The Amazing Spider-Man 2 Does this movie really deserve the hate it gets?

[The Joker]

It's jarring how respectful people are on these parts of the forums. Quick somebody get angry!

It's true though. A lot of people can't disagree and still be respectful while doing it, which is sad.

 

[Angryfantasyfan]

Peter stops her physically with his webbing. Gwen freed herself and went to the power plant. Then after she rescues him with the car, he pleads with her to leave and we get the big speech. So outside of Peter risking the whole city to carry her out of there, he really didn't have a choice.

I actually think that was out of line. When superheroes take away innocent people's freedom for their own good, they head down the same path as Ozymandias and Superman from Injustice: Gods Among Us.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

That's... quite an awfully extreme comparison.

 

[Angryfantasyfan]

That's... quite an awfully extreme comparison.

It's not a comparison, it's a slippery slope argument.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

I highly doubt Spider-Man ends up like either of those 2 so why even bring it up, or at least use those examples?

 

[Erzengel]

Best and Worst Marketing for Summer 2014 Movies by Forbes:

The Worst: The Amazing Spider-Man 2 (Sony Corp.):
For the record, The Amazing Spider-Man 2 opened with $91 million over its debut weekend and eventually went on to earn $708m worldwide. Even with a $255m budget and who-knows-how much for marketing, the Sony sequel will eventually make money in the long run. But the sequel’s reception did real damage to the Spider-Man brand, to the point where we’re getting various spin-offs before we get a proper Amazing Spider-Man 3. Much of the damage, I would argue, was a result of the marketing campaign, which made the fatal mistake of selling a movie that was inferior to the one being offered while spending more time talking up Amazing Spider-Man 6 than the better-than-I-expected Amazing Spider-Man 2.

Like The Amazing Spider-Man before it, Sony dropped so many trailers, teasers, clips, and television spots that they basically gave away 95% of the finished product before the picture opened on domestic shores. It’s something I complain about quite a bit, dropping oodles of spoiler-filled content online for the sole purpose of feeding the entertainment news cycle that mostly services those who were already planning on seeing the movie. Sony isn’t the only one that does this, but their campaign for Amazing Spider-Man 2, which needlessly revealed major third act plot turns and key action sequences, while teasing the one plot twist the fans demanded, was a prime example of the worst kind of saturation-level marketing.

I get the need to say on Monday morning that you “did everything possible” to goose up the all-important opening weekend, but I would argue that there is a point where over-saturation does more harm than good. General audiences didn’t need a Russian doll-type Super Bowl gimmick; they just needed one or two solid trailers that reminded them how much they liked Emma Stone and Andrew Garfield as an on-screen couple. But most importantly, their marketing emphasized not the lone buzzy element of the franchise reboot (the Peter Parker/Gwen Stacey romance) but an alleged deluge of super-villains that alleged attack the web-slinger.

The tagline, “His Greatest Battle Begins,” and the emphasis on setting up a Spider-Man vs. Sinister Six led to a marketing campaign that featured copious “not in the final film” footage regarding world-building while all-but-hiding Emma Stone. Sure enough, all-too-many critics reviewed the marketing campaign instead of the movie, complaining about “too many villains” while ignoring the fact that Electro was barely in the film and that the likes of Green Goblin and Rhino were basically book-ends. Sony took a perfectly okay Peter Parker/Gwen Stacey-centric sequel that audiences might have wanted to see and sold a super-villain team-up movie that A) didn’t exist and B) wasn’t nearly as enticing to general audiences.

 

[Havok83]

Im glad I didnt follow any of that so I didnt have the bulk of the film spoiled for me before viewing

 

[W/ Great Power]

Im glad I didnt follow any of that so I didnt have the bulk of the film spoiled for me before viewing

I would have to live on a different planet for that to happen.

 

[SpideyK]

Gwen dying is Harry's, Peter and Gwen's fault.

Not much more complicated than that.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

It's Gwen's fault because she ignored Peter's warning to stay away, and ignored the terrible danger of going after Electro. There is no blame on Peter for that.

If you ignore warnings of severe danger you suffer the consequences of it. Gwen did with her life. Peter tried to stop her. She should have listened to him. She wouldn't be dead if she had. But she kept saying it was her choice so her choice means her fault. Peter's conscience is clear.

 

[SpideyK]

Nah, it's not really just her fault.

Harry set out to kill her and indirectly managed to. Peter *****ed up because he didn't get her away from Harry in time. But, yes, she also *****ed up because she decided to go to the power grid, at all.

Peter conscience sure as hell isn't clear though. Why the hell would he spend 5 months at her grave? That's more than griveing.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

It is really just her fault.

Harry is a bad guy. He would not have been able to get her if she had not been there when she wasn't supposed to be because it was so dangerous and she knew that and Peter knew it and he had tried to stop her. You can't blame Peter for not getting her out in time. She already escaped him webbing her to that car. He tried to stop her already. She gave him that silly speech about him being a caveman webbing her to the car and that he doesn't make her choices she does. She is there because it's her decision. So it's not Peter's fault for that.

