World Doc Ock's lair

[Duskbyday]

Courtesy of Yours Truly spending a few minutes on icanhascheezburger.com:

LOL, tht is so true MP!

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Originally Posted by The Master Planner
Courtesy of Yours Truly spending a few minutes on icanhascheezburger.com:

Awesome!

 

[Chris Wallace]

I like it very much, except for the purple background and Otto's outfit and hair, which reminds me of the Out of Reach storyline

I was trying to keep it up-to-date, & I drew it not long after said storyline.

 

[brianbuck]

I gave up on being a purist years ago. There's no true consistent continuity anymore. And I wonder if there should be. If you have a really good story idea, but it conflicts with the events in something that somebody wrote 40 years ago, should you be forced to scrap the idea or tailor it to meet that story's events?

A truly talented and competent writer can, and will, do both. Geoff Johns is a perfect example.

 

[brianbuck]

You know, I'm wondering if Ock is going to take a cue from Carlyle and, in addition to adding two new tentacles, he'll be adding a whole slew of new high-tech features to them as well. Carlyle's battlesuit was so powerful he was able to nearly defeat Otto. This, in spite of Ock's years of experience. Add Ock's experience with the capabilites of Carlyle's battlesuit and Spider Man is in serious trouble.

 

[SymbioticToxin]

Thank you, darling. But all I ask is that you reserve judgement until we get some pics of his new look. If it looks lame, we'll hunt down Joe Q down with pitchforks and flaming torches together.

I thought he already had a mob with pitchforks and torches after him with the Brand New Day stuff?

 

[Chris Wallace]

A truly talented and competent writer can, and will, do both. Geoff Johns is a perfect example.

I'm just saying, allow some wiggle room.

 

[brianbuck]

I'm more concerned with continuity of characterization then continuity of events per se. Over at DC, after Guy Gardner was brought back as a Green Lantern, there was an issue tied into Identity Crisis where Guy gave Wonder Woman a really hard time. It ignored the fact that, in earlier issues of Guy's since cancelled solo title, Diana was the first to give Guy the benefit of the doubt after he grew up and stopped acting like a psycho. As I read this scene with Guy totally disrespecting Diana I said to myself "This writer really needs to do his homework, Guy would never talk to Wonder Woman like this."
But, in the end, if continuity gets in the way it's best to just ignore it.

 

[Mutagen]

Some terrible continuities are irreversible, unless something gets truly astronomical and clever with the changes.

 

[brianbuck]

Ok, time for a new topic: Who in the Marvel Universe, other than Spider-Man, would you like to see Doc Ock up against? Either in a verbal/intimidating confrontation or an all out fight?
As for me, I'd love to see Otto stand up to either Doom or Magneto (it would be cool for Ock to reveal to Magneto that his arms are impervious to magnetism, as they are in SM2)
I'd also love to see Ock take on Norman Osborn.
And I'd looooooooooove to see Otto totally humiliate the overrated, overexposed Wolverine. Another rematch with The Hulk would be cool.

 

[Chris Wallace]

I'm more concerned with continuity of characterization then continuity of events per se. Over at DC, after Guy Gardner was brought back as a Green Lantern, there was an issue tied into Identity Crisis where Guy gave Wonder Woman a really hard time. It ignored the fact that, in earlier issues of Guy's since cancelled solo title, Diana was the first to give Guy the benefit of the doubt after he grew up and stopped acting like a psycho. As I read this scene with Guy totally disrespecting Diana I said to myself "This writer really needs to do his homework, Guy would never talk to Wonder Woman like this."
But, in the end, if continuity gets in the way it's best to just ignore it.

Agree in full.

 

[OctoHaz]

Oh, man. I have to write this down before I forget it completely. I just woke up from a Doc Ock dream. t:

It started with me, hubby, and some friends going to see a new Spiderman movie in this tiny hallway/hotel theater. Not a lot of people there. (And on the way I bought a Deadpool comic (I don't even like Deadpool, wtf brain) but was going to exchange it afterwards because the comic had a hole through it.

The movie started off well enough. Norman Osborn (played by a scarred up Willem Defoe) was back and a guy playing Panther Man was trying out some equipment of Osborn's, being recruited I s'pose. And I was all excited because Ock was supposed to return in this movie, so I was all bouncy.

