Comics Do you like the unmasking....THE POLL

[SpideyInATree]

[sarcasm]For real...people making their distaste known about a certain storyline is sad and redundant! You should only be allowed to speak if you totally agree with what Marvel has done! LOLLAMOROTLOMG!!!![/sarcasm]

Hey, I didn't say it. Citizen Kaine said it, and I merely agreed. But to address your sarcasm...

[sarcasm] Yes, I love EVERYTHING Marvel does and play with Quesada's man boobs [/sarcasm]

Oh, but defending it over & over ISN'T sad or redundant?

No, it's not. Because I've got 4 or 5 different posters questioning valid reasons. I gave them. Nobody agrees with them, end of story. And I'm not defending anything but my own enjoyment of something that is, obviously, not being enjoyed by the majority here.

 

[Chris Wallace]

No-actually you are defending the changes themselves. We say these things are out of character & unbecoming of Spider-Man, you say they're not. If you said they were but you still liked it, that would be defending your enjoyment.
And you keep insisting that your defenses are valid, we feel they don't hold water. It's that simple.

 

[SpideyInATree]

No-actually you are defending the changes themselves. We say these things are out of character & unbecoming of Spider-Man, you say they're not. If you said they were but you still liked it, that would be defending your enjoyment.
And you keep insisting that your defenses are valid, we feel they don't hold water. It's that simple.

I'm not defending changes. I was defending my enjoyment of the current unmasking storyline and, what you just pointed out, that Peter Parker isn't out of character. Which he isn't, in my opinion. I think it's as plain as day but most everyone here is too upset with things.

I know you don't think they hold water. I noticed that.

 

[Chris Wallace]

See, here's where it's out of character. In the wake of everything that's ever happened to him, it'd be stupid to go public. Regardless of who asked him. Regardless of any new law. He's suffered too much at the hands of the scant few who know who he is. Knowing how that information has been exploited by the likes of Norman Osborn & Miles Warren, having seen the hell Matt Murdock is going through, unmasking is a very stupid move. Giving the bad guys what they want is stupid. Thinking it won't be open season on him, May & MJ is stupid. Thinking JJJ won't do everything in his power to ruin him is stupid. Thinking Iron Man can protect him from the repurcussions of his unveiling is stupid. He's never been a stupid person. So doing something this stupid is out of character. It'd be like Reed Richards not being able to solve a math problem or Tony not knowing how to balance a checkbook. Smart people doing galactically stupid things is out of character. Period.

 

[SpideyInATree]

See, here's where it's out of character. In the wake of everything that's ever happened to him, it'd be stupid to go public. Regardless of who asked him. Regardless of any new law. He's suffered too much at the hands of the scant few who know who he is. Knowing how that information has been exploited by the likes of Norman Osborn & Miles Warren, having seen the hell Matt Murdock is going through, unmasking is a very stupid move. Giving the bad guys what they want is stupid. Thinking it won't be open season on him, May & MJ is stupid. Thinking JJJ won't do everything in his power to ruin him is stupid. Thinking Iron Man can protect him from the repurcussions of his unveiling is stupid. He's never been a stupid person. So doing something this stupid is out of character. It'd be like Reed Richards not being able to solve a math problem or Tony not knowing how to balanmce a checkbook. Smart people doing galactically stupid things is out of character. Period.

The bolded part is merely just your opinion. The superhuman registration act is a lot bigger than people seem to think that it is. 600 innocent people died in that explosion in Connecticut, most children since it was near a school. Heroes Peter has teamed with were on the location, heroes that he can see in himself in certain ways.

As a hero who has always been under scrutiny there is that responsibility thing riding on his shoulders.

And Aunt May made very good points to him as to why he should have done it many, many, many years ago. Whether you agree she was in character or not is a matter of opinion as well.

Regardless of whether he revealed his identity or not villains are always going to find a way to figure out who he is and get to the ones that he loves.

We're just repeating the same crap we just said earlier in this thread anyhow.

 

[freemadison]

Excuse me...

Is this the Most Annoying Recent Change thread?

No?....hmmm.....I think I'm lost.

