The Amazing Spider-Man 2 Does this movie really deserve the hate it gets?

[TWayneP]

Yeah I don't trust reviews heck tmnt I heard was really bad and I thought it was good. But this movie is just special so so good. This movie has ever thing. Great soundtrack, great CGI and action, spider man charteristic where perfect, so funny. I have never cared about chariters has much has I do in this movie, great love story emotinaly end. The only bad thing about this movie is goblins look and that to much was shown in the trailers and to much cut form the movie. It really is a same this movie doesn't get the respect it deserver and if sony didn't cut to much form the movie it would be consider a lot better has almost ever thing that was cut ether would have made the problems with the movie smaller or none exictie to begin with.

The whole promotion and trailers showing too much doesn't really bother me, it did (and does) at release time, but what matters to me is 5 years down the line. you will forget all of the trailers and tv spots that had spoiled you, and just be able to judge the film for what it presents much easier. THats why many of these movies get so much better with time. with each passing year i rematch these movies and I'm always in awe.

The cutting does suck though. The film could have used some more goblin vs spider-man time imo. and definitely more aftermath. But I still love it as is.

 

[spiderman2]

The whole promotion and trailers showing too much doesn't really bother me, it did (and does) at release time, but what matters to me is 5 years down the line. you will forget all of the trailers and tv spots that had spoiled you, and just be able to judge the film for what it presents much easier. THats why many of these movies get so much better with time. with each passing year i rematch these movies and I'm always in awe.

The cutting does suck though. The film could have used some more goblin vs spider-man time imo. and definitely more aftermath. But I still love it as is.

Yeah it just sucked that they showed so much because like half of the action was shown in the trailers and I was expecting gween to die. If not for the trailers I would have been shocked has it is like the hero alrease saves the person oh wow that didn't happened kind of reaction. Yeah I just hate seeing the movie getting hated on and I belive with out the cutting that hat would be much lower and I have it has my 4th favorite CBM of all time and I think with out the cutting it could have been 3. Yeah cutting goblin out sucked would have added more action and would have made harry a really good villain instead of just good. I want to see the alterinte longer goblin fight and electro time squre fight and also the harry peter kids scence and the delected scenecs with goblin put back in the movie and I want the longer truck chase scence that has been talked about.

 

[TWayneP]

Yeah it just sucked that they showed so much because like half of the action was shown in the trailers and I was expecting gween to die. If not for the trailers I would have been shocked has it is like the hero alrease saves the person oh wow that didn't happened kind of reaction. Yeah I just hate seeing the movie getting hated on and I belive with out the cutting that hat would be much lower and I have it has my 4th favorite CBM of all time and I think with out the cutting it could have been 3. Yeah cutting goblin out sucked would have added more action and would have made harry a really good villain instead of just good. I want to see the alterinte longer goblin fight and electro time squre fight and also the harry peter kids scence and the delected scenecs with goblin put back in the movie and I want the longer truck chase scence that has been talked about.

Yea. corners need to be cut somewhere though. Just like the case with Rogue in Days of Future past. As fans, we just want it alllllll!!! gimmie gimmie gimmie! hahaha.

 

[spiderman2]

Yea. corners need to be cut somewhere though. Just like the case with Rogue in Days of Future past. As fans, we just want it alllllll!!! gimmie gimmie gimmie! hahaha.

Still though sounds like to much was cut to many important things and they movie wasn't really that long like 2 hours and 10 minutes if the movie had been like 2:45 it would have been much better.

 

[GoodYoung]

Well, actually.....No, it doesn't. I still think it's a bad movie but it's nowhere as bad as some people saying. It has some really amazing scenes, good acting, probably the best soundtrack in SM movies and of course, the great Dane DeHaan. But that's not enough.
This movie. Is. Bad.
5/10, imo. It's a shame. It had potential to be the best SM movie.

 

[TWayneP]

Well, actually.....No, it doesn't. I still think it's a bad movie but it's nowhere as bad as some people saying. It has some really amazing scenes, good acting, probably the best soundtrack in SM movies and of course, the great Dane DeHaan. But that's not enough.
This movie. Is. Bad.
5/10, imo. It's a shame. It had potential to be the best SM movie.

Fair enough! At least you can give it credit where it really deserves it haha.

 

[Spider-knight]

i thought you liked tasm 2.

also not to sound like a hater but i always thought that the reason people came to see the spiderman films by raimi was because of the villains and i think that's mostly what i hear. i rarely hear things about maguire and dunst and surprisingly franco gets more roles than dunst and maguire.

 

[Erzengel]

THats why many of these movies get so much better with time. with each passing year i rematch these movies and I'm always in awe.

