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I feel is bigger than that, Microsoft lacks passion.
It's not that Microsoft lacks passion, it's that they have other more important interests. The Xbox itself is an extension of Microsoft's internet goals. The only company that fully dedicates itself to the games is NintendoIsildur´s Heir;20437223 said:
You mean like EVERY COMPANY IN THE WORLD?
I wouldn't say that Sony has the passion the way Nintendo does. It's just that Sony and Microsoft look at the world through two completely different mindsets. The difference between Sony and Microsoft is that Sony is primarily a hardware company while Microsoft is primarily a software company.
But Rare really isn't a loss. Even before they were bought by Microsoft, Rare was on the decline. When Rare was making core games for the Xbox brand, it was nothing but bomb after bomb after bomb. And in 2007, the Stamper brothers left and most of the original guys who made Rare great were gone. But when Microsoft paid $375 million for the studio, they can't just shut it down, so they rightfully repurposed them.
Can you blame them considering how Kinect is a success?
I'll give you that.
I will flat out say that not buying BioWare and shutting down Ensemble were two of Microsoft's biggest mistakes in video games.
Rare needed Microsoft's restructuring. After bombs like Viva Pinata, Grabbed by the Ghoulies, Kameo, etc., Rare's performance was just unacceptable considering that Microsoft paid $375 million, 49% of which went to Microsoft's competitor.Looking at how Microsoft treated Ensemble and Rare, I'm sooo damn glad they didn't buy Bioware. Some people like to wag their finger at Bioware for letting EA have too much of an influence in the development of their games, but I shudder to think what state they would be in now if Microsoft bought them.
Personally, I'd love a 3rd entry into the Red Dead series and I think it will happen, but not probably not before GTA V.Technically, it'd be Red Dead 3.
But I'm with you on that, I prefer playing as good guys than as lowly criminals. Now if you give me the chance to play as a super villain, I'll go for that. But not some lame ass car jacker.
My God, you are a wise man.It's not that Microsoft lacks passion, it's that they have other more important interests. The Xbox itself is an extension of Microsoft's internet goals. The only company that fully dedicates itself to the games is Nintendo
You mean like EVERY COMPANY IN THE WORLD?
I wouldn't say that Sony has the passion the way Nintendo does. It's just that Sony and Microsoft look at the world through two completely different mindsets. The difference between Sony and Microsoft is that Sony is primarily a hardware company while Microsoft is primarily a software company.
Sony looks at content (Sony Music, Sony Pictures, SCE Worldwide Studios) as something to benefit it's hardware, providing content for Sony's proprietary formats CD and blu-ray, and hardware like the PlayStation and Walkman. And in the end, quality content supports the hardware. It's why Sony Music has some of the biggest artists of all time like Aerosmith, Johnny Cash, Michael Jackson, the 1990's Boy Bands, etc. It's why SCE Worldwide Studios pump out games like Uncharted, LittleBigPlanet, and God of War. It's why Sony Pictures wants the James Bond and Spider-Man franchises along with working with directors like David Fincher, Judd Apatow, and Stephen Spielberg, and stars like Will Smith and Adam Sandler.
Microsoft on the on the other hand looks at the world through the eyes of a software company. And right now, software companies like Google, Apple, Facebook, etc. are looking to dominate the Internet. Devices like the Xbox, Windows Phone, and Zune are just extensions of Microsoft attempting to do so. Unlike Sony, which needs it's hardware to thrive in order to survive, Microsoft has loftier goals.
But Rare really isn't a loss. Even before they were bought by Microsoft, Rare was on the decline. When Rare was making core games for the Xbox brand, it was nothing but bomb after bomb after bomb. And in 2007, the Stamper brothers left and most of the original guys who made Rare great were gone. But when Microsoft paid $375 million for the studio, they can't just shut it down, so they rightfully repurposed them.
Can you blame them considering how Kinect is a success?
I'll give you that.
I will flat out say that not buying BioWare and shutting down Ensemble were two of Microsoft's biggest mistakes in video games.