Then the movie cut off and it was all dark and people were milling around in the hallway (there weren't any seats) going wtf. I was separated from hubby and looking for him.

And then Otto was there, in the crowd with us.

I didn't see him well, he was wearing the long coat and we all only saw a tentacle here and there. (He was being "played" by Alfred Molina only in the dream this wasn't fakery or acting, though for a while I thought it was.) People got panicky, but Otto just passed through us and out. And of course I followed him outside.

It was... early early morning, I think, dawn-ish.

Anyway, Otto realized that I was following him and he had this really hard, intense look on his face, and I stammered a lot going, basically "omg i am your biggest fan please don't kill me!" and he was, I dunno, gratified by the attention I s'pose. He was very movie-canon Otto but evolved to be closer to his comic book self. His glasses (which he wore sometimes and sometimes not -- I could see his eyes a lot) had greenish rims, and the jumpsuit/outfit and boots he had on were green too. Underneath a brown longcoat.

He showed me the improvements he made in his tentacles, and they looked a lot like that Alex Ross cover -- thinner than in Spiderman 2 but with the same claw structure... and he did this big reveal showing how there were six of them. I ohhed and ahhed and asked him a zillion questions and he, basically, showed off.

The new tentacles moved very sleekly, much more dexterously than in Spiderman 2, much more like living things -- organic though purely metal. Otto explained that they followed his will more closely... and he showed how they were able to extend reaaaally far and then retract to almost no length at all, for going incognito of course.

It was really, really cool-looking and awesome -- and of course I told him so. (I think I got to hug him, too, which is just my brain going Mary Sue all over the place, hahaha.)

I followed him back to his hideout (near a pier, go figure) and he had me make him breakfast while I pelted him with questions and all. Then things got hairy because my husband heart followed me, which of course Otto didn't like. He calmed down when I assured him that I didn't deliberately lead hubby to the hide-out and thankfully didn't get violent, either.

All through this, part of me marvelled at Molina's acting, because he struck just this right balance -- sometimes Otto would be utterly charming and affable, but then he'd switch and have the hardest, most intense look on his face that just made you know that he was a dangerous individual that could and would do dangerous things.

So hubby helped me make Otto breakfast, which took way too long because the little kitchen area was cramped and cluttered. Fortunately, Otto seemed untroubled by this -- I think he was busy with something outside. Finally it was done, however, and I took the plate and OJ outside, hubby following. Hubby'd reminded me that we had to go, so I told Otto this and he didn't mind and that's when I woke up.

He didn't ever treat me like his bestest friend. It was more like he accepted me as a loyal minion in the (now that I think about it) Caroline Trainer mode. Which, for me, totally fits.

And there you have it. My Doc Ock dream. True story.

 

[The Joker]

Haz, that is the craziest, most awesome dream ever! Cooking Ock breakfast after meeting him in a movie theatre.

LOL! And you were impressed by the Six tentacles look? Ooooh could that be a glimpse into the future? It's a shame you woke up when you did, as I was eager to know if Ock liked the breakfast you and your hubby cooked him lol.

Ok, time for a new topic: Who in the Marvel Universe, other than Spider-Man, would you like to see Doc Ock up against? Either in a verbal/intimidating confrontation or an all out fight?
As for me, I'd love to see Otto stand up to either Doom or Magneto (it would be cool for Ock to reveal to Magneto that his arms are impervious to magnetism, as they are in SM2)
I'd also love to see Ock take on Norman Osborn.
And I'd looooooooooove to see Otto totally humiliate the overrated, overexposed Wolverine. Another rematch with The Hulk would be cool.

I agree on all of those. Love to see Ock tackle all of those characters. But my number one pick would be Norman Osborn. He and Ock are the only two Spidey villains I personally consider A-list quality.

I'd love to see them have a story together where they collaborate and eventually fall out and have a confrontation. It boggles my mind as to why Marvel have never delivered such a story yet since Norman goe resurrected.

Btw, tomorrow we should have a Marvel solicitation for Amazing Spider-Man #600, complete with an official cover. Whooooo!!!

 

[The Master Planner]

Oh, man. I have to write this down before I forget it completely. I just woke up from a Doc Ock dream. t:

It started with me, hubby, and some friends going to see a new Spiderman movie in this tiny hallway/hotel theater. Not a lot of people there. (And on the way I bought a Deadpool comic (I don't even like Deadpool, wtf brain) but was going to exchange it afterwards because the comic had a hole through it.

