Doctor Who - Not a Hugging Type of Thread

[Upset Spideyfan]

She literally thought he left her to die and he let that lie continue for no good reason. That is not how one treats equals.

He cannot come into situations say I'm the Doctor you should trust me and then bail on them halfway through because they're afraid (which is all they were).

The "respect" he showed her was so narcissistic, as if to say "Do you see how hard I have it? Aren't I so clever?"

 

[regwec]

Not a great episode, in that the denouement was so absurd that it could only serve as a bare parable, having lost any credible sci fi clothing.

I still enjoyed it, however, and thought the creepy, spidery set-up was effective. Capaldi is reliably better than everything that surrounds him, too.

I am somewhat relieved to see the back of Clara.

 

[Matt]

She literally thought he left her to die and he let that lie continue for no good reason. That is not how one treats equals.

He cannot come into situations say I'm the Doctor you should trust me and then bail on them halfway through because they're afraid (which is all they were).

The "respect" he showed her was so narcissistic, as if to say "Do you see how hard I have it? Aren't I so clever?"

Yeah, 12 is proving to be kind of a prick. The writers need to do a better job of balancing the character. He can't jump each week from curmudgeon to total ass hat. Honestly, the most egregious offense, in my eyes, happened off screen. The Doctor told a little girl that she's not special? It is quite the far cry from this:



"You know, in 900 years of time and space and I don't think I've ever met someone who's not important before." That line sums the Doctor up so well, IMO. Not just 11, either. But it is who the Doctor is at his core. He is caring and compassionate, even when he doesn't act it.

I am fine with the Doctor's traits changing, but they shouldn't change who he is at his core. Condescending, lacking tact, egotistical...I am fine with all of those things. Being a bastard, I am not okay with. It is why I don't like the bit of Six that I saw. Writers need to keep 12 as he was in Robots of Sherwood and The Caretaker and less like he was in Kill the Moon.

 

[BlackMagicWolf]

I liked Kill the Moon, and I thought Capaldi was really good in this episode too. I'm glad the writers are doing some different with him than they did the last two or three Doctors. I'm very interested to see where things go next!

Here's my review if you wish to read!

http://www.followingthenerd.com/tv/...tor-who-series-eight-episode-7-kill-the-moon/

 

[THUNDERSTRIKE]

I liked Kill the Moon, and I thought Capaldi was really good in this episode too. I'm glad the writers are doing some different with him than they did the last two or three Doctors. I'm very interested to see where things go next!

Here's my review if you wish to read!

http://www.followingthenerd.com/tv/...tor-who-series-eight-episode-7-kill-the-moon/

FYI, Clara's student from Coal Hill school is correctly named Courtney, NOT Veronica...

 

[Upset Spideyfan]

I think the best 12 portrayal so far was Time Heist.

 

[BlackMagicWolf]

FYI, Clara's student from Coal Hill school is correctly named Courtney, NOT Veronica...

Thanks for that! It's been fixed. I'm not sure how or why I did that to be honest, but thanks!

USF: I think his best episode was "Listen".

 

[TheComicbookKid]

Anyway, I think Clara overreacted at the end of the episode. The Doctor shouldn't be forced to manipulate EVERY situation. Would Clara feel it appropriate when the Doctor went back to the War, she intervened by pushing him away from The Moment? He made her his equal by giving her the decisions that he makes. Something not afforded to very man people. After briefly finding her interesting up to Time Heist, I'm starting to dislike her again.

That's a weird way to read that scene.

The Doctor(s) were about to press the button and Clara didn't say a thing, but he knew his friend had something to say. She didn't hold it in despite this was supposed to be fixed point and already decided. He still wanted her opinion after she initially shook her head.

So in the same position, the Doctor just left her with no support except a teenage girl and someone she doesn't know. Gallifrey isn't her planet either but she still stood by her friend.

War, 11, and 10 had each other. Clara had nobody.

 

[Deserana]

I may have missed something but I've seen the ep twice now. Why does 12 leave them on the moon? I personally thought for a complete standalone adventure it was possibly the best of the series but this just seemed so un-Doctorlike

 

[AnneFan]

Didn't really like Kill The Moon, and it could be my least favourite of the Series 8 run so far. They're clearly setting up Clara's exit. I'm sure Jenna is a great person, but I'm kinda ready for another companion now.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

"Kill the Moon" inched past "Robot of Sherwood" to become my least favorite of the Capaldi episodes so far. Nothing about the central conflict between the Doctor and Clara rang true to me. The Doctor leaving her was hugely uncharacteristic of him and her freaking out to the extent she did was hugely uncharacteristic of her. If they were real people, I'd have lost a great deal of respect for both of them due to the events of this episode.

I am okay with the Doctor telling Courtney she's not special, though. That feels like something Capaldi's Doctor would definitely say. It feels like something Eccleston's Doctor would imply, at least, if not say outright, and Capaldi's Doctor often feels a bit like Eccleston's with a few more layers of old man crustiness on top.

 

[Gold Samurai]

Capaldi's Doctor often feels a bit like Eccleston's with a few more layers of old man crustiness on top.