He spent 5 months at her grave because he really misses her and has not gotten over losing her. If he does have a guilty conscience in the third movie then he is needlessly punishing himself for something that wasn't his fault. He just has to keep reminding himself that he tried to stop Gwen, she defied him, and she told him it is her own choice she was there.

That's why he should have a clear conscience. He didn't do anything to make Gwen go there and get killed.

 

[SpideyK]

Yes, maybe he sould have a clear conscience. Doesn't me he does.

But okay, whatever.

 

[The Joker]

Nah, it's not really just her fault.

Harry set out to kill her and indirectly managed to. Peter *****ed up because he didn't get her away from Harry in time. But, yes, she also *****ed up because she decided to go to the power grid, at all.

Peter conscience sure as hell isn't clear though. Why the hell would he spend 5 months at her grave? That's more than griveing.

That's like saying Batman is to blame for the Joker killing Robin (Jason Todd) because Robin defied Batman's orders and went after the Joker by himself and got killed.

Robin knew it was too dangerous to go after Joker solo. Batman told him not to. He did anyway. And he died. He's as blameless as Spider-Man is for Gwen defying him and going to the Electro battleground.

 

[NewYorkSpider]

Peter really didn't have a choice but to see what Harry was going to do. He also didn't know what he was capable of doing. If he tried to get Gwen while Harry was between them, Harry probably would've killed her right then and there. Going after her would have put her in even more danger than she already was.

 

[SpideyK]

That's like saying Batman is to blame for the Joker killing Robin (Jason Todd) because Robin defied Batman's orders and went after the Joker by himself and got killed.

Robin knew it was too dangerous to go after Joker solo. Batman told him not to. He did anyway. And he died. He's as blameless as Spider-Man is for Gwen defying him and going to the Electro battleground.

Good analogy. You have somewhat convinced me.

You need to understand that I'm not saying Gwen isn't responsible for her own death, though. All I'm saying is that there's more to it than just that.

 

[W/ Great Power]

Okay everybody, plot twist:

It's nobody's fault but the cop who let Gwen take his car.
















Your mind has just been blown.

 

[The Joker]

Peter really didn't have a choice but to see what Harry was going to do. He also didn't know what he was capable of doing. If he tried to get Gwen while Harry was between them, Harry probably would've killed her right then and there. Going after her would have put her in even more danger than she already was.

This is also true.

Good analogy. You have somewhat convinced me.

You need to understand that I'm not saying Gwen isn't responsible for her own death, though. All I'm saying is that there's more to it than just that.

Ok, but I'm boggled to see how. If Peter had any direct influence on making Gwen make the choice she made, I would be agreeing 100%. But he didn't. He did the opposite. He tried verbally and physically stopping her.

But Gwen was all like 'This is MY choice, not yours or anyone else's'. Clear spelling out to the audience that she's there because she wants to be in spite of what Peter says. And when someone does something of their own choice without any influencing from you, then you're not to blame for any consequences of that choice.

It's very clear cut and straight forward. You stand by the decisions and choices you make. Even if you regret them afterward you have to cop the blame for making them in the first place.

 

[Spider-knight]

Hey could someone tell me the timelines in the film because Peter and Gwen wore coats in the summer I suppose and people have stated that it has been a year and it looked as though in one scene where Peter looks at the tv Screen it seems as though he's in college

 

[Daltonio]

Okay everybody, plot twist:

It's nobody's fault but the cop who let Gwen take his car.
















Your mind has just been blown.

 

[SpideyK]

@Joker

The "this is my choice" line definitely made it very clear that it was, indeed; her choice, yeah. Thus, kinda her fault, as well.

I'm almost with you on this, and I think that's about as far as we're gonna get. I don't want this to turn into another Spider-Man's-Blues-On-This-Costume-In-SM2-type-thing. Which was hilarious when I look back on it, lol.

 

[The Joker]

@Joker

The "this is my choice" line definitely made it very clear that it was, indeed; her choice, yeah. Thus, kinda her fault, as well.

I'm almost with you on this, and I think that's about as far as we're gonna get. I don't want this to turn into another Spider-Man's-Blues-On-This-Costume-In-SM2-type-thing. Which was hilarious when I look back on it, lol.

I'll take almost with me

But I'll argue this to the death with anyone. It's just insanity to suggest Peter was to blame in any way when the poor guy didn't do anything to influence this, all he did was try to stop the silly girl from doing what she did. Gwen clearly wore the trousers in that relationship

 

[Majik1387]

Gwen's death was Harry's fault alone.

 

[W/ Great Power]

He spent 5 months at her grave because he really misses her and has not gotten over losing her. If he does have a guilty conscience in the third movie then he is needlessly punishing himself for something that wasn't his fault. He just has to keep reminding himself that he tried to stop Gwen, she defied him, and she told him it is her own choice she was there.

That's why he should have a clear conscience. He didn't do anything to make Gwen go there and get killed.

I see what you're saying, and even though some people think he logically shouldn't have a guilty conscience in TASM3, I hope they still show it.

No matter who's at fault, you have to imagine losing the love of your life and the woman you declare as your "path." She might be responsible for being there, but I can still easily see him being tormented in the next film (for a little while, at least), and I'll perfectly be okay with that.

 

[Spider-knight]

Can someone explain to me the timeline with the film?