The cutting does suck though. The film could have used some more goblin vs spider-man time imo. and definitely more aftermath. But I still love it as is.

Actually it feels like it's the opposite. On this site, movies like FF: ROTS, X:TLS, X:WO, and Spider-Man 3 were getting high marks when it was released, but overtime, their "overhypeness" started to die down and their faults began to show.

This is a CB site, so there's usually a general consensus about any CBM. I've said before, you'll never get a 100% agreement on fans. I'm sure there are people who dislike TDK, SM2, Avengers, Iron-Man, etc.

If you don't want to listen to critics, that's fine to make your own opinions. But there were 3 other CBMS this year that were praised more by critics, GA and CB fans. And there's one on this messageboard with consistent threads/posts about why isn't it received better, deserve hate, etc.

 

[GoodYoung]

i thought you liked tasm 2.

also not to sound like a hater but i always thought that the reason people came to see the spiderman films by raimi was because of the villains and i think that's mostly what i hear. i rarely hear things about maguire and dunst and surprisingly franco gets more roles than dunst and maguire.

Nah, I was dissapointed by it. I really really liked the first one but the second almost killed the franchise for me.
I still like it more than the original trilogy though.

 

[TWayneP]

Actually it feels like it's the opposite. On this site, movies like FF: ROTS, X:TLS, X:WO, and Spider-Man 3 were getting high marks when it was released, but overtime, their "overhypeness" started to die down and their faults began to show.

This is a CB site, so there's usually a general consensus about any CBM. I've said before, you'll never get a 100% agreement on fans. I'm sure there are people who dislike TDK, SM2, Avengers, Iron-Man, etc.

If you don't want to listen to critics, that's fine to make your own opinions. But there were 3 other CBMS this year that were praised more by critics, GA and CB fans. And there's one on this messageboard with consistent threads/posts about why isn't it received better, deserve hate, etc.

Oh yes, there are plenty of people who dislike TDK, Iron Man, SM2 and Avengers.

Im not sure what point your trying to make here by mentioning those other films. If you read my comment I said that films that show a lot in their trailers and TV spots can be looked at in a fair light as more time goes on. Your not coming to conclusions based on TV spots and building false expectations. Thats why many films that have such high expectations are so much better the second time around. it also highly depends on the film. I didn't say ALL, I just said MANY. (specifically for me)

If its ****, of course its not going to get better with time (like most of the ones you mentioned) Those are just worse films than ASM2 in one way or another.

It also has to do more with the time were living in, When I see films like Man of Steel and ASM2 receive more hate than Ghost Rider or even Batman & Robin, you know theres something wrong. Expectations are astronomically high now, and you have to take that into consideration as a viewer. Be smart and don't always trust overblown negative, positive reactions or consensus. a 50% on rottentomatos for a CBM nowadays means Jack****.

Those movies you mentioned did receive favorable comments at the time of release here, and I think the majority of those people who made those positive comments still stand by them(I was one of them under another screen name actually, I still like Spider-Man 3.) As Ive said before, the negative people are always louder and heard more often.

There are plenty of folks that love what they love(including movies like ASM2) and just keep quite because arguing with negativatrons is not something that provides anything other than a tumor. I can never understand why I even bother debating with people that HATE something so ferociously. Its a dead end street and Ive never gotten anything out of it haha. The reason Im barely on these boards.

Bottom line is that this movie doesn't deserve the hate it actually gets. Of course some hate is understandable and welcome, but this level of hate is EXTREMELY overblown. This movie is not comparable to Batman & Robin, yet that comparison still happens, thats all.

 

[Erzengel]

I've said previously that it may not necessarily deserve all the hate, but the opposite can also be argued that it many not necessarily deserve all the love either. Maybe it does deserve to be somewhere in the middle. Not on the level of say a TDK, SM2, etc. but not on the level of Green Lantern, Catwoman, etc.

However, for a once king of the CBM franchise being middle of the road is not something fans, studio execs should be patting themselves on the back over. Especially when 3 other CBM were released before and after TASM2 that have been widely accepted as better than okay or good but excellent.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Pretty much my fault, haha

This begs a bigger question, is TASM2 the woest rated cbm this side of "iron man"

No. That would be Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance.

 

[The Joker]

People are completely spoiled rotten nowadays, its pathetic.

Spoiled just because we got other great comic book movies like DOFP, GOTG, Cap 2 etc? All very well received with both fans and critics. That's just this year. But even if they had all sucked, TASM2 would still be slammed because it wouldn't make it a better movie.

It doesn't make us spoiled just because TASM 2 wasn't able to hold it's own against the good comic book movies. In fact it just helps show how weak of a movie it is.

