Ant-Man Edgar Wright Leaves Ant-Man!! - Part 1

[Rock Sexton]

That's not what the argument is. No one thinks that anything is riding on Ant-Man. They're just wondering if the way Marvel/Disney is handling this production says anything about how they will handle future productions. It has nothing to do with the importance of the franchise and everything to do with patterns of behavior and unexpected changes in those patterns.

So if the director leaves and you're worried about how Disney will handle Marvel from here on out, that means there's nothing riding on Ant-Man?

Please keep up with the comments you're making.

 

[Mike Murdock]

Ok now that Wright's gone. What's the selling points to an Ant-Man film? Is he a covert spy? Is he fighting a super villain? These are questions my nephews are asking me and sadly have no answers.

Obviously, we don't know what's changed. But, to me, the selling point is it's still a different movie from other movies. It's not a generic action movie or superhero movie. It's been billed for quite some time as a heist movie. Think Oceans 11 more than Captain America.

If your nephews are asking questions now, tell them to at least wait until there's a teaser trailer. Tell them it's way too soon to pre-judge anything.

 

[The Question]

So if the director leaves and you're worried about how Disney will handle Marvel from here on out, that means there's nothing riding on Ant-Man?

If the director leaves, I'm curious as to why he left and what that answer means for the future of how Disney will handle Marvel from here on out. Where does anything riding on Ant Man fall into that?

Please keep up with the comments you're making.

I am.

 

[C. Lee]

I feel Wright's departure is an excuse for fans to say "I'm not going to see Ant-Man." Was there any reason to see it anyway? Rudd? Douglas?

Yes.....I try to see all comic book related movies.

I would have watched/I will watch this movie when it comes out because I love comic book based movies. Having Paul Rudd in a movie has never made me run out and see it. Having Michael Douglas in a movie has been a deciding factor for seeing some for me. I have seen most of the movies that Wright has directed....but I couldn't have told you that he was the one that directed them until I looked him up on IMDB....so his not being the director doesn't bother me in the slightest.

 

[Rock Sexton]

If the director leaves, I'm curious as to why he left and what that answer means for the future of how Disney will handle Marvel from here on out. Where does anything riding on Ant Man fall into that?

Because if your wild and zany premature worries about paradigm shifts at Marvel actually materialize, then Ant-Man will have been the genesis. Capiche?

 

[babykhris]

That's not what the argument is. No one thinks that anything is riding on Ant-Man. They're just wondering if the way Marvel/Disney is handling this production says anything about how they will handle future productions. It has nothing to do with the importance of the franchise and everything to do with patterns of behavior and unexpected changes in those patterns.

People been waiting on gloom and doom every since Disney bought Marvel. The net instantly turned on Marvel when Wright left. Then a few hours later the Daredevil news came and I heard people say Marvel Studios is in trouble.

I think Disney were having worries about Ant-Man and the delays further that. Let's treat Ant-Man like is was. A commitment Feige made before the Disney deal. If it was shot during Phase one maybe it could have happened, but does it fit the current MCU vision??

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I genuinely hope that's the case. But since we don't know for sure, some folks are a bit concerned.

Yeah but even most of the past situations with directors or cast who were fired or asked not to return can have this same formula...

Some people (including the media) made some of these situations out to be bigger than they were

examples:

Johnson was hired specifically for his style of period work

Branagh never wanted to do a sequel

Fav"s never had a large problem and has continued to work for and with marvel since ironman 2

Lettier and Norton were the most notorious, but it was also marvels second film and norton wanted specifically quite alot of control and I cant fault marvel for not wanting that while they attempting to gear up for an avengers film with a connected universe....

As for the tdw director switch I think marvel just thought having the people who worked on game of thrones made sense. . And on paper it really does. .

As for actors... norton didnt want to play ball so that was his choice, howard recieved many complaints from fans so marvel replaced him...

And rourke and weaving basically decided after the film was complete that they hated playing the type of role they did and had no desire to do another film like it...

Rourke's I somewhat understood... but I felt like Weaving was acting a bit over dramatic


The fact of the matter is fans of either an actor, director, or writer are going to point the finger at marvel because the fact they think their idol is infalliable. And vice versa for marvel fans... when in fact its never that black and white

 

[The Question]

Because if you're wild and zany premature worries about paradigm shifts at Marvel actually materialize, then Ant-Man will have been the genesis. Capiche?

Okay, sure. But how does the relative importance of the brand factor into that?

People been waiting on gloom and doom every since Disney bought Marvel. The net instantly turned on Marvel when Wright left. Then a few hours later the Daredevil news came and I heard people say Marvel Studios is in trouble.

That's unfair, and I certainly wouldn't go that far. But I think it is fair to be a little concerned about what this means. This is pretty uncharacteristic of Marvel Studios to date.

I think Disney were having worries about Ant-Man and the delays further that. Let's treat Ant-Man like is was. A commitment Feige made before the Disney deal. If it was shot during Phase one maybe it could have happened, but does it fit the current MCU vision??

Maybe. I don't know.

 

[Rock Sexton]

Okay, sure. But how does the relative importance of the brand factor into that?

Because you're implying that the director of Ant-Man walking away will affect other directors coming aboard and fulfilling their artistic liberties due to strain placed by Disney. Hence by your theory they will look at Ant-Man as the reason not to want to be at Marvel in the first place.

Seriously man, now you're just being intellectually dishonest.

 

[Keyser Soze]

People been waiting on gloom and doom every since Disney bought Marvel. The net instantly turned on Marvel when Wright left. Then a few hours later the Daredevil news came and I heard people say Marvel Studios is in trouble.