 

[Chris Wallace]

The Registration Act ain't gonna change a damn thing. It's a bunch of bull. Another case of the government throwing legislation at something to pacfy the angry parents. Again, cops & soldiers are trained & regulated. They make mistakes all the time. Innocent people die all the time. And they were killed by Nitro, not by any heroes. When trained, licensed, regulated agents of SHIELD tried to take Nitro down, they got the same results.
And he SHOULDN'T have gone public a long time ago. That was bull$h!t, too. There's just no logic to it. He deals with some sick people, who would gleefully blow up the Bugle, Midtown high, Aunt May's house (oh, wait-that happened!) his apartment (oh, wait-that happened!) the entire theater district, or half of Queens just because they thought it would bring him pain. And the supervillains (again) are NOT his biggest problem. They're not. Why? Because they are by nature theatrical & predictable. They go after his loved ones, but they do it in ways that he could possibly have a chance to save them. What he needs to worry about is some no-name two-bit thug who he's forgotten. Someone whose face DOESN'T stand out in a crowd. Who could disguise himself as a messenger or walk up to Aunt May in a supermarket & put two slugs in her head before she even knew what was happening. Would the unmasking seem like a good idea then?

 

[SpideyInATree]

The Registration Act ain't gonna change a damn thing. It's a bunch of bull. Another case of the government throwing legislation at something to pacfy the angry parents. Again, cops & soldiers are trained & regulated. They make mistakes all the time. Innocent people die all the time. And they were killed by Nitro, not by any heroes. When trained, licensed, regulated agents of SHIELD tried to take Nitro down, they got the same results.And he SHOULDN'T have gone public a long time ago. That was bull$h!t, too. There's just no logic to it. He deals with some sick people, who would gleefully blow up the Bugle, Midtown high, Aunt May's house (oh, wait-that happened!) his apartment (oh, wait-that happened!) the entire theater district, or half of Queens just because they thought it would bring him pain. And the supervillains (again) are NOT his biggest problem. They're not. Why? Because they are by nature theatrical & predictable. They go after his loved ones, but they do it in ways that he could possibly have a chance to save them. What he needs to worry about is some no-name two-bit thug who he's forgotten. Someone whose face DOESN'T stand out in a crowd. Who could disguise himself as a messenger or walk up to Aunt May in a supermarket & put two slugs in her head before she even knew what was happening. Would the unmasking seem like a good idea then?

The bolded, once again, is highly an opinion. Doesn't change a damn thing, huh? Well, before it everyone was getting along just fine, and now everyone is basically split down the middle. I'd call that a rather large change. And government throwing legislation to pacify angry parents? Yeah, of course that's what it was and it happens in real life all the time. Remember Columbine? How everyone blamed rock music, violent video games, and every other form of free speech they could dig their claws into except the way parents raise and pay attention to their children's activities?

And even if he didn't unmask through his entire career as a superhero, those places and those people could be attacked regardless. How many times has Peter Parker been put into danger by a villain using him, simply because he took pictures of Spider-Man. So, by this logic you have Peter, to save his oh so super special identity, should have stopped taking pictures of himself for money to protect it. But he didn't, he kept going because he needed money. Just like, through this registration act, the peoples lives lost, a request from a man who's treated him practically like a son, a slight push by his motherly figure, and his fellow peer of superheroes being at each others throats he felt he had to do what needed to be done.

How many times, through the series has Aunt May's life been in danger from a villain even when he wasn't unmasked? Doctor Octopus almost freakin' MARRIED HER! And he didn't even know Peter was Spider-Man, not even an INKLING during that time. Danger is always there, for MJ, for Aunt May. How many times has MJ been stalked by some regular lunatic because of her modeling and acting career? Danger there as well. There's danger no matter if he takes the mask off or leaves it on.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Y'know, if I was at a zoo & a lion stuck its paw out & took a swipe at me, I wouldn't ask them to let him out of his cage.
Body vests don't stop every bullet but I'll be damned if I'm gonna go into a firefight without one.
People die wearing seatbelts. People have gotten AIDS using condoms. Bikers die w/helmets on. Some hackers can get past firewalls & steal your information. But you know what? These are all in the minority. They are the exception, not the rule. Just because there's danger that might get at you despite the precautions you take DOESN'T MEAN YOU SHOULD ABANDON THE PRECAUTIONS.

 

[Sloth7d]

I'm not defending changes. I was defending my enjoyment of the current unmasking storyline and, what you just pointed out, that Peter Parker isn't out of character. Which he isn't, in my opinion. I think it's as plain as day but most everyone here is too upset with things.

I know you don't think they hold water. I noticed that.

No Spiderman is definately out of character.
One of the reasons I always liked Spiderman is that he always did what he felt was right. No matter how hard the consequences of his choice hit him. Spiderman is all about responsibility. He always felt he had to do the right thing even at his own sacrifice and he's always been that way since his uncles death.
So for him to knowingly jeopordise his loved ones safety by unmasking is irresponsible on his part. He's faught so hard to prevent the mistake of being responsible for a loved one death again, like Gwen Stacy and Ben Parker.
So in all reality he would never increase the oppurtunity for it to happen again by unmasking.

