Dreamworks/Paramount's Ghost In The Shell - Part 2

[OutOfBoose]

The Matrix did that 20 years ago.

The Matrix isn't a Ghost in the Shell adaptation.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

The Matrix isn't a Ghost in the Shell adaptation.

During their pitch to WB, they literally showed them Ghost in the Shell.

Also if you are going to go in with the idea that something cannot be surpassed, of course it won't be. Still not sure what about the original makes it unable to be surpassed. Its good, its moody, but it doesn't exactly have the best writing and has a lot of style over substance to it.

 

[OutOfBoose]

During their pitch to WB, they literally showed them Ghost in the Shell.

And it makes sense, because The Matrix was influenced by Ghost in the Shell in terms of action and aesthetic. But the subject is entirely different.

Also if you are going to go in with the idea that something cannot be surpassed, of course it won't be. Still not sure what about the original makes it unable to be surpassed. Its good, its moody, but it doesn't exactly have the best writing and has a lot of style over substance to it.

As I stated in the post on the previous page, I don't think '95 cannot be surpassed. They just didn't in this particular case. And they didn't even try, because they were more interested in recreating 20 years old visuals and sound.

Also, give me an example of style over substance in '95 film.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

And it makes sense, because The Matrix was influenced by Ghost in the Shell in terms of action and aesthetic. But the subject is entirely different.

Actually considering the concept of consciousness and what it means to be "alive" are a big part of The Matrix, that is very similar subject matter.

As I stated in the post on the previous page, I don't think '95 cannot be surpassed. They just didn't in this particular case. And they didn't even try, because they were more interested in recreating 20 years old visuals and sound.

Also, give me an example of style over substance in '95 film.

Well, the entire movie really. I do like the philosophizing, but that is really all it is. Philosophizing. It ask questions it never gets close to answering. You don't end the movie on the joining without exploring it. And yet they do.

 

[OutOfBoose]

Actually considering the concept of consciousness and what it means to be "alive" are a big part of The Matrix, that is very similar subject matter.

I'd rather say blurred line between humans and machines is perhaps the closest thing they have, but it can be said about all sci-fi films, that feature machines. In The Matrix it's not the prime theme. It focuses on the concept of reality, free will, fate, religion. The world of the Matrix overall can be just about anything, because it's a very powerful concept. It can explore any theme.

Ghost in the Shell is about individuality, memory, said blurred line between humans and machines. Blade Runner and Robocop have much more in common with Ghost in the Shell, than The Matrix.

Well, the entire movie really. I do like the philosophizing, but that is really all it is. Philosophizing. It ask questions it never gets close to answering. You don't end the movie on the joining without exploring it. And yet they do.

Perhaps we put different meaning into "style over substance". For me it's pretty visuals, that have little to do with the narrative. For example, close up of a dripping water tap in Batman v Superman. Or Aquaman slo-mo mid jump with a pretty swing of the trident in Justice League.

 

[jed]

Just got back from watching it. It was awesome. Great story and cinematography.

I like how...

Spoiler

at first you thought Kuze is the bad guy. But it turns out he is a victim, and one of the good guys.

And one of the good guys, Cutter turn out to be the real bad guy.

I like the geisha robots attack scene and the water fight scene.

One of the geishas after attacked by the Major, crawls away like a spider "exorcist".

 

[jed]

Regarding Kuze,....I was disappointed...

Spoiler

he doesn't have much to do. And in the final battle with the "spider" robot, he simply just let the Major fights the robot all by herself. He never really help the Major fight the spider robot.

He just lay down there like a dead person the whole time, and in the end got fired by bullets from the helicopter?? The character could have more things to do.

 

[jed]

And Batou looks like Cable from the X men.

 

[Mandon Knight]

Booked tickets for tomorrow night, excited.

 

[harlequinade]

The standout was definitely Mansell's score which was terrific. Euron Greyjoy actor was also very good and MVP, Binoche did what she could and so did Scarlett, I am not familiar with the original or source material but it seemed to me they really couldn't do more, the story was interesting but all the attempts to make the characters sympathetic were really superficial I did feel sympathy for Major and Batou but I didn't fiercely root for them like I did for people in Logan (and by the way seeing something mediocre GitS only made Logan look more excellent)

 

[Black Narcissus]

Eh, will get some hate for this, I prefer this to the anime film.

