The Amazing Spider-Man Dunst "Definitely on board" Spider-Man 4

[david icke]

Electro, Vulture, Mysterio are just the next villains in the waiting line IMO... like what Sandman was. If it doesn't fit the story then don't use them. Sandman did not fit the story in SM3... or it fit a failed story if we are going to be technical. I personally think they'd require too much side plot to develop along side Lizard. I am not saying Kraven is the only option, but he is a villain that can just jump right in no sweat.

I like Kraven and love the Last Hunt story. But that is the problem I have with Kraven. I think I would want him to have a movie to himself along the lines of KLH, but maybe he is not good enough visually for a Spider-man movie to have the movie to himself. edit: So I'd want another villan in there, but one who wouldn't take away from teh Kraven character development, one who requires less storytime.)
Same kind of thing with the Lizard. If he's going to be a dumb monster I'd want some kind of intelligent villan that can talk to Spidey in he Lizard movie too.
I don't know if I'd want a Kraven/Lizard story as both their powers are kind of similar to a degree, both superstrong wall crawlers/jumpers basically. That's why I'd prefer the Vulture, two vastly different movie visuals.
As you say, it depend on the story and how you would fit them in to the best advantage dramatically, but I think you have to take into consideration the fact that you'd want to play with different visuals/superpowers onscreen. Even if you didn't like the story, the 3 villans in SM3 were all vastly different from one another visually.

 

[GoldGoblin]

A villain that can threaten the entire city of New York?
-Hydro Man:Can drown the entire city.

-The Tinkerer,gives all thugs high tech equipment making every normal thug a supervillain.

-Kingpin:A crime boss.

 

[Project862006]

lizard is a must how awesome would the nyc sewer battles be!!!

i got a cool scenario that lets dunst come back as MJ gives peter a new motivation and makes lizard seem more bad ass than any other villain in the SM Movie series.

I know they are ruling out Parker and Mary Jane marriage but lets throw that in here for the beginning of the film.Also have Connors transform into the Lizard and he comes out during the wedding and goes berserk crazy and kills MJ.Headlines of a lizard beast killing a woman on her wedding day would sure catch they eye of kraven when he reads it or hears it on tv.This would also make peter feel helpless that he cant save everyone or be that shinning light all the time when people are in need.Also givign him the motivation for revenge of a man killing the woman he loves.

 

[Spidey-Quad]

It's all my fault, I made Dunst my $itch while mak'in some eggs. Slapped her and told her to drop that lame as'n Parker. ***** cried on the bridge too, yo'll saw it. Then I made her dry up, de-tox n' bo'tox, lame skinny innie.
Now give me soon blond Bryce, that's what I'm say'n

 

[Spidey-Quad]

What the .... was I just thinking. Mystyerio muss'a gassed me

 

[GoldGoblin]

They might try and do what the tv show "The Spectacular Spider-Man" did when they had to use someone to replace the Kingpin when they couldn't use him,and make Kraven the crime boss who threatens the entire city.

I hope some of his henchmen are classic villains,the Chameleon could even be one.

 

[spider-neil]

It's all my fault, I made Dunst my $itch while mak'in some eggs. Slapped her and told her to drop that lame as'n Parker. ***** cried on the bridge too, yo'll saw it. Then I made her dry up, de-tox n' bo'tox, lame skinny innie.
Now give me soon blond Bryce, that's what I'm say'n

I think dunce in SM1 looked better than bryce in SM3. she just needs that deep red wig and a few burgers.

 

[Project862006]

bryce from ts looked fine

 

[FaT_tONle]

A villain that can threaten the entire city of New York?
-Hydro Man:Can drown the entire city.

Yeah go the MJ's ex-boyfriend route like TAS... let her get kidnapped and off we go...

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Lol. t:


Seriously, my mind is on fire thinking about who the Villian could be. Hmmmm...

 

[Spider-Ranger]

With "new york centric" they could mean "in the center of new york"... e.g. the Central Park! Maybe a great battle against the Lizard will take place there.

 

[DACrowe]

I kind of know what you mean. There was one good character story i read with Electro called 'Light up the night', the only one I can recall where he had any distinct character.
The Vulture had one or two I recall with ok character stuff, but nothing that special.
Mysterio looks great, but I was never that into him as a villan, always thought the sfx angle was a little too weak for Spidey.
But, in a movie they could be written into being decent characters somehow.
Mind you, I was wanting the Vulture in (alongside the Lizard) purely for the fact that arial battles would look great onscreen and he wouldn't have to have much of a backstory so you could concentrate the screentime on Conners/The Lizard's backstory.

As for Dunst back as MJ. As many people have said, they really need to change her dynamic in these movies for the 4th. No more being taken hostage by the villan. It would be so much better if she was just in Peter's life as his ex but as the one person who knows his secret, surely something interesting could be written along those lines. He doesn't need to have a gf or love interest at all in the movie, but they will probably give him one, if not MJ then Gwen Stacey. It sure would be a breath of fresh air to have a superhero movie without a love interest.

You see, I'm not sure why some fans are so adament about that. I do agree that we need to move away from formula and I too tire of the girlfriend who is kidnapped by the villain and has little else to do. However, love (or even the lack and aspiration for it) is a major part of most people's lives. And Spidey is the[/] EVERYDAY superhero. His love life has always been a major factor of the character. As John Romita Sr. said, "It's a soap opera that a superhero fight breaks out in every now and then."