We went from "stupid apes" to "pudding brains"

 

[TheUnknownX]

Pics of Capaldi in the new Dr. Who Experience

 

[THUNDERSTRIKE]

We went from "stupid apes" to "pudding brains"

that sounds like humans devolving and going BACKWARDS, in the Doctor's mind...

 

[TheNextNolan22]

 

[DawnWarrior]

I wonder if the giant spider-creature in the moon ever caught a glimpse of the Racnoss ship at the center of the earth.

 

[DrCosmic]

As someone who has seen more 12 than any other Doctor (I know, right?) I thought Kill The Moon was awesome. Loved the kid, thought they were clever about getting around child actor labor restrictions (having her shoot one scene as though she were on a monitor, which might have taken thirty minutes instead of a day of shooting.

I like this ambiguous Doctor. Perhaps if I had been through 50 years of how much the Doctor is a good guy I wouldn't like it so much, but this guy being... scary makes sense based on what his backstory is. Clara's reaction made sense to me, she sees them as equals and he doesn't. That has a breaking point. Again, maybe that contrast is new, but it seems solid.

Danny Pink is awesome. Love that dude. I think they're preparing Clara to go on hiatus, but the way they're breaking them up, it needs to come back and be resolved at some point, because they are friends, and that relationship is important. They are also setting him up for a soldier companion perhaps later this season or next. Maybe Journey Blue will get to make a comeback?

 

[The Batman]

^ If anything, Doctor letting Clara decide the Moon's fate was him seeing Clara as an equal.

 

[DrCosmic]

^ If anything, Doctor letting Clara decide the Moon's fate was him seeing Clara as an equal.

Well, that's the argument isn't it? If they were equal there wouldn't be a letting in that sentiment. You can take the whole argument about special kiddo whose name I've already forgotten and impose it on Clara as well. With similar reactions, leading to the exact same decision at the same moment for the same reasons with the same effect, except Clara doesn't look up to the Doctor anymore (did she ever? I honestly don't know), so the result is entirely different. Special kiddo goes home a happy former companion, and Clara goes home a very unhappy former friend who's just been told she's special by someone who simply by saying it implies that it's not true.

I don't think we can question his earnestness, but the implication that Clara was talking about is kinda inescapable, even in the simple restating of the Doctor's position.

And there is the very real reality that Clara *isn't* equal with the Doctor in capability, so... him believing they are means... what?

The thing I like about it most is that it builds on the idea that he is a Time Lord, and that being such a thing implies some kind of Lordship that he hasn't really dealt with much before. For me personally, when I first heard what Dr. Who was, I kinda guffawed at the idea of a Time Lord, reminded me of some of my friends super characters with power over all gravity and other such nonsense.

 

[The Batman]

Meh. Sounds like The Doctor is damned if he does, damned if he dosen't.

Whether he holds humanity's hand by making the choice for them as he usually does, or he's suddenly being patronizing when he decides to step back, it seems like The Doc is screwed either way. There was a review of KTM that suggested that people only care about what the companion is feeling, but not The Doctor, and I'm starting to think that may be true.

 

[Gold Samurai]

It was very "The Water of Mars" even with the astronaut planning on killing herself.


RDJ wants to write for Doctor Who?

 

[TheComicbookKid]

The thing I like about it most is that it builds on the idea that he is a Time Lord, and that being such a thing implies some kind of Lordship that he hasn't really dealt with much before. For me personally, when I first heard what Dr. Who was, I kinda guffawed at the idea of a Time Lord, reminded me of some of my friends super characters with power over all gravity and other such nonsense.

The thing is, until recently I don't remember the name Time Lord being a military title. Time Lords was another way of saying Gallifreyian.

Kind of like how Wolverine was Weapon X until someone decided he was Weapon 10.

 

[Mr_336]

Pics of Capaldi in the new Dr. Who Experience

Ohhh, what I'd give to have the McGann console room fully restored to have Capaldi in it

 

[chamber-music]

It was very "The Water of Mars" even with the astronaut planning on killing herself.


RDJ wants to write for Doctor Who?

The project was probably that Black mirror episode RDJ brought the film rights to.

 

[Manic]

Twelve was definitely pulling a Seven in "Kill the Moon." By that, I mean his level of trust in his companion boiled down to "I trust you to do what I want you to do with the limited information I've provided for you." Seven did that to Ace all the time. He never told Ace what he knew; he just trusted that her reactions would give him his desired result. It's a pretty damn manipulative way to run your operation, and a totally messed up way to continue a friendship.

He also did that "passing the buck" thing that many past Doctors have done before. Most of the time, the Doctor will walk into a horrible scenario and decide what's best for everyone involved, but sometimes he'll magically decide that it's not his responsibility. There's that situation I mentioned in another post where he made Mickey decide whether or not to launch the missiles at Downing Street despite the Doctor making every major decision up to that point. Hell, I remember a moment in "The Seeds of Doom" where the Fourth Doctor just stood there while a man was dying and said something like "Well, you've got to do it yourselves." When he doesn't want the responsibility, he'll play the "I'm an alien and this is your decision" card, which is remarkably hypocritical. But then the Doctor's always been a massive hypocrit.

Most of the episode so far this series have been deconstructions of the Doctor's character. I'm kind of enjoying it so far, because it's underlining the fact that, despite being a big damn hero, the Doctor has always been a total bastard.