Yeah! Damn everyone wanting a well written, logical movie, that doesn't pander to the audience! Well written characters? Not having a lazy "plot" that clearly has no direction? Pffft. Let's just get us some sweet slo mo action scenes and fill the movie with CGI, that's the way to go!

Actually it feels like it's the opposite. On this site, movies like FF: ROTS, X:TLS, X:WO, and Spider-Man 3 were getting high marks when it was released, but overtime, their "overhypeness" started to die down and their faults began to show.

This is a CB site, so there's usually a general consensus about any CBM. I've said before, you'll never get a 100% agreement on fans. I'm sure there are people who dislike TDK, SM2, Avengers, Iron-Man, etc.

If you don't want to listen to critics, that's fine to make your own opinions. But there were 3 other CBMS this year that were praised more by critics, GA and CB fans. And there's one on this messageboard with consistent threads/posts about why isn't it received better, deserve hate, etc.

Exactly.

 

[ShadowBoxer]

I noticed the people that dislike this movie the most are people that dislike because

A. They still favor the Rami movies since it was the first time they may have been exposed to Spider Man.

B. They dont have comic book knowledge of Spider Man and mythos and their only exposure to the character is the movies.

For example, I saw people complaining about Spider Man quips and humor in this movie. This made me question if they are even comic readers because that's a big part of spider man's personality funny or not. I even seen some people complaining about him having web shooters and I am like REALLY do you know nothing about this character or mythos?

 

[Spider-knight]

I've said previously that it may not necessarily deserve all the hate, but the opposite can also be argued that it many not necessarily deserve all the love either. Maybe it does deserve to be somewhere in the middle. Not on the level of say a TDK, SM2, etc. but not on the level of Green Lantern, Catwoman, etc.

However, for a once king of the CBM franchise being middle of the road is not something fans, studio execs should be patting themselves on the back over. Especially when 3 other CBM were released before and after TASM2 that have been widely accepted as better than okay or good but excellent.

The best way for spiderman to recover is a) let the creators do their own thing or b) give the rights back to marvel so we can see a show of him on Netflix because the character totally works best there in terms of the mythos and characters. But seeing as how Sony doesnt want to give up the rights nor is interested in teaming up with marvel the only option I see is option A. If they actually actually do want to keep this franchise then take a look at fix, listen to ALL of the critisms and just try to make a good movie.

Like I said before a directors cut of 2 would bring in some strong sales numbers because releasing the theatrical cut and talking about what was on thecoriginal cut and the reason you cut them out doesn't exactly help make people trust you. It just makes you seem like *******s and worst of all stereotypes of what a horrible company really is like because only something like that can happen like that and it's a shame that its happening to spiderman and not something like WB because all people keep saying that WB care only for batman and kept hindering Wonder Woman and with so many promising stuff coming out spiderman is the one who gets left on the dark. It's like the Parker luck coming to life.

 

[The Joker]

I noticed the people that dislike this movie the most are people that dislike because

A. They still favor the Rami movies since it was the first time they may have been exposed to Spider Man.

My first exposure to Spider-Man was the 90's animated series. Then the comics. Then the 2000 Playstation video game. Then Raimi's movies.

B. They dont have comic book knowledge of Spider Man and mythos and their only exposure to the character is the movies.

I have HUNDREDS of Spider-Man comics from all the various decades from the 60's through to now, and am thoroughly well versed in his comic book history. I could trivia you into the ground

For example, I saw people complaining about Spider Man quips and humor in this movie. This made me question if they are even comic readers because that's a big part of spider man's personality funny or not. I even seen some people complaining about him having web shooters and I am like REALLY do you know nothing about this character or mythos?

Go back and re-read those posts. Nobody is complaining he quipped, it's that his quips were by and large awful. Stupid and unfunny. Some people were even saying this is normal, that Spider-Man is supposed to be annoying to fans. The only people Spidey is supposed to be annoying to is the bad guys. Not the fans. They're supposed to entertained and amused by him.

If you're finding Spidey annoying then there is something seriously wrong with the writing of the character. You don't make your hero annoying to his fans.

 

[Spider-knight]

I noticed the people that dislike this movie the most are people that dislike because

A. They still favor the Rami movies since it was the first time they may have been exposed to Spider Man.

B. They dont have comic book knowledge of Spider Man and mythos and their only exposure to the character is the movies.

For example, I saw people complaining about Spider Man quips and humor in this movie. This made me question if they are even comic readers because that's a big part of spider man's personality funny or not. I even seen some people complaining about him having web shooters and I am like REALLY do you know nothing about this character or mythos?

