The Amazing Spider-Man Dunst "Definitely on board" Spider-Man 4

[DACrowe]

That was loosely talking. I do believe the franchise is wearing thin. SM4 should end it on a grace note. As for "reboot in 10 years" I was just speaking loosely, as they will pick it up one day, but it needs a rest.

 

[spider-neil]

end at 4 and then wait 10 years to reboot? Wow... Please dont ever be in charge of controlling a multi-billion dollar entity.

lol!

 

[SpideyTheBest]

To be honest, Lizard and Kraven will be pretty boring villains if they really are going to be in the film. I never really liked them. I prefer to see Mysterio, Electro and Vulture. We got very lame villains in Spider-Man 3(Sandman is a great villain but he was terrible in the film, Harry was a good villain but the whole amnesia thing ruined his story alot, and Venom will always be a boring villain to me).

Hopefully, they could do something interesting with Lizard and Kraven if they are the villains in the film. And I hope they have two villains in the film. If Lizard is the only one it will be dull.

 

[FaT_tONle]

Trust me if you recast in SM4 the franchise will be written off. Before anyone mentions Rachel Dawes, no one really liked her (and yes the mainstream liked MJ in the first two movies, because they never read the comics) and it a recast after only one movie. This maintains credibility for the franchise.

I hope he is wrong about the marriage, I think SM4 should be the last one. Get them married at the end, end the franchise right and then wait a decade and reboot.

As for the villain, glad to hear it is not a vampire. Raimi yanking fans' chains, what a surprise.

I'm hoping Lizard...a giant monster in the sewers that tears crap up like subways and stuff? Sounds like NYC in movies.

I am with you spare the marriage aspect. But does anyone honestly expect Raimi/Tobey to return for 5-6? Anything is possible, but I say no chance in hell they come back. But as far as definitively concluding the series with something like that... unnecessary. Leave the ending open ended for a change, like TDK did. I don't think we need to see MJ/Peter living happily ever after. Sort of like SM1's ending but not as open ended.

 

[spider-neil]

To be honest, Lizard and Kraven will be pretty boring villains if they really are going to be in the film. I never really liked them. I prefer to see Mysterio, Electro and Vulture. We got very lame villains in Spider-Man 3(Sandman is a great villain but he was terrible in the film, Harry was a good villain but the whole amnesia thing ruined his story alot, and Venom will always be a boring villain to me).

Hopefully, they could do something interesting with Lizard and Kraven if they are the villains in the film. And I hope they have two villains in the film. If Lizard is the only one it will be dull.

I think if done correctly the lizard could be briiliant, play up the jackel and hyde aspect and have some serious conflict of conners wanting to surpress the monster but at the same time wanting to be whole.
also there is an oppertunity to blame spidey for all the harm lizard does because the idea of spidey being loved by the city is just wrong.

also the fight sequences can be awesome because both hero and villian can cling to any surfice and unlike any villian spidey has faced before the villian will have no problem eating him or anyone else who gets in his way.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

SM2 and 3 are the only development of the Conners character. SM-1 was just a nod to the fans, nothing more.

Technically, Connor's was around in the first film. We just didn't see him.

ALso, Joker, as for talking sense, I think have lost my mind, so that's kind of hard. ......

t:

 

[david icke]

It's not established in SM-1 that Peter was a student of Conners. Peter simply said he worked for him.

The only impression we got of Conners in SM-1 was that he fired Peter for being late all the time. That's it.

That doesn't take away anything from what I said. We saw that they had a teacher/pupil relationship in SM2 and 3. In SM1 we know he worked for Conners, the working environs being different from the lecture room, they would have had conversations and Conners would have picked him over other candidates.

 

[The Joker]

That doesn't take away anything from what I said.

Of course it does. There was no establishment of who Conners was to Peter, or what the nature of their relationship was in SM-1. To put it simply there was no development here of the character. There wasn't even a character to speak of. As someone else mentioned, it was just a nod to the fans. He was just a name of an employer who fired Peter for being continuously late.

He might as well have been Mr Aziz the pizza guy.

 

[david icke]

SM2 and SM3 are the only developments for the Conner character. SM 1 was a nod to the fans, nothing more.

Yeah, sure, they could've established Pete's Spidey activities getting in the way of his life by saying he'd been fired from some pizza job, but they chose Conners. But, I'd say it also worked as a, however slight, character development for a possible future appearance, whether by accident or design.

 

[david icke]

Of course it does. There was no establishment of who Conners was to Peter, or what the nature of their relationship was in SM-1. To put it simply there was no development here of the character. There wasn't even a character to speak of. As someone else mentioned, it was just a nod to the fans. He was just a name of an employer who fired Peter for being continuously late.

He might as well have been Mr Aziz the pizza guy.

Funny you mentioned the pizza guy, i just did in my reply to Jersey Joker above. Yeah, I know what you are saying, and in my reply to JJ I answered this to an extent.
By accident or design, it served as a tiny small slight piece of character development that worked towards establishing the relationship between Peter and Doc Conners and how that developed beyond the usual teacher/pupil relationship.

edit; Ok, i see what you mean, he wasn't Pete's teacher, and teh GA won't assume that, but when he shows up in SM2 folk can think, oh that's the guy who Pete worked for in SM1, even though he fired Pete in SM1 he still likes/believesin/helps him.