I´m sorry, but it still a sorry excuse.It's not that Microsoft lacks passion, it's that they have other more important interests. The Xbox itself is an extension of Microsoft's internet goals. The only company that fully dedicates itself to the games is Nintendo
Like i said, Microsoft killed Rare.....they started to suck the moment they got bought.
Except Sony isn't a person. It's a corporation, run by people with corporate mindsets. They aren't a small scale local business where the passion is required.Isildur´s Heir;20445077 said:
Kutaragi and Sony CEO Norio Ohga were more motivated by being embarrassed by Nintendo and the potential money they could make from the system over "passion."
No it's not. StarFox Adventures is pretty much the same game as Dinosaur Planet, and you know what, it would have still been an incredibly boring game even without the StarFox characters. Grabbed by the Ghoulies and Kameo: Elements of Power were originally meant to be GameCube games and guess what, they would have still sucked ass even if they remained GameCube games published by Nintendo. And Perfect Dark Zero would have still been underwhelming if it weren't published by Microsoft. So clearly, based on the fact that their GameCube game sucked. And games that started out as GameCube games also sucked, the evidence clearly points that Rare started to suck BEFORE Microsoft bought them out.Like i said, Microsoft killed Rare.....they started to suck the moment they got bought.
Before being bought they were on decline? Hardly.
You do know that Conker's Bad Fur Day for the N64 was made only two years before Grabbed by the Ghoulies, right?
And Perfect Dark was released the year before...and the year before Grabbed by the Ghoulies they released Star Fox Adventures (which was never meant to be a Star Fox game, but rather called Dinosaur Planet, featuring Saberman, one of their oldest characters)
Rare is the oldest developer still in existance.
They were founded by the Stamper brothers in 1982 and called Ultimate Play the Game, they were seen as the best developer in the 80´s, making games for several platforms, but officially born on the ZX Spectrum.
Then they changed they name to Rare in 1988 and the rest is history....Microsoft never gave them the respect they deserved, they only bought them because they were loved, not because of their quality.
So, of course that everyone that was anyone on that company left.
IMO, Rare is the biggest crime and best example of how little Microsoft care for this business, they maimed one of the best developers since ever, they destroyed a important part of video game history.
Am i being overdramatic...probably....but it´s true nevertheless.
With the way Microsoft attempted to hype it up, they wanted an instant success to mirror Nintendo's Pokemon franchise with sales going rather slowly until they made any money off of it. It failed to meet Microsoft's expectations. The only reason why it got a sequel was because of the amount of effort Microsoft put into it.
What are you talking about?
I totally agree, you don´t reward failure, but, i don´t see it being Rare´s fault, like i explained above.
I´m sorry, but is not a good analogy, Rare didn´t had a few hits, Rare had hits for more than 15 years.
Personally i have very fond memories of their games when they were called Ultimate Play the Game...Saber Wulf, Knight Lore, Knightmare, Gunfright, Knightshade.
I´m not going to argue about that i can´t say it wasn´t, but it doesn´t make any sense.
Honestly, i never played it, but it has 80% raking, so, it can´t be THAT bad.
Ummmm....yes you can. Especially with Grabbed by the Ghoulies. They would have been the same games if they were on Nintendo consoles and they would have still sucked. Nothing was really changed all that much except transitions to different consoles.Isildur´s Heir;20447631 said:
Most of Rare's talent was on the verge of leaving before the buyout by Microsoft.
Except almost all of their games would have been the same games, just on the GameCube instead of the Xbox. They would have still sucked.
Maybe we should blame I dunno....Peter Molyneux. They let him do whatever the hell he wants.
And just what does Microsoft do to pre-Kinect Rare and Lionhead? Oh yeah...they let them do what they wanted. The biggest difference is that Lionhead succeeded with Fable while Rare failed.
Most of the people that made Rare great were gone early on or before the Microsoft buyout. The Stamper Brothers finally left because Microsoft was done with them failing to produce a hit.
People didn't like it because it was boring. And stupid.
Except it is Rare's fault.
Microsoft did nurture Rare. Rare just utterly failed. If Microsoft kept Rare on a leash, they wouldn't have restructured Rare into a Kinect games factory, despite multiple failures.