I would be fine and very happy for their to be no love interest for Batman in the third film. But Spidey? He needs it, even if it is a hole in his life, somehow.

 

[Project862006]

have lizard kill MJ is the direction i want not just to get rid of dunst but just to shake up things bit in the spidey world and make things get more serious

 

[SpeterMan3]

Maybe Gwen... MJ shouldn't die.

 

[Sentinel X]

She's back...darn.
On the bright side, if Morbius were the villain and turned Kirsten into a vampire...less work for the make-up artist

Indeed, the perfect MJ!

 

[thejon93]

have lizard kill MJ is the direction i want not just to get rid of dunst but just to shake up things bit in the spidey world and make things get more serious

Yeah. I'd like to see them make a ballsy twist by having Gwen thrown from the bridge (ala the comics), only to be saved by Spider-Man to have Mary Jane killed instead to drive Peter's rage towards a particular villain to the edge. Maybe have it be The Lizard who kills Mary Jane to create a kind of "double jeopardy" feel in whether or not Peter will save his friend and mentor inside the monster. Or will Spider-Man end up killing the monster? I think that'd be a nice spin, if done right on-screen.

 

[sPiDeRmAn2o29]

has anyone bothered to pay attention to having kirsten come back for a part of the movie, notice the keyword and not the WHOLE movie.

I am 100 % sure that sony and sam are aware of how the fans feel about kirsten dunst and how much they favored bryce dallas in the third film.

lets go back with what happened in the third film... Peter and mj were having some serious issues especially with that upside down kiss with gwen. Common sense here is that I am sure that the movie will open up with gwen and peter together and in love while mj couldnt take the tragedy of what happened with harry and the stunt with gwen.

Remember that the stories always take place a few years later after the prior film. If Sam raimi is serious about bringing justice to the franchise then he has to deal with the stacys since they were already introduced in the last film. According to james cromwell's statement from the last film, his character will die in this film.

If its the case that the villian is kraven, then you dont have to introduce lizard as a villian because the character of doc conners was already developed in the past and the lizard isnt really a villian at all. He is an animal on the loose and a victim in this situation. Spiderman will try to find a way to bring back a friend to human form while Kraven seems fit to destroy it and hunt it down like an animal. In the process of the film while spider-man and lizard are fighting it out, debris falls and cap stacy pushes a kid out of the way to save him which costs his own life.

For obvious reasons gwen puts the blame on spider-man for it and as much as peter wants to tell her the truth, he cant face her. Once again another situation as to where he feels guilt and pressure like how he finally told aunt may the truth about who is responsible for his uncles death.

While spider-man is trying to do the right thing and kraven on the other hand wants to put a stop to the lizard, spidey fights with himself on whether or not kraven was right on stopping him before hand. I mean thats alot of emotional stuff right there because even though the lizard is out of control, its still peters professor and friend inside there. The question is what choice will he make before someone else gets hurt or worse ?

 

[Project862006]

yeah but that maybe a little to similar to tdk but i get your drift also didn't they do that in one spidey film already with saving mj or the bus of passengers

 

[Golgo-13]

The Scorpion is very New York centric. Gargan is from Brooklyn i believe..

I just hope it's The Lizard, and we get a story of him trying to turn the inhabitants of NY into Lizard creatures.

I hate the way they say Dunst will definitely be back, as if that's supposed to be good news to us.

 

[sPiDeRmAn2o29]

yeah but that maybe a little to similar to tdk but i get your drift also didn't they do that in one spidey film already with saving mj or the bus of passengers

in what way exactly ? They are two completely different stories...

joker ( nutcase causing chaos )

Two Face ( Da that goes batty, then becomes villian and wants revenge for what happed with rachel )

TWO DIFFERENT STORIES

if your trying to reach the similarities between batman feeling conflicted about saving harvey dent, he had a choice. Doc conners when turned into the lizard has NO CONTROL over it. its not like the joker was trying to hunt two face down, he was trying to turn the white night into the dark. His point of anarchy in the film was to prove that no matter how much of a good person you are, there is always a way of bringing that darker side out.

 

[Cartman Blues]

It's gonna be Cloverfield. I bet each and every one of you 10 dollars.

 

[redfirebird2008]

She's back...darn.
On the bright side, if Morbius were the villain and turned Kirsten into a vampire...less work for the make-up artist

Indeed, the perfect MJ!

Old snaggletooth strikes again!

 

[TheScarecrow]

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This may also tie into how Raimi said that TDK changed things for comic book movies

Perhaps SM4 will venture into how Spider-Man has had an effect on organized crime in new york.

There's a lot there.

Silvermane
Hammer Head
King Pin (I know about Fox but still it would be great)

I don't go to Spider-man movies to see him fighting suits. It works for Batman for a couple of reasons:
1. That's always been the tone of the comics.
2. He has the same physical strength as them, so even normal people are a physical challenge.

I don't think there's a challenge in it. Aside from that, I think Spider-man's mob villains are boring.

I hope he is wrong about the marriage, I think SM4 should be the last one. Get them married at the end, end the franchise right and then wait a decade and reboot.

No chance, there's nothing wrong with the franchise.

 

[Dog Logan]

She's back...darn.
On the bright side, if Morbius were the villain and turned Kirsten into a vampire...less work for the make-up artist

Indeed, the perfect MJ!

Is this picture real?

 

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