Does Marvel have a problem with their villains?

[Spider-Fan]

He was no where near as menacing and dangerous as in the comics for me, in fact he didn't come across as a threat at all. And I don't think he was comic like in his plans or personality.

Can you be more specific?

 

[Bruce Malone]

Isn't Kilgrave from Jessica Jones how Ultron should have been? With that psychopathic menacing detached superiority.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Isn't Kilgrave from Jessica Jones how Ultron should have been? With that psychopathic menacing detached superiority.

Not seen JJ yet but that description fits Ultron for me.

 

[Zarex]

Isn't Kilgrave from Jessica Jones how Ultron should have been? With that psychopathic menacing detached superiority.

"Detached" is a word I would never use to describe Ultron. It's never business, always personal.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Isn't Kilgrave from Jessica Jones how Ultron should have been? With that psychopathic menacing detached superiority.

Ultron I would never describe as detached. Again, this goes with that Corey Burton Brainiac misconception people have of the character. Ultron is a creature of emotion and personal vendettas, no matter how he denies it.

 

[TeeKay]

Isn't Kilgrave from Jessica Jones how Ultron should have been? With that psychopathic menacing detached superiority.

Detached? Far from it, Ultron has always had daddy issues with Pym. In AoU they alluded to him having daddy issues with Stark but never really expanded upon. But Ultron is a very personal villain.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Ultron I would never describe as detached. Again, this goes with that Corey Burton Brainiac misconception people have of the character. Ultron is a creature of emotion and personal vendettas, no matter how he denies it.

I wouldn't say he had a vendetta in Annihilation Conquest personally.

 

[TeeKay]

That's an unfair comparison though. This film isn't based that around that arc. Rather Whedon took from Ultron Unlimited more than anything else. He did have a vendetta against his creator. That's one of his biggest character traits.

 

[I Am The Knight]

"Clearly you've never made an ommlet""I can't physically throw up in my mouth""With the benefit of hindsight" That's all I could remember being quips. The rest was just him saying things that were unintentionally funny like the the Frisbee line, eh children, guys wait! Etc. But with the way people talk about it here, you'd think he was a standup comedian.

Well if he's coming across as unintentionally funny (like Bane in TDKR) that would be even worse. I thought he was genuinely funny, like the frisbee line was actually meant to be funny and that was my favorite funny line in the film. He was intentionally funny! And I loved him that way. I wouldn't mind a more serious Ultron in the future though.

 

[TeeKay]

Well if he's coming across as unintentionally funny (like Bane in TDKR) that would be even worse. I thought he was genuinely funny, like the frisbee line was actually meant to be funny and that was my favorite funny line in the film. He was intentionally funny! And I loved him that way. I wouldn't mind a more serious Ultron in the future though.

I didn't mind him being funny or snarky at all. He should have been more of a physical threat. Seriously, the Avengers were OP in this film. I get the theme was "Gods and monsters" but I felt Ultron never stood a chance (and he knew it), so he was creating Vision. But even then they stole Vision. I was rooting for him more than the Avengers in this film.


I thought Ultron was fairly tense for a while at the start, but after the Vision gambit was foiled, the tension just collapsed, for me. Ultron's plan up until that point had revolved around upgrading himself to the point of invincibility.

When the heroes stopped the Vision upgrade... did Ultron have anywhere left to go? Vision is super-Ultron, so once the Avengers nicked Vision, where was the threat? The Avengers already have Ultron-but-better on their side, and moreover, for the entire film up to this point have demonstrated a consistent ability to defeat Ultron drones. Iron Man killed one in Wakanda, Cap went toe-to-toe with one for a surprisingly long time, and the film seemed to go to an effort to avoid the Hulk or Thor ever taking on an Ultron drone dirrectly, if only because those two are the most powerful Avengers and would crush him.

So the tension was that, while Ultron was an inferior combatant to any of the Avengers' heavy-hitters (i.e. Thor, Hulk, Stark, roughly in that order), Ultron's near-limitless ability to respawn helped to create a tense cat-and-mouse chase while Ultron went about building an upgrade for himself, which would finally get him to the point where he can take on the Avengers directly.

I was afraid he might get defeated before we get to see his master plan. Though His arrogance is what defeated him. Seriously, he waits for the Avengers at the end and send a his whole drone army after Thor taunted him. I loved his talk with Vision at the end though.

 

[I Am The Knight]

I didn't mind him being funny or snarky at all. He should have been more of a physical threat. Seriously, the Avengers were OP in this film. I get the theme was "Gods and monsters" but I felt Ultron never stood a chance (and he knew it), so he was creating Vision. But even then they stole Vision. I was rooting for him more than the Avengers in this film.