The movie started off well enough. Norman Osborn (played by a scarred up Willem Defoe) was back and a guy playing Panther Man was trying out some equipment of Osborn's, being recruited I s'pose. And I was all excited because Ock was supposed to return in this movie, so I was all bouncy.

Then the movie cut off and it was all dark and people were milling around in the hallway (there weren't any seats) going wtf. I was separated from hubby and looking for him.

And then Otto was there, in the crowd with us.

I didn't see him well, he was wearing the long coat and we all only saw a tentacle here and there. (He was being "played" by Alfred Molina only in the dream this wasn't fakery or acting, though for a while I thought it was.) People got panicky, but Otto just passed through us and out. And of course I followed him outside.

It was... early early morning, I think, dawn-ish.

Anyway, Otto realized that I was following him and he had this really hard, intense look on his face, and I stammered a lot going, basically "omg i am your biggest fan please don't kill me!" and he was, I dunno, gratified by the attention I s'pose. He was very movie-canon Otto but evolved to be closer to his comic book self. His glasses (which he wore sometimes and sometimes not -- I could see his eyes a lot) had greenish rims, and the jumpsuit/outfit and boots he had on were green too. Underneath a brown longcoat.

He showed me the improvements he made in his tentacles, and they looked a lot like that Alex Ross cover -- thinner than in Spiderman 2 but with the same claw structure... and he did this big reveal showing how there were six of them. I ohhed and ahhed and asked him a zillion questions and he, basically, showed off.

The new tentacles moved very sleekly, much more dexterously than in Spiderman 2, much more like living things -- organic though purely metal. Otto explained that they followed his will more closely... and he showed how they were able to extend reaaaally far and then retract to almost no length at all, for going incognito of course.

It was really, really cool-looking and awesome -- and of course I told him so. (I think I got to hug him, too, which is just my brain going Mary Sue all over the place, hahaha.)

I followed him back to his hideout (near a pier, go figure) and he had me make him breakfast while I pelted him with questions and all. Then things got hairy because my husband heart followed me, which of course Otto didn't like. He calmed down when I assured him that I didn't deliberately lead hubby to the hide-out and thankfully didn't get violent, either.

All through this, part of me marvelled at Molina's acting, because he struck just this right balance -- sometimes Otto would be utterly charming and affable, but then he'd switch and have the hardest, most intense look on his face that just made you know that he was a dangerous individual that could and would do dangerous things.

So hubby helped me make Otto breakfast, which took way too long because the little kitchen area was cramped and cluttered. Fortunately, Otto seemed untroubled by this -- I think he was busy with something outside. Finally it was done, however, and I took the plate and OJ outside, hubby following. Hubby'd reminded me that we had to go, so I told Otto this and he didn't mind and that's when I woke up.

He didn't ever treat me like his bestest friend. It was more like he accepted me as a loyal minion in the (now that I think about it) Caroline Trainer mode. Which, for me, totally fits.

And there you have it. My Doc Ock dream. True story.

Tee-elle-dee-arr...

Nah, just kidding. If only I had dreams like that! Except, you know, I'd be Stunner.

 

[The Joker]

Amazing Spider-Man #600 stuff ahoy:

AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #600
Written by DAN SLOTT, STAN LEE
& THE REST OF SPIDEY'S WEB-HEADS
Pencils by JOHN ROMITA JR., MARCOS MARTIN,
MARIO ALBERTI & MORE!
50/50 Wraparound Cover by JOHN ROMITA JR.
50/50 Cover by ALEX ROSS
Variant Cover by JOHN ROMITA SR.
Wraparound Variant Cover by JOE QUESADA
The greatest Marvel super hero of all celebrates his 600th issue with the biggest all-original issue of Amazing Spider-Man EVER! This one's got it all! The return of Doctor Octopus, Daredevil, a wedding you never predicted, and the return of one of the most important people in Peter Parker's life in a giant-sized lead story by Dan Slott and John Romita Jr. Doc's back in town, but it's only a prelude to darker days ahead as Spidey unknowingly prepares for a gauntlet he can't even see coming.
On top of all that, witness the return of one of Spider-man's creators, Smilin' Stan Lee (along with Masticatin' Marcos Martin) as he presents a story of unbridled passion, drama and angst as Spidey reflects over his many, many years of adventures.
But that ain't all…as the rest of the Spidey Web-Heads bring you several short features showcasing some rarely explored aspects of both Spidey and Pete's life, drawn by some of the greatest artists in comics. Plus, several other surprises and NO REPRINTS! 104 pages of goodness brought to you by some of the best creators that have ever worked on Spidey!
104 PGS./All-New/Rated A …$4.99