 

[SpideyInATree]

Y'know, if I was at a zoo & a lion stuck its paw out & took a swipe at me, I wouldn't ask them to let him out of his cage.

Good for you. t:

 

[SpideyInATree]

No Spiderman is definately out of character.
One of the reasons I always liked Spiderman is that he always did what he felt was right. No matter how hard the consequences of his choice hit him. Spiderman is all about responsibility. He always felt he had to do the right thing even at his own sacrifice and he's always been that way since his uncles death.
So for him to knowingly jeopordise his loved ones safety by unmasking is irresponsible on his part. He's faught so hard to prevent the mistake of being responsible for a loved one death again, like Gwen Stacy and Ben Parker.
So in all reality he would never increase the oppurtunity for it to happen again by unmasking.

And even if he chose not to unmask and go anti-registration his loved ones are still in danger, and so would he. And he is under the notion of what he did was the right thing, and the story isn't even half way through yet, there is still a lot of ground to cover as to what he thought was the right thing and the wrong thing.

After hearing that 600 people died at, albeit the hands of a known supervillain, it was still caused to escalate by his fellow heroes, The New Warriors. And those innocent people, and their families suffered. While Peter Parker always wants to protect his family, he also sacrifices himself for the greater good if innocent people who he doesn't want to see go through the same things that he has.

He feels, right now, that he's doing the right thing. As I said, the story isn't over, so keep reading and you might get what you want.

 

[Chris Wallace]

No Spiderman is definately out of character.
One of the reasons I always liked Spiderman is that he always did what he felt was right. No matter how hard the consequences of his choice hit him. Spiderman is all about responsibility. He always felt he had to do the right thing even at his own sacrifice and he's always been that way since his uncles death.
So for him to knowingly jeopordise his loved ones safety by unmasking is irresponsible on his part. He's faught so hard to prevent the mistake of being responsible for a loved one death again, like Gwen Stacy and Ben Parker.
So in all reality he would never INCREASE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR IT TO HAPPEN AGAIN by unmasking.

This is my main argument right here. Nothing can erase the memory of holding Gwen's limp, lifeless body in his arms. And he told the cops "Spider-Man killed her", because in his mind that was the reason she died. He never got over that & I don't think he'd get over it if it happened to MJ & if it did happen to MJ it would truly be his fault. I think he would sooner throw his costume into a wood chipper than go through that again.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Yeah, of course that's what it was and it happens in real life all the time. Remember Columbine? How everyone blamed rock music, violent video games, and every other form of free speech they could dig their claws into except the way parents raise and pay attention to their children's activities?

Hence, "another case of government throwing legislation at something to pacify angry parents." If anything, they should be cracking down on supervillains. Why isn't there a nationwide manhunt for Nitro? Why make it harder for the only people who could dtop him to do their jobs? Why not drag his sorry ass in front of a camera & make an example of him? Why was Wolverine the only person who seemed interested in him at all?

 

[Sloth7d]

And even if he chose not to unmask and go anti-registration his loved ones are still in danger, and so would he. And he is under the notion of what he did was the right thing, and the story isn't even half way through yet, there is still a lot of ground to cover as to what he thought was the right thing and the wrong thing.

After hearing that 600 people died at, albeit the hands of a known supervillain, it was still caused to escalate by his fellow heroes, The New Warriors. And those innocent people, and their families suffered. While Peter Parker always wants to protect his family, he also sacrifices himself for the greater good if innocent people who he doesn't want to see go through the same things that he has.

He feels, right now, that he's doing the right thing. As I said, the story isn't over, so keep reading and you might get what you want.

Yeah we all know he's going to defect. Doesn't change the fact that he should have never been pro-reg in the first place.
And if he went anti-reg his loved ones would have been in no danger. Seeing as they serve as no accomplises to his actions. Plus Tony promised to take care of them despite his descision. Thats why he was planning on ditching town and seperating all contact with them.
I'll also mention that he never went to the pro reg side because it was the right thing to do. He did it because it was the lawful thing to do and he felt backed into a corner.

 

[SpideyInATree]

Hence, "another case of government throwing legislation at something to pacify angry parents." If anything, they should be cracking down on supervillains. Why isn't there a nationwide manhunt for Nitro? Why make it harder for the only people who could dtop him to do their jobs? Why not drag his sorry ass in front of a camera & make an example of him? Why was Wolverine the only person who seemed interested in him at all?

They're cracking down on all people with enhanced powers. Both villains and heroes.

 

[Chris Wallace]

BULL. The villains are being given a free pass. Do you read Thunderbolts?

