The Amazing Spider-Man 2 Does this movie really deserve the hate it gets?

[Spider-knight]

I'm guessing Knight might've gotten the idea from the fact that Gilligan wrote Hancock, or something.

No, it's because Vince is an incredible writer who created one of the best damn shows in history. Also I hope he's into spiderman as well like you guys said because we need great writers who are also big on the wall crawler

 

[A Necessary Evil]

I'm guessing Knight might've gotten the idea from the fact that Gilligan wrote Hancock, or something.

Which...wasn't that good. Lol

 

[SpideyK]

No, it's because Vince is an incredible writer who created one of the best damn shows in history. Also I hope he's into spiderman as well like you guys said because we need great writers who are also big on the wall crawler

I see.

Well, just because he's good at writing Breaking Bad episodes, doesn't mean he's good at writing CBMs. They're two very different things.

Which...wasn't that good. Lol

I know. I just meant that it was a superhero movie, which might've been why he thought it'd be a good idea to have Gilligan write ASM3.

Apparently not, though.

 

[A Necessary Evil]

Tbf, as much as I love Gilligan...alot of BrBa's success has to do with other writers and dumb luck. He originally wanted Jesse to die during the first season. I do love him, but his backup writers helped alot.

 

[Spider-knight]

Tbf, as much as I love Gilligan...alot of BrBa's success has to do with other writers and dumb luck. He originally wanted Jesse to die during the first season. I do love him, but his backup writers helped alot.

well sometimes there are writers that are just so damn good in every episodes it's just hard to find them. and really? jesse was suppose to die? well thank god that didn't happen because that woulod've ruin any emotion happening into the show and jesse is one of my favorite characters of all time.

but anyway, any writers from each episode do you think would work best with the wall crawler?

 

[A Necessary Evil]

Idk, none really...they're all so different. If I had to choose...I don't know. Gimme some time.

 

[Spider-knight]

What are your thoughts on Lisa joy Nolan writing for black cat? I read that she wrote some great episodes of burn notice and pushing daisies. Any thoughts guys?

 

[NewYorkSpider]

Haven't seen any of her work. Still too early to tell how that film will play out. I think it's still a bad idea to begin with.

 

[LizardMan07]

The movie is at least 150% better if you watch it at 2x speed.

The only reason you guys hate it is because the playback speed isn't high enough.

A travesty I say.

 

[W/ Great Power]

The movie is at least 150% better if you watch it at 2x speed.

The only reason you guys hate it is because the playback speed isn't high enough.

A travesty I say.

Not sure if you're serious?

Sounds like a good idea... if under the influence...

 

[Dominikkus]

Honestly, to your question, no. It doesn't. Like you said, all movies have their flaws and weaknesses, this on is no exception, but there is no need for the amount of hate that it receives to be cast on it regardless of the slight flaws it might have. To be quite honest, I feel like TASM2 was better than the TASM and was very successful. It was executed very well and satisfied the entire theater every time I saw it (5 times in theaters). But, everyone to their own.

 

[Radu Molasar]

I wanted to like both the The Amazing Spider-Man movies, there are things about them that I like but I was ultimately let down by both, especially the sequel.

 

[Erzengel]

So I went back and looked at my posts in 2009 - 2011. I was "debating" posters who said that X-Men Origins: Wolverine was enjoyable and better than X-Men: The Last Stand.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

So I went back and looked at my posts in 2009 - 2011. I was "debating" posters who said that X-Men Origins: Wolverine was enjoyable and better than X-Men: The Last Stand.

They must have made for some funny debates lol.

 

[Erzengel]

I got a lot, "sorry you didn't like it, but it entertained me smiley face. That's what's great that we can state our opinions." :roll eyes:

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

Another aspect that disappointed me at this movie is that thinking about it, it's a rather poor adaptation of "The Night Gwen Stacy Died," intent wise.

Think about the original story. Norman finds out Peter's identity and kidnaps Peter's fiance Gwen, who had nothing to do with the situation, and then later drops her off the Brooklyn Bridge when going up against Spider-Man. Peter tries to save her and believes he did when he got his webbing around her but her neck snaps, thus making it Peter's greatest moment of irresponsibility. It was his fault Gwen died.

Amazing Spider-Man 2 goes out of their way to not make it Peter's fault. Gwen came back to him in the beginning. Also, Peter webbed Gwen to a car to keep her away from the danger! Gwen decided to go to the danger zone (Danger Zone!&#9834 herself, and had a freaking police officer drive her!

After electro is defeated, Harry arrives and assumes that Peter is Spider-Man because Gwen is there, which makes me go "Really, you finally realized it's Spider-Man?", and take her. One problem I find with this is that Gwen is literally not only the only girl around there, but she is the only person other than Spider-Man around there. Harry would have done that to any person in that situation. It doesn't feel like it was personal because Harry was going insane.