 

[Reikowolf]

This may also tie into how Raimi said that TDK changed things for comic book movies

Perhaps SM4 will venture into how Spider-Man has had an effect on organized crime in new york.

There's a lot there.

Silvermane
Hammer Head
King Pin (I know about Fox but still it would be great)

If the movies take a page from the new animated series, the enforcers may even be tied to some of Spidey's villains

Shocker
Rhino
Ricochet.

 

[Reikowolf]

I just hope the plot moves away from

Spider-Man is a threat
lets find out who he is and kidnap his woman

 

[LegendaryCaleb]

I want Mysterio dangit!

 

[SpideyTheBest]

I want Mysterio dangit!

I agree! I love fishbawl-head!

 

[FaT_tONle]

This may also tie into how Raimi said that TDK changed things for comic book movies

Perhaps SM4 will venture into how Spider-Man has had an effect on organized crime in new york.

There's a lot there.

Silvermane
Hammer Head
King Pin (I know about Fox but still it would be great)

If the movies take a page from the new animated series, the enforcers may even be tied to some of Spidey's villains

Shocker
Rhino
Ricochet.

So in other words Spiderman has to become more like Batman... guess that's the trend we can expect with these films the next few years. Can't wait for Thor to come to Earth and lay the law on some mob figures in his movie as well...

 

[Reikowolf]

So in other words Spiderman has to become more like Batman... guess that's the trend we can expect with these films the next few years. Can't wait for Thor to come to Earth and lay the law on some mob figures in his movie as well...

heh,

its like the matrix effect, when that movie came out, every movie tried to copy it.

Still, Spider-Man has its own mob history. which is definitely different from batman's

where batman is waging a war on organized crime, spider-man has only tried to make a difference where he can. he doesnt keep files on villains.

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

I just hope the plot moves away from

Spider-Man is a threat
lets find out who he is and kidnap his woman

Yes that is one of the few things I have absolutely hated about the movies. Every single one MJ manages to be captured by the villain and used as bait.

 

[Cmill216]

The villain will be the New York Giants backfield.

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

The villain will be the New York Giants backfield.

Meh. I still say Eli Manning should have been the villain.

 

[American_Hobo]

Well, again with a news that tells absolutely nothing about the villains.
Every Spiderman villains are very New York centric and big part of New York.
But I'm disappointed about Dunst on the board again...........-_-

 

[SpaceWay2009]

As long there are no complaining and no excessive drama between MJ and Peter, I'm fine with her coming back. Just keep it fresh and develop her character more than just Peter's girlfriend who struggles with her career.

 

[DACrowe]

To be honest, Lizard and Kraven will be pretty boring villains if they really are going to be in the film. I never really liked them. I prefer to see Mysterio, Electro and Vulture. We got very lame villains in Spider-Man 3(Sandman is a great villain but he was terrible in the film, Harry was a good villain but the whole amnesia thing ruined his story alot, and Venom will always be a boring villain to me).

Hopefully, they could do something interesting with Lizard and Kraven if they are the villains in the film. And I hope they have two villains in the film. If Lizard is the only one it will be dull.

Really? I always thought Lizard was an A-lister with Spidey having to save his friend who is basically Mr. Hyde and at the same time feeling guilty for not stopping him from all the damage he has done. The parallels of Peter wanting to start a family with MJ and seeing what Lizard has done to the Connor family is interesting and he is visually awe-some.

Kraven if modeled after KLH is a great psychological villain about pride and rage and burying Spidey alive, with MJ thinking he is dead and perhaps he misses Aunt May on her death bed or something...all very interesting ideas. Plus it adds an angle that the villain doesn't want to kill Spidey, at least at first, but rather Spidey has to protect one villain from the other.

I always thought Vulture, Mysterio and Electro were bores. But to each their own, I guess.

 

[Sam Fisher]

So... Spider-Man's next adversary will be the Statue of Liberty?

 

[david icke]

I always thought Vulture, Mysterio and Electro were bores. But to each their own, I guess.

I kind of know what you mean. There was one good character story i read with Electro called 'Light up the night', the only one I can recall where he had any distinct character.
The Vulture had one or two I recall with ok character stuff, but nothing that special.
Mysterio looks great, but I was never that into him as a villan, always thought the sfx angle was a little too weak for Spidey.
But, in a movie they could be written into being decent characters somehow.
Mind you, I was wanting the Vulture in (alongside the Lizard) purely for the fact that arial battles would look great onscreen and he wouldn't have to have much of a backstory so you could concentrate the screentime on Conners/The Lizard's backstory.

As for Dunst back as MJ. As many people have said, they really need to change her dynamic in these movies for the 4th. No more being taken hostage by the villan. It would be so much better if she was just in Peter's life as his ex but as the one person who knows his secret, surely something interesting could be written along those lines. He doesn't need to have a gf or love interest at all in the movie, but they will probably give him one, if not MJ then Gwen Stacey. It sure would be a breath of fresh air to have a superhero movie without a love interest.

 

[FaT_tONle]

Electro, Vulture, Mysterio are just the next villains in the waiting line IMO... like what Sandman was. If it doesn't fit the story then don't use them. Sandman did not fit the story in SM3... or it fit a failed story if we are going to be technical. I personally think they'd require too much side plot to develop along side Lizard. I am not saying Kraven is the only option, but he is a villain that can just jump right in no sweat.