There. You can meet me at a popeyes parkinglot, if ya'll want to fight.

 

[OutOfBoose]

BvS and SS have their admirers. Ghost in the Shell: Pot-head Edition will too.

 

[I Am The Knight]

*Chants in japanese*

 

[culver3vlr22]

Eh, will get some hate for this, I prefer this to the anime film.

There. You can meet me at a popeyes parkinglot, if ya'll want to fight.

Popeyes is the shizznit

 

[Lily Adler]

Grace Randolph called this film "boring and racist". I may not agree with her so much, but this claim is a little extreme even for her.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

BvS and SS have their admirers. Ghost in the Shell: Pot-head Edition will too.

Every version of Ghost in the Shell is for stoners.

Even the cerebral, navel gazing stuff.

 

[Black Narcissus]

Grace Randolph called this film "boring and racist". I may not agree with her so much, but this claim is a little extreme even for her.

How Grace Randolph body look like? Now i'm curious. I can deal with annoying, if she hnnngh.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Eh, will get some hate for this, I prefer this to the anime film.

There. You can meet me at a popeyes parkinglot, if ya'll want to fight.

We can fight after we enjoy some chicken.

 

[OutOfBoose]

GitSINO won't start cyberpunk renaissance, but maybe BR49 will.

 

[culver3vlr22]

Every version of Ghost in the Shell is for stoners.

Even the cerebral, navel gazing stuff.

Every film is for stoners.

We truly see the film. ☺️

 

[OutOfBoose]

Every film is for stoners.

We truly see the film. ☺️

That's what I'm talking about. But in case of GitSINO it's a requirement. Otherwise you won't see poetry and depth of the new film.

 

[Wildcard]

Every film is for stoners.

We truly see the film. ☺️

So, so, so very true.

Still gonna wait this one out but glad to see people saying positive things about it.

 

[Bats123]

Grace Randolph called this film "boring and racist". I may not agree with her so much, but this claim is a little extreme even for her.

No one should take Grace Randolph seriously, just awful.

 

[Leenie]

Don't have much of a desire to see this in theaters, but I'll certainly check it out at some point when it's available on Netflix or Amazon Prime.

One of my friends, who is a big fan of the original movie, saw this film last night and said he loved it. *shrug*

I'm not trusting the critics on this one, to be honest. Considering the "controversy," I bet a lot of critics felt compelled to write bad reviews ... Just like how all of their positive reviews for the truly, painfully awful Ghostbusters remake seemed like they had guns held to their heads to say what they said.

Also, Grace Randolph is a dimwit. One of my least favorite film critics on YouTube.

 

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Don't have much of a desire to see this in theaters, but I'll certainly check it out at some point when it's available on Netflix or Amazon Prime.

One of my friends, who is a big fan of the original movie, saw this film last night and said he loved it. *shrug*

I'm not trusting the critics on this one, to be honest. Considering the "controversy," I bet a lot of critics felt compelled to write bad reviews ... Just like how all of their positive reviews for the truly, painfully awful Ghostbusters remake seemed like they had guns held to their heads to say what they said.

Also, Grace Randolph is a dimwit. One of my least favorite film critics on YouTube.

If Ghostbusters had got amazing reviews there might be some truth to that, but the reviews are very middle of the road, just like the film. It wasn't horrible, but neither was it memorable or needed. Women who starred on that film got insane hate for it, so I really don't see how anyone could consider those "meh" reviews as the worst thing to come out of the whole thing.

GitS though, the "controversy" is well deserved. I haven't seen the film yet but I've seen the spoilers and this **** is downright offensive. I don't have a problem with Death Note, but they definitely crossed the line here and made something wildly stupid.

I personally like Grace, even if I disagree with her on every second film. She's very opinionated and has some weird ideas so I understand why she would get on people's nerves.