Now, here is what I feel is the biggest problem with the scene. Before I go on, I will say that the death scene was well done. You definitely feel for Peter when Gwen dies. But the biggest problem is that she died because her head hit the pavement, not because Peter didn't web her head and her neck snapped from the whiplash. Peter wasn't directly responsible for her death like he was in the original story. Surely, if he did she would still be alive, but the movie never explicitly state and non-readers will never make that assumption.

These changes turn the story, which was a groundbreaking story dealing with Peter's greatest act of irresponsibility and turns it into a a regular (and thin) "I just didn't save the girl in time" story.

well sometimes there are writers that are just so damn good in every episodes it's just hard to find them. and really? jesse was suppose to die? well thank god that didn't happen because that woulod've ruin any emotion happening into the show and jesse is one of my favorite characters of all time.

Jesse living was the only good thing to come out of the 2007 Writers strike. The first season was supposed to be 9 episodes, not 7 but they only had 7 scripts completed before the strike. After the first season aired, Gilligan realized how popular Jesse was and decided against killing him off because fans felt a connection to him.

 

[ThatSpiderGuy]

I still dont think this deserves the amount of hate that it gets

 

[Tequilla]

No.

No movie deserves to generate hate. So if this one does (i have no idea) , it shouldn't.

What this movie deserves is to be compacted , solidified in concrete (or bitumen) , and sealed inside a stainless-steel container that are entombed far below the Earth's surface at government-approved sites.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

I got a lot, "sorry you didn't like it, but it entertained me smiley face. That's what's great that we can state our opinions." :roll eyes:

lol well anyone can state their opinions even if they didn't like it. It sounds like those people just could not think of anything to say to defend it.

Another aspect that disappointed me at this movie is that thinking about it, it's a rather poor adaptation of "The Night Gwen Stacy Died," intent wise.

Think about the original story. Norman finds out Peter's identity and kidnaps Peter's fiance Gwen, who had nothing to do with the situation, and then later drops her off the Brooklyn Bridge when going up against Spider-Man. Peter tries to save her and believes he did when he got his webbing around her but her neck snaps, thus making it Peter's greatest moment of irresponsibility. It was his fault Gwen died.

Amazing Spider-Man 2 goes out of their way to not make it Peter's fault. Gwen came back to him in the beginning. Also, Peter webbed Gwen to a car to keep her away from the danger! Gwen decided to go to the danger zone (Danger Zone!&#9834 herself, and had a freaking police officer drive her!

After electro is defeated, Harry arrives and assumes that Peter is Spider-Man because Gwen is there, which makes me go "Really, you finally realized it's Spider-Man?", and take her. One problem I find with this is that Gwen is literally not only the only girl around there, but she is the only person other than Spider-Man around there. Harry would have done that to any person in that situation. It doesn't feel like it was personal because Harry was going insane.

Now, here is what I feel is the biggest problem with the scene. Before I go on, I will say that the death scene was well done. You definitely feel for Peter when Gwen dies. But the biggest problem is that she died because her head hit the pavement, not because Peter didn't web her head and her neck snapped from the whiplash. Peter wasn't directly responsible for her death like he was in the original story. Surely, if he did she would still be alive, but the movie never explicitly state and non-readers will never make that assumption.

These changes turn the story, which was a groundbreaking story dealing with Peter's greatest act of irresponsibility and turns it into a a regular (and thin) "I just didn't save the girl in time" story.

Agreed. It was also Gwen's fault because she was there when Peter had tried to stop her already.

No.

No movie deserves to generate hate. So if this one does (i have no idea) , it shouldn't.

What this movie deserves is to be compacted , solidified in concrete (or bitumen) , and sealed inside a stainless-steel container that are entombed far below the Earth's surface at government-approved sites.

lol.

 

[redhawk23]

Tbf, as much as I love Gilligan...alot of BrBa's success has to do with other writers and dumb luck. He originally wanted Jesse to die during the first season. I do love him, but his backup writers helped alot.

It was Aaron Paul's performance that made him reverse that decision though. However, quite honestly for long stretches of that show they had nothing for Jesse to do.

 

[Vincanws]

I just watched this for the first time so it's pretty fresh:

The first 8 mins or so with Peter's dad was pretty good I thought.
Some great action sequences
I didn't much like the Spider Man 'quips' during those scenes.. **appy writing imo,
"hello pedestrians"..

"..not a shaker, are you a hugger?"... killer goes "I am a killeeer!" etc. bleh

Emma Stone as Gwen Stacy was fine acting-wise, as was Andrew. The scene where Peter's lamenting Gwen's father was good for instance.