Link: http://www.marvel.com/news/comicstories.7656.FIRST_LOOK~colon~_July_2009_Spider-Man_Comics


And now more tantalising snippets from Mr Slott about Ock in ASM #600 in his latest interview:

The next time “Amazing Spider-Man” fans go on a journey with Dan Slott will be the series mega-sized 600th issue, which features a story where Slott and John Romita, Jr. pit the Wallcrawler against his old foe, Doctor Octopus. “I've seen some of the covers for ‘Spidey’ #600 and they're beautiful. I can't wait for people to see them,” the writer said. “In ‘Spidey’ #600, you're going to get an enormous story all in one shot. No waiting for week one, week two, and week three. Just bam! A complete epic! And a ton of other all-new goodies. Steve Wacker is working overtime to make this the biggest damn comic on the racks. With this new Doc Ock story, one of my goals for Doctor Octopus is to elevate him to a Doctor Doom level threat. I want to get him up there with villains like Doom, the Red Skull and the Mandarin. I want to make him a big power player.”

Link: http://comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=20876

I am soooooooooooo hyped for this story!!! And I cannot wait to see these beautiful covers they're doing for the issue. I knew there would be variants. I hope some of them have Ock on them. What am I saying, of course they will!

It's all sounding great, my Ocklings

 

[The Master Planner]

And the coat. The coat is awesome too.

And the hair! Don't forget the hair! And the tentacles certainly have a freaky appeal to them too...

I don't think anyone's trying to argue with you about an octopus having eight arms.

This whole thing has me miffed because I honestly don't believe he needs the extra arms. He was already one of Spider-Man's most lethal foes...at least he used to be before they started dumbing him down. When they said they were going to raise him to Doctor Doom threat status, I assumed they were going to focus on his intellect. Have him cook up some brilliant and cunning scheme like the ones he used to but on a much larger scale.

This "upgrade" suggests to me that they're moving in exactly the opposite direction.

I don't believe he'd become significantly more deadly with two extra appendages, or four, or even six. No matter how much they decide to amp him up physically, Otto Octavius' deadliest weapon will always be his intellect. I just wish the writers at Marvel would remember that.

...But like I said before, if they do write him well I'll gladly look past the whole extra tentacle thing, same as how I managed to look past the mind-controlling tentacles and enjoy the movie.

This. I can't put my thoughts on it any better than this.

If looks mattered that much, Ultimate Ock would be my favorite incarnation of the character. Not the old, chubby man with a bowl cut.

As opposed to the young, muscular man with a bowl cut?

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

My god, Joker, that's incredible!!! It sounds llike Ock is making a huge com back.

 

[The Master Planner]

In my never-humble opinion, I want to see Otto more about schemes for power and riches than about revenge. Lately he's been a bit too off-the-wall-nuts for my taste, and too obsessed with revenge on Spider-Man. He needs to regard Spidey as just another meddling fool interfering with his brilliant plans, and leave the personal revenge stuff to the Green Goblin. (Nothing against Gobby, though.)

 

[The Navigator]

Ock needs to give Spidey a good b***h-slap. Nothing says nostalgia like beatdowns.

What a crazy dream, Haz. Cool, but nonsensical, the way the best dreams are. Like the one I had where I was on a road trip with Jack Nicholson and we stopped at a hotel lobby to play the arcade game Alien 3: The Gun.

And I love the sound of Otto becoming a Doom/Red Skull level antagonist. He's certainly capable, and it's about time. (I mean, wth, seventies, eighties, and nineties, you didn't even have GG around to steal his thunder)

 

[The Joker]

My god, Joker, that's incredible!!! It sounds llike Ock is making a huge come back.

I know, little buddy. And I cannot wait!!!

Slott threw in the names of other big guns like Red Skull and Mandarin with Doom's name as the threat level he wants to elevate Ock to.

Whoooo!!!

