Doctor Who - Not a Hugging Type of Thread

[TheComicbookKid]

Maybe I just don't know enough about DW to feel like I don't know 12, but I feel like we have a very clear understanding of what he's about. He's scared, trying to redeem himself, which is why I think this one in particular is so anti-soldier (the soldier way is the "wrong way", "Do it right!"), and he has been humbled enough to question his own nature. Is he good?

I think the Doctor's question about is he a good man is very valid. How many people do I have to kill before I stop being a good man? Can I be Hitler, but as long as it's for the greater good, as long as I 'feel for' my victims, I'm a good guy? Also he's dealing with the idea that, without the guilt of Gallifrey, trying to redeem himself from that, how much of that compassion is gone. He's not trying to make up for anything, so at his core, when he's not trying to be a superhero to offset genocide... he's not wearing a mask anymore... is he really a good person?

I figured now would be a good time to bring back the Master. Have him f--k with the Doctor's head by telling him that passing the 13 regeneration is dangerous. That is part of what drove him insane. Whether or not it true doesn't matter.

Also withhold how he escaped wherever Gallifrey is.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

The Master should've undergone some growth as a character since End of Time.

He shouldn't be an outright villain, just a sort of snake, a voice of doubt in the Doctor's mind. Manipulating not to hurt the Doctor, but further his own cause (whatever that may be).

 

[THUNDERSTRIKE]

I always hated John Simm's Master being turned into a super-powered psychotic... I would've more preferred a Derek Jacobi Master...

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Hmm... People are talking about Missy being The Master, but what if she's another master? What if she's The Dream Master?

 

[TheComicbookKid]

Moffat said this season is about consequences so I think Missy is a consequence of rewriting history on such a large scale. That may be why Clara is so important.

The Master should've undergone some growth as a character since End of Time.

He shouldn't be an outright villain, just a sort of snake, a voice of doubt in the Doctor's mind. Manipulating not to hurt the Doctor, but further his own cause (whatever that may be).

I agree. With the sound of drums gone, I think the Master should be the opposing side of bringing Galifrey back. Casting doubt in the Doctor by telling him that the Time Lords know he will go insane with each regeneration. They just want him to get them out first.

 

[Jason Kane]

Missing Eppys and a new showrunner?

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2014/09/01/philip-morris-vs-steven-moffat-on-doctor-who-goes-public-and-will-anthony-horowitz-take-over-the-show/

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Maybe I just don't know enough about DW to feel like I don't know 12, but I feel like we have a very clear understanding of what he's about. He's scared, trying to redeem himself, which is why I think this one in particular is so anti-soldier (the soldier way is the "wrong way", "Do it right!"), and he has been humbled enough to question his own nature. Is he good?



[BLACKOUT]They fixed the memory-killing machine and gave the Dalek a chance to decide for itself. It latched onto the Doc's hatred. That was sad.[/BLACKOUT]

I think the Doctor's question about is he a good man is very valid. How many people do I have to kill before I stop being a good man? Can I be Hitler, but as long as it's for the greater good, as long as I 'feel for' my victims, I'm a good guy? Also he's dealing with the idea that, without the guilt of Gallifrey, trying to redeem himself from that, how much of that compassion is gone. He's not trying to make up for anything, so at his core, when he's not trying to be a superhero to offset genocide... he's not wearing a mask anymore... is he really a good person?

In regards to the blacked out portion: [BLACKOUT]I was referring to the Dalek race in general, not just Rusty. Now that the Doctor knows that the Daleks have been giving a strong artificial boost to their psychological state of belligerence, then I would hope he's planning on exploiting that. If he could find a way to deactivate that component in the entirety of the Dalek race, then he wouldn't have to contemplate mass genocide or the like for the race, now wouldn't he, and this whole "am I a good man" stuff might be moot, wouldn't you say? Cuz after all, without the influence of the component and without any other outside influence, like being soul linked to their most hated enemy like Rusty was, who knows how the Dalek race would go forward? It's better than destroying a whole species, though forgive me if I'm not a saint and think that, ya know, the living beings of the Universe might be better off without the Daleks. Put me down for one genocide if it meant the continued existence of everyone and everything, mostly because such an action is in no way analogous to anything in Hitler's warped, paranoid world view. The extinction of European Jews was not going to create a better, more just or peaceful society. The ending of the Daleks, because they are an actual threat to all of existence, WOULD be a boon to the sentient life forms of all the Universe and beyond.[/BLACKOUT]

 

[Doc Ock]

I'd like to see Toby Jones as the Dream Lord again...one of my favorite characters from 11's era. With new clothes to match 12's!

I figured now would be a good time to bring back the Master. Have him f--k with the Doctor's head by telling him that passing the 13 regeneration is dangerous. That is part of what drove him insane. Whether or not it true doesn't matter.

Also withhold how he escaped wherever Gallifrey is.

I would ADORE this.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

^Thanks for reminding me... I goofed before. The Dream Lord, not the Dream Master. Anyway... Is THAT who MISSY is?

 

[Doc Ock]

^Thanks for reminding me... I goofed before. The Dream Lord, not the Dream Master. Anyway... Is THAT who MISSY is?

Could be, I mean dieting is like going to sleep so perhaps...I don't know but speculation sure is fun! I would be disappointed not to see the old Dream Lord again though.

