World Doc Ock's Lair v2

[Chris Wallace]

And no gratuitous attempts at realism.

 

[The Joker]

I recently re-read the original Return of the Sinister Six arc from Michelinie and Larsen. Some of the dialogue is cheezy enough to make you cringe, but the story builds up well, has a great ending, and is fun throughout. No contrived attempts to be grim-n-gritty, no agenda driven crap or trying-desperately-to-be-hip self aware deconstruction nonsense. Just a kick butt entertaining superhero story, with Ock at his manipulative peak. And best of all: no Wolverine.

One of my favorites. There's even a cool sub plot in it with MJ and a psycho stalker that's really entertaining.

 

[brianbuck]

One of my favorites. There's even a cool sub plot in it with MJ and a psycho stalker that's really entertaining.

Didja notice how Hal McGee (the Secret Hospital director) bears a striking resemblance to Guy Gardner?

 

[brianbuck]

Killer Doc Ock tribute video. Dig it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0tudXkZpno&feature=fvsr

 

[The Joker]

Didja notice how Hal McGee (the Secret Hospital director) bears a striking resemblance to Guy Gardner?

I never noticed that before. Good catch.

I was more enamored with Ock's general awesomeness, and how he treated Sandman like crap:

Killer Doc Ock tribute video. Dig it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0tudXkZpno&feature=fvsr

I've seen that one before. Great vid. SSM Doc Ock, even though the show only lasted 2 seasons, really got to shine, and have some of his best stories like the Sinister Six, Master Planner, and Gang War arcs adapted brilliantly.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ That was always one of my favorite scenes from the Return of The Sinister Six arc. Ock pretty much made Sandman look like a wimp, lol.

 

[Chris Wallace]

One of my favorites. There's even a cool sub plot in it with MJ and a psycho stalker that's really entertaining.

I forgot all about that.

 

[Hobgoblin]

I gotta say, this decrepit, near cadaverous Ock is the most interesting he has been to me. His body is useless now, but the sheer loathing that he emanates in disgust by his condition is fascinating to watch. He truly is disgusted at the idea of a world without Otto Octavius and if it must happen, he will make his death as painful for the world as it is for his own monumental ego. The image of a near lifeless body hanging by his tentacles and his voice being transmitted by an electronic device makes a hell of a visual. Despite it all, his mind is as dangerous as ever. Maybe even more so by the sheer desperation of his situation. He's been stripped to his core, and it is vile.They should have written him that way years ago.

I am now an Ock fan.

 

[socool]

I gotta say, this decrepit, near cadaverous Ock is the most interesting he has been to me. His body is useless now, but the sheer loathing that he emanates in disgust by his condition is fascinating to watch. He truly is disgusted at the idea of a world without Otto Octavius and if it must happen, he will make his death as painful for the world as it is for his own monumental ego. The image of a near lifeless body hanging by his tentacles and his voice being transmitted by an electronic device makes a hell of a visual. Despite it all, his mind is as dangerous as ever. Maybe even more so by the sheer desperation of his situation. He's been stripped to his core, and it is vile.They should have written him that way years ago.

I am now an Ock fan.

When you put it that way, I am too.

Others may not think the same

 

[brianbuck]

I have to admit, even though I'm not regularly reading comics these days, I am warming up to the Keith Richards incarnation of Doctor Octopus. I'll probably pick up Big Time when the trade is released.

I'd still like to see Ock cured and back in the armani suit. I just think it sould take a while for him to find a cure.

 

[Chris Wallace]

I was skeptical at first. But I'm with buck. Let's enjoy this take on him for now, but hope that he gets restored to his former glory.

 

[brianbuck]

I want to see him back to normal, but I don't want it to just happen. It should be a heavy-duty multi part story arc. I'd have Otto abduct Captain America, Nick Fury and Wolverine(for no other reason than to see Otto kick the crap out of him) to see if their respective enhancements/mutations might be able to cure him and take the story from there.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Sometimes the journey back or justification for going back is worse than what they're trying to come back from. Case in point: much as I hated Spidey's identity being a matter of public record, it wasn't worth "One More Day" to get that genie back in the bottle.

 

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

 

[brianbuck]

Sometimes the journey back or justification for going back is worse than what they're trying to come back from. Case in point: much as I hated Spidey's identity being a matter of public record, it wasn't worth "One More Day" to get that genie back in the bottle.

Agreed. I think the best way to go about curing Ock would be for him to engage in a long struggle to find it. And once he does, it shouldn't work instantly, but take time to have an effect. The man is dying of radiation poisoning after all. I personally would use a diluted mixture of the Green Goblin formula, just as an excuse to put Doc Ock up against the Green Goblin.

