the company would change the regime...that, or there would be some sort of shake-up.

When you severely injure a company's bottom line, they WILL respond.

Still, the likelihood of it ever happening isn't good.

Dude, that's NOTHING like what I'm saying. No one voted Joe Quesada into the Editor In Chief position. Maybe people at the COMPANY did so, but I don't recall them letting fans have a say in the matter.

If he doesn't like what is going on with Spider-Man, I can't help that. So, he dropped all Spidey titles, which many around here have claimed to as well. I just don't see missing out on the other plethora of great Marvel titles because he's upset with Quesada's decisions on Spider-Man.

I might understand things a little better if practically ALL of Marvel's books were of poor quality and there was nothing worthwhile in any of them, but that's not the case. And you've said it yourself, you're unhappy with the state of Spider-Man on the same level as Arach Knight but you're still reading the other Marvel titles that you still find enjoyment in.

And as I stated already in the thread, I'm glad that Arach Knight has a strategy in place and I wish him luck in his boycott, but I also feel bad for the great writers and artists at Marvel who put out the quality work that people ask for and he's missing out on it. In ways, yeah, I feel sorry for the dude to miss out on that stuff because he's got a jones to kick Quesada out.

Quite true.
You remember what I said about respecting SIAC for standing by his opinion? It seems he doesn't offer the same courtesy to us.
Nor it seems, do any of the other defenders.

I do respect him for sticking to his guns. I said it in a post earlier and just in this one. There are a ton of great Marvel titles being put out each and every month that AREN'T Spider-Man...it's just my feelings and opinions on the matter that get in the way. I just can't fathom missing out on great books like Captain America, Daredevil, Runaways, Punisher, Ultimates 2, Ultimate Spider-Man, She-Hulk, Marvel Team Up (though it's cancelled next month), and I'm sure others can note great quality stuff...because I'm mad at Quesada for what he's done with Spider-Man. First off, I guess it would help if I were angry about the state of Spider-Man. I was tiffed at Sins Past and The Other..and the whole organic webbing deal, but other than that I'm rather content with Spider-Man. So, once again, in certain ways it is difficult for me to share the feelings of Arach Knight.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Joey Q shouldn't be the editor
for that matter, he shouldn't be alive

That's extreme.

 

[Eddie Brock]

That's extreme.

after what he's done with his power?
no thanks

 

[Sloth7d]

That's extreme.

Think so?
I thought he was being leniant.

 

[Eddie Brock]

Think so?
I thought he was being leniant.

quite right

 

[3dman27]

Bump

 

[SpideyInATree]

That's extreme.

Agreed. Can't fault some people around here wanting him dethroned of the editor in chief position but the guy doesn't deserve to die for his decisions on Spider-Man, sheesh.

 

[TheCaretaker]

i dont like it civil war could have been done without the unmasking of Spidey.

 

[Doc_OCK_4MUGEN]

He just deserves to have his life retconned just like he retconned spidey
But seriously, killing fat bastard won't solve anything... Retcon bombs on the other hand...

I see spidey now and all I feel is sadness... I've lost the feeling of joy whenever I used to see spidey... am I... a spidey fan no more??

 

[Sloth7d]

The unmasking could have been better.
I still don't agree with it, but they could have had an enemy unmask him on tv. Atleast he wouldn't have been mischaracterised.

 

[Chris Wallace]

i dont like it civil war could have been done without the unmasking of Spidey.

They did it for shock value. Gimmickry has taken the place of genuine storytelling. If I felt that the character/story could actually benefit from this, I wouldn't be so upset. I feel this is right up there w/the death of Superman, the devolved Wolverine & the crippled Batman.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Agreed. Can't fault some people around here wanting him dethroned of the editor in chief position but the guy doesn't deserve to die for his decisions on Spider-Man, sheesh.

Had to happen eventually.