 

[TheNextNolan22]

 

[Sawyer]

 

[chamber-music]

Missing Eppys and a new showrunner?

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2014/09/01/philip-morris-vs-steven-moffat-on-doctor-who-goes-public-and-will-anthony-horowitz-take-over-the-show/

The dislike for Moffat seems to be steadily reaching RTD levels in some circles. I never would of thought that a few years ago.

 

[regwec]

I always hated John Simm's Master being turned into a super-powered psychotic... I would've more preferred a Derek Jacobi Master...

I completely agree. I would like an older Master now, to bring a kind of Gandalf/Saruman flavour to his rivalry with the Doctor. Charles Dance, please.

The dislike for Moffat seems to be steadily reaching RTD levels in some circles. I never would of thought that a few years ago.

I don't understand it. I'm not a mega-fan, so maybe that's why. His scripts are somewhat hit-and-miss, but that compares to miss-and-miss for a lot of RTD episodes.

 

[RetroNaz]

Maybe the show needs to inject a "new Doctor, new show runner" sensibility so each character reboot also extends to the look and feel and writing of each new era.

 

[THUNDERSTRIKE]

a COMPLETELY fresh start to the show WOULD and SHOULD be the way to go at this juncture... it's time to pass on the reins to someone with a fresh new vision...

 

[baerrtt]

The dislike for Moffat seems to be steadily reaching RTD levels in some circles. I never would of thought that a few years ago.

The immense dislike for Moffat in certain fan circles started by the time Matt Smith's 1st series was over(anyone here who posted or posts still on the Gallifrey Base forum since 2009 knows this) yet the dislike for him or RTD has nothing on the one JNT went through in the 80s by fans, the press or even some of his successors during the 30th anniversary celebrations Verity Lambert, the show's very first producer, was invited to a party the BBC threw for Doctor Who alumni past and present and when she was introduced to JNT, who had always wanted to meet her, she proceeded to tell him he had ruined the programme. When Lambert met RTD for a joint interview in 2006 by SFX she praised what he had done and saw it as an extension of her vision for the show.

At least Davies and Steven have both overseen, mostly, critically acclaimed, hugely popular and award winning eras of the show which is what people overall will remember whilst John oversaw a decade where the show became gradually less popular or supported by the BBC or even by some of it's own fans. Case in point back in '87 there was a programme aired where JNT met some DW fans...and it was just 30 minutes of them giving him ****. Steven should count himself lucky if the worst part of the hate are rumours he's going to be replaced by comparison.

 

[AnneFan]

 

[wobbly]

Is the guy playing Robin the one who plays Leonardo in the 'Da Vincis Demons' show?

(Too lazy too look it up, lol)

 

[TheComicbookKid]

The dislike for Moffat seems to be steadily reaching RTD levels in some circles. I never would of thought that a few years ago.

I wonder if the leaks have zapped Moffat's desire to do another season? He didn't even try to bribe fans this time.

He had talked about plotting series 9.

 

[The Batman]

The immense dislike for Moffat in certain fan circles started by the time Matt Smith's 1st series was over(anyone here who posted or posts still on the Gallifrey Base forum since 2009 knows this) yet the dislike for him or RTD has nothing on the one JNT went through in the 80s by fans, the press or even some of his successors during the 30th anniversary celebrations Verity Lambert, the show's very first producer, was invited to a party the BBC threw for Doctor Who alumni past and present and when she was introduced to JNT, who had always wanted to meet her, she proceeded to tell him he had ruined the programme. When Lambert met RTD for a joint interview in 2006 by SFX she praised what he had done and saw it as an extension of her vision for the show.

At least Davies and Steven have both overseen, mostly, critically acclaimed, hugely popular and award winning eras of the show which is what people overall will remember whilst John oversaw a decade where the show became gradually less popular or supported by the BBC or even by some of it's own fans. Case in point back in '87 there was a programme aired where JNT met some DW fans...and it was just 30 minutes of them giving him ****. Steven should count himself lucky if the worst part of the hate are rumours he's going to be replaced by comparison.

The Moffat situation just proves that everyone has their haters, whether its RTD or someone else. In fact, it makes me think how fanboys would see RTD if he was in 05-08 Moffat's position, just turning in one story a season for another showrunner.


Anyway, nothing compares to the hate JNT used to get. He will go down in Who's history as the worst showrunner, ironically being the longest running.

 

[TheNextNolan22]

 

[COMPO]

First off nice!
Secondly with the JNT talk people are having, when do people think JNT should have stepped down as showrunner? And also if you can who would you have had replaced him at the time?

 

[Doc Ock]

The dislike for Moffat seems to be steadily reaching RTD levels in some circles. I never would of thought that a few years ago.

Yeah, I see it often on the internet along with RTD dislike makes me wonder how some people enjoy anything of the show or why they bother still watching it. I've loved everything Moffat has done and although I wasn't the biggest fan of many of RTD episodes, their were great episodes under his era. I will support. Moffat until they end, I've read a lot about JNT and man....now that seems like dislike I can understand. RTD and Moffat has done so much good for the show IMO.

 

[Upset Spideyfan]

First off nice!
Secondly with the JNT talk people are having, when do people think JNT should have stepped down as showrunner? And also if you can who would you have had replaced him at the time?

He should have left after the Fifth Doctor's regeneration. I don't know much about who else would have possibly been in the running so I can't answer the second question sadly.