does going to church make your life better?

[Darthphere]

I couldn't be an historian, but I do like to be well-read. I think the problem most christians fall into is that they don't study any deeper than the pages of the Bible. You've gotta know where the book you're reading comes from, who wrote it and what it really means.

Pretty much. Too many people read The Bible at face value.

 

[Kevin]

I beleive in magic and stuff like i think anyway, but to me the idea of God is a concept invented buy humans who need something to beleive in.

I don't know if you mean that, but That's exactly how I feel.

 

[Angry Sentinel]

Lol, I didn't read all the way back, but was going to church ever discussed in this thread...

 

[Kyalesyin]

Lol, I didn't read all the way back, but was going to church ever discussed in this thread...

A little, at first, and somewhere around the middle I think.

 

[Prognosticator]

you CAN'T look at the context.
since the bible is taken from separate books edited and with their context willfuly REMOVED.
oh, and just so you know, the bible was meant to TAKE AT FACE VALUE.
that's what FOLLOWING is about.
that's why you're not called "god's researchers"

well we can't have a 'fact-finding' conversation based on the fact that we don't believe the same root idea.

 

[Prognosticator]

written, re-written, translated, re-translated, edited etc.... i don't understand how even "good" christians can take it at face value after everything that's been gone through to create the book.

if you want to put on the "human eyegoggles", it's easy to dismiss anything in existence, we all learned that in basic college philosophy (those of us who have been to college)... you really can't put any of your faith in the "hands of man".

If you're going to believe in the Bible in it's entirity, along with the New Testiment, you have to apply ideas like "Faith" to your life. For one, faith in the fact that the Bible is God's sovereign Word, and that the Word is God-breathed, and its authors were influenced specifically by God through the Holy Spirit.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

well we can't have a 'fact-finding' conversation based on the fact that we don't believe the same root idea.

but what I said IS TRUE.
the books themselves were meant as separate, never meant to interact.
plus several books are missing and the books there are still thought as "mistranslated" to some degree.
how can you contextualize anything?

 

[Prognosticator]

I couldn't be an historian, but I do like to be well-read. I think the problem most christians fall into is that they don't study any deeper than the pages of the Bible. You've gotta know where the book you're reading comes from, who wrote it and what it really means.

To return to something that was mentioned WAAAAAY back there in this thread, these are usually the same people who give 'the church' a bad reputation; the old ladies with bitter hearts, the rich family who judges the people wearing jeans or shorts, the imperfect deacon who doesn't deserve his title...

Those FEW people create an outside view that tarnishes the very ideas the church was based upon.

But for people to equate the two as one and the same is to show their ignorance on the subject.

 

[Angry Sentinel]

A little, at first, and somewhere around the middle I think.

Yeah, I finally got back to page 1-2... sheesh 8 pages of Taiwarrior's 'battles' were making me wonder what this thread was started for.

But for people to equate the two as one and the same is to show their ignorance on the subject.

Strongly agree, ignorant (hypocritical) people exist everywhere, why people believe the church is so different is beyond me. We all have excuses err... I mean reasons for our choices.

 

[Prognosticator]

but what I said IS TRUE.
the books themselves were meant as separate, never meant to interact.
plus several books are missing and the books there are still thought as "mistranslated" to some degree.
how can you contextualize anything?

what you say ISN'T TRUE. sorry.

just a jumbled pile of wrongness, as long as we're exchanging OPINIONS for fact.

they were and are meant to inneract. you say stuff like that with no backing.... and all of a sudden your "opinion" means less and less.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

what you say ISN'T TRUE. sorry.

just a jumbled pile of wrongness, as long as we're exchanging OPINIONS for fact.

they were and are meant to inneract. you say stuff like that with no backing.... and all of a sudden your "opinion" means less and less.

no, actually YOU say stuff with no "backing" ( I'm guessing you meant evidence, unless you're putting up bookshelves )
I know you're threatened by truth and stuff, but, it's true. 100% (hence the "according to" part)
sorry, I'm not here to educate you personally, reserach your own damned religion there sport.

 

[Prognosticator]

The bottom line is I can't convince anyone of anything nor am I trying. Our culture doesn't roll that way, and I'm not trying to persuade anyone to convert to something they know NOTHING about...

But I DO encourage every person to deeply engage themselves in learning about a subject before going around throwing transparent opinions around like they are some sort of meaningful concrete evidence.

If science could "prove" every answer to every question we had, then all of us would STILL NOT believe in God or Christ or attend church, and those of us who did would have a personal faith that is about as shallow as the kiddie pool at the end of a hot summer day.

That's it! Time to go home for the day. I'm sure this will continue tomorrow if there is anything left worth discussing.