I was afraid he might get defeated before we get to see his master plan. Though His arrogance is what defeated him. Seriously, he waits for the Avengers at the end and send a his whole drone army after Thor taunted him. I loved his talk with Vision at the end though.

Yeah, the Avengers are insanely powerful at the moment. That's gonna make IW interesting.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

That's an unfair comparison though. This film isn't based that around that arc. Rather Whedon took from Ultron Unlimited more than anything else. He did have a vendetta against his creator. That's one of his biggest character traits.

I accept that the vendetta against his creator is a big trait, but even then I don't think they delved into it that much. Even in the final battle Ultron has more scenes with Thir and Vision than he does Stark. It was another element of his portrayal that wasn't up to scratch for me.

 

[TeeKay]

I accept that the vendetta against his creator is a big trait, but even then I don't think they delved into it that much. Even in the final battle Ultron has more scenes with Thir and Vision than he does Stark. It was another element of his portrayal that wasn't up to scratch for me.

I agree, the film had way too much going on. Ultron should have had more screentime and development.

Yeah, the Avengers are insanely powerful at the moment. That's gonna make IW interesting.

With the Russos at the helm, I expect most of the Avengers to get a power boost in IW lol

 

[First Avenger]

What's your AoU rating,Tee?

 

[Flint Marko]

I agree, the film had way too much going on. Ultron should have had more screentime and development.

That's a good way to describe it. I didn't have a problem with what they presented us, I just wish there was more of it.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I agree, the film had way too much going on. Ultron should have had more screentime and development.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

Agreed. Marvel great at doing heroes so well that they get away with doing not so great villains most of time.

 

[Web-Head]

It's hard for me to complain about their villains. I liked Stane, Loki, Ultron and Yellow Jacket. Winter Soldier was just a great movie overall. Plus it sounds like they have Taskmaster now so, I'm curious to see what they do with him, if anything.

 

[Bruce Malone]

Ultron I would never describe as detached. Again, this goes with that Corey Burton Brainiac misconception people have of the character. Ultron is a creature of emotion and personal vendettas, no matter how he denies it.

I meant detached from humanity as whole but he was utterly obsessed with Jessica Jones and he did seem very emotionally attached to her at least.

 

[CaptainWagner]

It's hard for me to complain about their villains. I liked Stane, Loki, Ultron and Yellow Jacket. Winter Soldier was just a great movie overall. Plus it sounds like they have Taskmaster now so, I'm curious to see what they do with him, if anything.

Whoah! WHat did I miss? Where is Taskmaster showing up?

 

[Web-Head]

Whoah! WHat did I miss? Where is Taskmaster showing up?

Nowhere yet. He's just rumored to be back at Marvel instead of Fox

 

[Mike Murdock]

The only news on the subject is the director of Deadpool said he would like to use him, but didn't have the rights.

 

[Lantern Venom]

It seems to me that just about every MCU movie we have people complaining about the portrayal of villains. From Red Skull to Malekith to Ronan, not to mention "Mandarin", there is no shortage of villains that seemed to be either half-cooked or one-dimensional,?

Red Skull and Ronan were amazing villains. They were egomaniacal xenophobes, which made them easy to hate. They were perfect for the kind of international/interplanetary conflicts around which their respective movies revolved. Characters like this don't benefit from too much sympathetic backstory, but that doesn't make them one-dimensional. Goals and modus operandi/powers also play a large part in whether or not a character is interesting.

Mandarin in IM3 is an isolated case so far for Marvel Studios. The character itself wasn't poorly constructed, but it was clearly a mistake for such a storied villain from the comics to be linked with a simple plot device. Hopefully, Marvel learned their lesson from the backlash and we won't see any cheap tricks like that again.

 

[CaptainWagner]

Nowhere yet. He's just rumored to be back at Marvel instead of Fox

Oh, okay. Huh. I never would have thought Tasky would be at Fox, of all places...

Red Skull and Ronan were amazing villains. They were egomaniacal xenophobes, which made them easy to hate. They were perfect for the kind of international/interplanetary conflicts around which their respective movies revolved. Characters like this don't benefit from too much sympathetic backstory, but that doesn't make them one-dimensional. Goals and modus operandi/powers also play a large part in whether or not a character is interesting.

Mandarin in IM3 is an isolated case so far for Marvel Studios. The character itself wasn't poorly constructed, but it was clearly a mistake for such a storied villain from the comics to be linked with a simple plot device. Hopefully, Marvel learned their lesson from the backlash and we won't see any cheap tricks like that again.

So you praise a horribly wasted villain like Ronan and then claim the Mandarin is the only poor MCU villain?

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

2 episodes into Jessica Jones, we haven't even seen Kilgrave's face and he is still a better villain than most of the MCU efforts.