I think the reason is because the way Peter makes his web shooters in this movie is really stupid when he just comes up with one with a stupid YouTube video and the opening was too much as well as the car their scene. But the rest of the jokes were well done

 

[Spider-knight]

My first exposure to Spider-Man was the 90's animated series. Then the comics. Then the 2000 Playstation video game. Then Raimi's movies.



I have HUNDREDS of Spider-Man comics from all the various decades from the 60's through to now, and am thoroughly well versed in his comic book history. I could trivia you into the ground



Go back and re-read those posts. Nobody is complaining he quipped, it's that his quips were by and large awful. Stupid and unfunny. Some people were even saying this is normal, that Spider-Man is supposed to be annoying to fans. The only people Spidey is supposed to be annoying to is the bad guys. Not the fans. They're supposed to entertained and amused by him.

If you're finding Spidey annoying then there is something seriously wrong with the writing of the character. You don't make your hero annoying to his fans.

Actually some of his jokes on the comics are corny even he admits that at times.

I really like how optimistic he is in the time square scene and I really like his sparkles line in the power plant scene.

 

[A Necessary Evil]

I noticed the people that dislike this movie the most are people that dislike because

A. They still favor the Rami movies since it was the first time they may have been exposed to Spider Man.

I was exposed to Spider-Man by my older brother, playing the Spider-Man vs. Kingpin game, then the 90s series, then the comics, then the PS1 game...then Raimi...so wrong.

B. They dont have comic book knowledge of Spider Man and mythos and their only exposure to the character is the movies. For example, I saw people complaining about Spider Man quips and humor in this movie

Maybe we complained about the humor and the quips....because the humor and the quips sucked.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

My first exposure to Spider-Man was the 90's animated series. Then the comics. Then the 2000 Playstation video game. Then Raimi's movies.

For me it went:
Spider-Man and His Amazing Friends cartoon -> Other 80s Spider-Man show that was on at that time -> 60s Spider-Man cartoon -> 616 comics -> 90s Spider-Man cartoon -> Playstation Game -> Ultimate comics -> Raimi

I was into Spider-Man for nearly 20 years before the Raimi films. I even had the Atari 2600 Spider-Man game. That's how long I've been a fan.

 

[A Necessary Evil]

It was well written and plenty logical to me. This isn't Iron Man 3.

Is that a jab at me or something? What does IM3 have to do with anything? Oh, you feel the need to put something down (which, BTW was very well received and made a boatload of $$$$) to make your product look good? Ok

There is plenty of direction to the plot. The action scenes are fantastic indeed, and the CGI has never been better(perhaps in any CBM)

Peter and Gwen, Peter and his Parents, Gwen subplot, Aunt May subplot, Harry and his disease, Max and his turn to "villainy", the S6 plot...all of which there is a piss poor resolution to. Except May's, which they don't even finish....because there was so much "plot" in this film, yes?

whatever floats your boat, man. I love the movie, plenty others here LOVE it, if you hate it, then fine, but respect opinions.

I find it humorous that you feel the need to put others of the GA down, and by extension those of us who disliked it by calling us "spoiled", but then ask for me to respect an opinion...when I said nothing wrong about someone liking it.

 

[GoodYoung]

My first exposure to Spider-Man was the 90's animated series. Then the comics. Then the 2000 Playstation video game. Then Raimi's movies.

It's off-topic but... Did you liked it?

 

[The Joker]

For me it went:
Spider-Man and His Amazing Friends cartoon -> Other 80s Spider-Man show that was on at that time -> 60s Spider-Man cartoon -> 616 comics -> 90s Spider-Man cartoon -> Playstation Game -> Ultimate comics -> Raimi

I was into Spider-Man for nearly 20 years before the Raimi films. I even had the Atari 2600 Spider-Man game. That's how long I've been a fan.

Nice

So you were well versed in Spidey before the movies came along.

It's off-topic but... Did you liked it?

I loved it. I still think it's the best Spidey video game. It was great having several of the 90's cartoon voice cast in it, too.

 

[Spider-knight]

For me it was like the 616 comics to the ultimate comics to the 90s show to the TSSM to the marvel adventures comics to the raimi films to the Webb films.

 

[GoodYoung]

I loved it. I still think it's the best Spidey video game. It was great having several of the 90's cartoon voice cast in it, too.

Great! It's my favorite too. In fact, it's my favorite Marvel game, not just SM. And Rino Romano is still the best Spider-Man, in my opinion. It's a shame he didn't returned to voice Spidey in Shattered Dimensions.
I still play it somethimes.
Enter Electro was good as well but not as good as the original.