In my never-humble opinion, I want to see Otto more about schemes for power and riches than about revenge. Lately he's been a bit too off-the-wall-nuts for my taste, and too obsessed with revenge on Spider-Man. He needs to regard Spidey as just another meddling fool interfering with his brilliant plans, and leave the personal revenge stuff to the Green Goblin. (Nothing against Gobby, though.)

From the way Slott is talking I'd say you're going to get exactly that.

 

[Mutagen]

Oh, man. I have to write this down before I forget it completely. I just woke up from a Doc Ock dream. t:

It started with me, hubby, and some friends going to see a new Spiderman movie in this tiny hallway/hotel theater. Not a lot of people there. (And on the way I bought a Deadpool comic (I don't even like Deadpool, wtf brain) but was going to exchange it afterwards because the comic had a hole through it.

The movie started off well enough. Norman Osborn (played by a scarred up Willem Defoe) was back and a guy playing Panther Man was trying out some equipment of Osborn's, being recruited I s'pose. And I was all excited because Ock was supposed to return in this movie, so I was all bouncy.

Then the movie cut off and it was all dark and people were milling around in the hallway (there weren't any seats) going wtf. I was separated from hubby and looking for him.

And then Otto was there, in the crowd with us.

I didn't see him well, he was wearing the long coat and we all only saw a tentacle here and there. (He was being "played" by Alfred Molina only in the dream this wasn't fakery or acting, though for a while I thought it was.) People got panicky, but Otto just passed through us and out. And of course I followed him outside.

It was... early early morning, I think, dawn-ish.

Anyway, Otto realized that I was following him and he had this really hard, intense look on his face, and I stammered a lot going, basically "omg i am your biggest fan please don't kill me!" and he was, I dunno, gratified by the attention I s'pose. He was very movie-canon Otto but evolved to be closer to his comic book self. His glasses (which he wore sometimes and sometimes not -- I could see his eyes a lot) had greenish rims, and the jumpsuit/outfit and boots he had on were green too. Underneath a brown longcoat.

He showed me the improvements he made in his tentacles, and they looked a lot like that Alex Ross cover -- thinner than in Spiderman 2 but with the same claw structure... and he did this big reveal showing how there were six of them. I ohhed and ahhed and asked him a zillion questions and he, basically, showed off.

The new tentacles moved very sleekly, much more dexterously than in Spiderman 2, much more like living things -- organic though purely metal. Otto explained that they followed his will more closely... and he showed how they were able to extend reaaaally far and then retract to almost no length at all, for going incognito of course.

It was really, really cool-looking and awesome -- and of course I told him so. (I think I got to hug him, too, which is just my brain going Mary Sue all over the place, hahaha.)

I followed him back to his hideout (near a pier, go figure) and he had me make him breakfast while I pelted him with questions and all. Then things got hairy because my husband heart followed me, which of course Otto didn't like. He calmed down when I assured him that I didn't deliberately lead hubby to the hide-out and thankfully didn't get violent, either.

All through this, part of me marvelled at Molina's acting, because he struck just this right balance -- sometimes Otto would be utterly charming and affable, but then he'd switch and have the hardest, most intense look on his face that just made you know that he was a dangerous individual that could and would do dangerous things.

So hubby helped me make Otto breakfast, which took way too long because the little kitchen area was cramped and cluttered. Fortunately, Otto seemed untroubled by this -- I think he was busy with something outside. Finally it was done, however, and I took the plate and OJ outside, hubby following. Hubby'd reminded me that we had to go, so I told Otto this and he didn't mind and that's when I woke up.

He didn't ever treat me like his bestest friend. It was more like he accepted me as a loyal minion in the (now that I think about it) Caroline Trainer mode. Which, for me, totally fits.

And there you have it. My Doc Ock dream. True story.

Very interesting story, I wonder what it would be like to meet my comic idol...

 

[The Joker]

This is definitely one of variant covers for ASM #600:

 

[The Master Planner]

One new pic and an improved one:

 

[OctoHaz]

I kind of cobbled up a desktop wallpaper based off that ASM 600 cover: http://pics.livejournal.com/wow_hazmat/pic/000d87f0/

Enjoy.

 

[The Joker]

Well, I've got some news about the six tentacles thing. This is straight from Dan Slott himself:

Spoiler

Two of those tentacles are skrulls. So Ock still has his standard four tentacle quota.

Are we all happy now?

MP, I love the plushies. Haz, I've just got myself a new wallpaper