Jamie Foxx as the angry nerd/geek scientist Max with the bad hair was pretty badly done in act 1 and I didn't like the intro, his talking to himself stuff and his portrayal seemed to shift around a bit. For instance in the lift with Gwen I thought he was better as was mostly a straight up pissed off person with an axe to grind. I blame this more on the writing/direction than Jamie as an actor though, because we all know he can act, right?

The whole '10 years gap' thing with Peter not seeing Harry Osborne felt.. just a bit odd. Harry himself says "random".. I think most of us felt the same way? Their should have been more back story before then I think. Speaking of Harry Osborne, hmm, I guess it was fine, but he portrays brat pretty well.

I'd give a 6/10 - so yeah, deserved of criticism but not terrible.

 

[Frodo]

I think the difference between ASM and ASM2 is that ASM basically told a story that could be told in a two hour odd film. It wasn't trying to set up sequels or squeeze epic story arcs into one film. I know some people feel ASM even had too much going on, but they had a basic origin story without the need for all that much set up when it really came down to it. They were able to imo, balance Peter's journey to becoming Spiderman with the villains ties to Peter's family, in addition to the Stacy family.

ASM2 in addition to its attempt to set up a CU , tried to plants the seeds for Sinister Six, formally introduce the Osborns,wrap up the parents storyline, have several villains(I include the Oscorp and Ravencroft characters), and attempted to adapt the Night Gwen stacy died in the last 20 minutes of the film.

As has been said basically by everyone, even alot of those who liked the film, they tried to do too much. In alot of ways the reaction to ASM 2 reminds me of Spiderman 3 and Superman Returns . Both film initially received a polarized reaction from fans and to an extent the critics ,but as time went on the consensus became that those films had fallen short.

I still think there are some decent bits in the film, and it would have been a total bust if not for Stone and Garfield, but the film is a mess. I think one of the legecies of the film , in terms of the Spiderman film canon, is gonna be the tragic love story of Gwen and Peter.

 

[Indy Flash]

I think stone and Garfield are better than dunst and Toby in my opinion but everyone has theirs.

 

[Lantern Venom]

Another aspect that disappointed me at this movie is that thinking about it, it's a rather poor adaptation of "The Night Gwen Stacy Died," intent wise.

Think about the original story. Norman finds out Peter's identity and kidnaps Peter's fiance Gwen, who had nothing to do with the situation, and then later drops her off the Brooklyn Bridge when going up against Spider-Man. Peter tries to save her and believes he did when he got his webbing around her but her neck snaps, thus making it Peter's greatest moment of irresponsibility. It was his fault Gwen died.

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The movie and comic have the same basic sentiment with Gwen's death. In the comic, it was her momentum that killed her. Spidey reacted and did the best he could, but it was just a little to far away for him to safely nab her with his webbing. In TASM 2, he tried his best, but he was a second too late.

It's the same sentiment that is explored in so many super hero comics. Sometimes, despite the most authentic efforts of the hero, there are still victims. Batman: Venom played up this idea very well when Bats was unable to save a little girl. Even if it isn't truly his/her fault, the hero/heroine will feel responsible because of his/her morality.

 

[sl500jazz]

Another aspect that disappointed me at this movie is that thinking about it, it's a rather poor adaptation of "The Night Gwen Stacy Died," intent wise.

Think about the original story. Norman finds out Peter's identity and kidnaps Peter's fiance Gwen, who had nothing to do with the situation, and then later drops her off the Brooklyn Bridge when going up against Spider-Man. Peter tries to save her and believes he did when he got his webbing around her but her neck snaps, thus making it Peter's greatest moment of irresponsibility. It was his fault Gwen died.

These changes turn the story, which was a groundbreaking story dealing with Peter's greatest act of irresponsibility and turns it into a a regular (and thin) "I just didn't save the girl in time" story.

Uncle Ben's death was Peter' s greatest moment of irresponsibility. It taught him what happens when he uses his powers for selfish reasons and chooses not to act. Gwen's death is the exact opposite. It taught him what could happen even when he does act. He was behaving responsibly and doing the best that he could do under the circumstances. The tragedy of it is that, in spite of all of that, she still dies. Sometimes, bad things happen to good people, but it's important to continue pushing on and doing good no matter the outcome because, ultimately, if Peter hadn't acted, Gwen would've died anyway. At least he tried.

That being said, I agree that this was a rather mediocre adaptation. It just seemed... superficial and aimless lacking the ethos and gravitas that these stories had in the source material. It's like they just decided to do it because it happened in the comics and wasn't done in the previous trilogy, without really digging any deeper.