 

[The Joker]

That's the great thing about Ock, they can try some different things with his character like this and it works. It's a very interesting direction to take him, it makes sense, and it doesn't feel contrived. The sign of a versatile character.

 

[brianbuck]

That's the great thing about Ock, they can try some different things with his character like this and it works. It's a very interesting direction to take him, it makes sense, and it doesn't feel contrived. The sign of a versatile character.

You've just explained one of many reasons why I think it's Otto Octavius, and not Norman Osborn, who deserves the title of Spider-Mans' arch-enemy. The Green Goblin was dead for 20 years while Ock was plotting mass murder, fighting in the Secret Wars and invading other dimensions (for more mass murder!). Osborn is a pretender to the throne, far as I'm concerned.

 

[Chris Wallace]

they both have their place. Which one I consider truly worth of the title often depends on the story or my mood.

 

[brianbuck]

they both have their place. Which one I consider truly worth of the title often depends on the story or my mood.

I never considered the Green Goblin to be Spidey's arch-foe. Even back when I was a teen in the 80's I was glad that the Goblin was dead. He seemed like such a minor villain even though he killed Gwen. It was like they gave one big story to this hokey, over-the-top bad guy. And I dislike him now because his status in the upper echelon of Marvel's villains is the result of editorial mandate. It feels totally forced and false.
The Hobgoblin (Kingsley) was a much more interesting character.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

they both have their place. Which one I consider truly worth of the title often depends on the story or my mood.

Both are on my top 5 greatest Spidey Villians of all time list, but I think the Green Goblin wins by half of a second. He just caused so much pain to Spidery and tormented him over the years. No other Villian has caused him so much pain.

 

[BizarroAids]

Good ole' Doc Ock gets his time in the spotlight in the Marvel Pinball game on XBL/PSN. He's the second level of the Spider-Man game, the first level belongs to Goblin.

But, he's in his classic green outfit, with bowl cut and shades.

 

[The Joker]

I saw that, dude. It looks great. Mysterio is in it, too.

I posted this in the movie forum, but it definitely deserves a place here, too.

I recently dug out a Doc Ock comic book I haven't read in YEARS! Hence why I never copped this before because I had completely forgotten about it. But it seems Raimi took more inspiration from the comics regarding Doc Ock's storyline than we give him credit for.

Observe:

What do we take from this? Well:

1. Doc Ock's tentacles reacting against a threat even when Ock's unconscious. Obviously it's not A.I. but the principle is the same.
2. Ock's reactor going haywire, and the whole city is in danger from it.
3. Spidey needs Ock to stop the reactor, and he does. Obviously the key difference here is Ock is stopping it for selfish reasons to save his own butt, but again you can see the inspiration Raimi got from it here.
4. Ock refers to the reactor as "his dreams"
5. Ock's lair collapses afterward because he destroyed it, and he's assumed dead.

Now I am one of the most die hard Doc Ock fans around, and even I didn't know the extent to which the comic books inspired some of the plot points for Doc Ock in Spider-Man 2.

My respect for Raimi and fan love for Spider-Man 2 just went up several notches

 

[brianbuck]

I have that issue, believe it or not, it was a one shot fill in between creative teams, if I remember correctly.

 

[Chris Wallace]

I saw that, dude. It looks great. Mysterio is in it, too.

I posted this in the movie forum, but it definitely deserves a place here, too.

I recently dug out a Doc Ock comic book I haven't read in YEARS! Hence why I never copped this before because I had completely forgotten about it. But it seems Raimi took more inspiration from the comics regarding Doc Ock's storyline than we give him credit for.

Observe:

What do we take from this? Well:

1. Doc Ock's tentacles reacting against a threat even when Ock's unconscious. Obviously it's not A.I. but the principle is the same.
2. Ock's reactor going haywire, and the whole city is in danger from it.
3. Spidey needs Ock to stop the reactor, and he does. Obviously the key difference here is Ock is stopping it for selfish reasons to save his own butt, but again you can see the inspiration Raimi got from it here.
4. Ock refers to the reactor as "his dreams"
5. Ock's lair collapses afterward because he destroyed it, and he's assumed dead.

Now I am one of the most die hard Doc Ock fans around, and even I didn't know the extent to which the comic books inspired some of the plot points for Doc Ock in Spider-Man 2.

My respect for Raimi and fan love for Spider-Man 2 just went up several notches

I was SO gonna paste these pages in this thread. You beat me to it.

 

[The Joker]

Well, look who's going to be in Iron Man:

http://marvel.com/images/gallery/artist/85/images_featuring_salvador_larroca/image/849004


And I've heard whispers that

Spoiler

Tony Stark ends up curing Ock!