 

[Chris Wallace]

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[Sloth7d]

Hence, "another case of government throwing legislation at something to pacify angry parents." If anything, they should be cracking down on supervillains. Why isn't there a nationwide manhunt for Nitro? Why make it harder for the only people who could dtop him to do their jobs? Why not drag his sorry ass in front of a camera & make an example of him? Why was Wolverine the only person who seemed interested in him at all?

I was also surprised that only Wolverine was interrested in Nitro actions.
Yet noone else, save the atlanteans, cared. Not even Cap went searching, but his hands were tied so thats reasonable.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Yeah we all know he's going to defect. Doesn't change the fact that he should have never been pro-reg in the first place.
And if he went anti-reg his loved ones would have been in no danger. Seeing as they serve as no accomplises to his actions. Plus Tony promised to take care of them despite his descision. Thats why he was planning on ditching town and seperating all contact with them.
I'll also mention that he never went to the pro reg side because it was the right thing to do. He did it because it was the lawful thing to do and he felt backed into a corner.

True. He's been beating himself up ever since.

 

[Chris Wallace]

I was also surprised that only Wolverine was interrested in Nitro actions.
Yet noone else, save the atlanteans, cared. Not even Cap went searching, but his hands were tied so thats reasonable.

And the only reason the Atlanteans got involved is b/c he took one of their own.

 

[SpideyInATree]

Yeah we all know he's going to defect. Doesn't change the fact that he should have never been pro-reg in the first place.
And if he went anti-reg his loved ones would have been in no danger. Seeing as they serve as no accomplises to his actions. Plus Tony promised to take care of them despite his descision. Thats why he was planning on ditching town and seperating all contact with them.
I'll also mention that he never went to the pro reg side because it was the right thing to do. He did it because it was the lawful thing to do and he felt backed into a corner.

No danger huh? I doubt that highly. If Spider-Man would have went anti-registration, no matter what Stark said, he'd have used Aunt May and Mary Jane against Peter to get him to come in. And if he would have gotten his family out of there, what kind of life would they have anyway? On the run? Hiding in one of Nick Fury's super secret hideouts? Peter wouldn't want his family to have that kind of life because he felt it was the "right thing" not to sign up for a registration act.

He felt it was the lawful thing to do and that it was what was right, or else he wouldn't have done it. And Tony Stark hooking him up with a nice place to live, cool new digs, and a sweet job had a little something to do with it, but that's all part of the big picture of the story.

 

[SpideyInATree]

BULL. The villains are being given a free pass. Do you read Thunderbolts?

No, but villains were being rounded up in Frontline.

 

[Sloth7d]

No danger huh? I doubt that highly. If Spider-Man would have went anti-registration, no matter what Stark said, he'd have used Aunt May and Mary Jane against Peter to get him to come in. And if he would have gotten his family out of there, what kind of life would they have anyway? On the run? Hiding in one of Nick Fury's super secret hideouts? Peter wouldn't want his family to have that kind of life because he felt it was the "right thing" not to sign up for a registration act.

He felt it was the lawful thing to do and that it was what was right, or else he wouldn't have done it. And Tony Stark hooking him up with a nice place to live, cool new digs, and a sweet job had a little something to do with it, but that's all part of the big picture of the story.

Read Amz #534 he saids he's stuck between whats lawful and what is right.
And you still haven't presented how MJ and his aunt would be in danger. Stark might use them to get to him, but he wouldn't hurt or arresst them.
Eitherway, he's too trusting to think Stark would do that anyway. He's still out of character. Especially because he not only unmasked himself but assissted the capekillers in fighting other heroes he once looked up to. The battle even lead to the death of one of the anti's.
Also,if he was anti-reg it would have lead to greater stories than this foolish unmasking business IMO. Spiderman helping the innocent despite what the law saids>Spiderman taking down heroes because the law saids so.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Read Amz #534 he saids he's stuck between whats lawful and what is right.
And you still haven't presented how MJ and his aunt would be in danger. Stark might use them to get to him, but he wouldn't hurt or arresst them.
Eitherway, he's too trusting to think Stark would do that anyway. He's still out of character. Especially because he not only unmasked himself but assissted the capekillers in fighting other heroes he once looked up to. The battle even lead to the death of one of the anti's.
Also,if he was anti-reg it would have lead to greater stories than this foolish unmasking business IMO. Spiderman helping the innocent despite what the law saids>Spiderman taking down heroes because the law saids so.

Agreed.
And in T-Bolts, villains who register & agree to help round up the anti-regs are given full amnesty for their past crimes. Of course, Zemo is exploiting this to his own ends. But that's still bull$h!t. Put protectors of the public in jail & reward the guys they were protecting the public from?