I think Disney were having worries about Ant-Man and the delays further that. Let's treat Ant-Man like is was. A commitment Feige made before the Disney deal. If it was shot during Phase one maybe it could have happened, but does it fit the current MCU vision??

To be fair, I - and a lot of other people - have been putting the disclaimer of "if X-story is true" or something similar before most of their comments. When the only possible reason we had was the Reddit comment saying that it was due to Wright not being able to stay on schedule and manage a production of this size, then I was saying, "Well, if this report is true, I can see why Wright and Marvel parted ways, as the film is due out in a little over a year." Then, when the Latino Review report came out suggesting that it was down to Marvel suddenly making new demands at the 11th hour and bringing in scrubs from their in-house team to do a lackluster rewrite, I said, "Well, if this report is true, I can see why Wright wouldn't want to work in that environment, as it makes Marvel seem pretty difficult to work with in this situation." And then when the report from The Wrap came out saying that Marvel had tried to stick up for Wright but this was Disney execs meddling with the film, I said, "Well, if this report is true, neither Wright or Marvel are in the wrong and this is a worrying sign about Disney muscling in on Marvel Studios."

It's not so much "doom and gloom" as it is reacting to what little news we have and speculating based on the scenarios raised.

 

[Mike Murdock]

Marvel doesn't owe you any explanations about differences they have with Wright.

Nobody owes anybody anything (unless there's a contractual or other legal relationship). But studios do things called PR and marketing. Often, it is wise to release information if people are concerned that there might be a drop in quality from a sudden change of events.

What's funny to me is how someone can sit there with a straight face and cast sooooooooo many question marks over the future of the MCU based on this obscure franchise and parting ways with the director.

Who knew so much was riding on Ant-Man.

There are two Marvel movies a year. I think a lot rides on all Marvel movies. The hope is, with each success, they can stretch their creative muscles a little more. But, with each failure, things seem to get pulled back a bit. The Incredible Hulk wasn't a failure, but it was a disappointment and seemed to result in no more Hulk movies. If Guardians of the Galaxy is a success, it'll buy more goodwill. But if it's only OK and Ant-Man flops, we're looking at Captain America, Thor, and Iron Man and probably nobody else. A successful Ant-Man film would suggest "hey, it's the story, not the comic book character, that's most important." I think that's been the key to Marvel's success so far.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

What's funny to me is how someone can sit there with a straight face and cast sooooooooo many question marks over the future of the MCU based on this obscure franchise and parting ways with the director.

Who knew so much was riding on Ant-Man.

I gotta agree. Antman was easily going to be the smallest marvel film theyve done. I dont see why some are acting like its as if the mcu rides on it... I get it... Wright fans are upset... be be logical at the same time

 

[redhawk23]

Has anyone posted this?

Whedon tweeted this out.

And Simon Pegg said something about being proud of Wright.

Seems like the rumors that Wright walked in reaction to forced re-writes are true.

 

[The Question]

Because you're implying that the director of Ant-Man walking away will affect other directors coming aboard and fulfilling their artistic liberties. Hence by your theory they will look at Ant-Man as the reason not to want to be at Marvel in the first place.

No, that was never what I was saying. I was never speaking to wether or not future directors will want to work with Marvel. I was saying that if it's true that this is because of higher ups meddling with the project, then those same higher ups might meddle in future projects, and I find that prospect troubling.

Seriously man, now you're just being intellectually dishonest.

No I'm not, you just misunderstood what I was saying.

 

[Keyser Soze]

I gotta agree. Antman was easily going to be the smallest marvel film theyve done. I dont see why some are acting like its as if the mcu rides on it... I get it... Wright fans are upset... be be logical at the same time

Fair enough, but I think that works both ways. No, the sky isn't going to fall and Marvel Studios is not going to collapse based on one director walking from one of their smaller films. But at the same time, I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest that a long-attached director walking off a film and (if reports are true) a long-approved script suddenly being overhauled and replaced with an inferior product from lesser screenwriters, all mere weeks before the film's set to begin shooting and barely over a year before its scheduled release.... MIGHT be a bad thing.

 

[Rock Sexton]

No, that was never what I was saying. I was never speaking to wether or not future directors will want to work with Marvel. I was saying that if it's true that this is because of higher ups meddling with the project, then those same higher ups might meddle in future projects, and I find that prospect troubling.

No I'm not, you just misunderstood what I was saying.

Please re-examine the nature of corporate relationships. There is always some kind of influence. You need to find some sort of acceptance of this phenomena.

This was not the first rodeo in that regard for Disney/Marvel or any other studio.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Has anyone posted this?

Whedon tweeted this out.

And Simon Pegg said something about being proud of Wright.

Seems like the rumors that Wright walked in reaction to forced re-writes are true.

I think people are assuming to much. I think whedon is basically saying. He loves his work and he will be missed.

Whedon still works for disney... he cant really bad mouth marvel/disney ... they're his employer... hes just sad to see him go

 

[The Question]

Please re-examine the nature of corporate relationships. There is always some kind of influence. You need to find some sort of acceptance of this. This was not the first rodeo in that regard for Disney/Marvel or any other studio.

True, but Marvel Studios has so far had a track record of a lot less executive meddling than most other film studios, which is part of why it's been so good. If that's changing, that's a bad thing.

 

[Rock Sexton]

True, but Marvel Studios has so far had a track record of a lot less executive meddling than most other film studios, which is part of why it's been so good. If that's changing, that's a bad thing.

They have?

This kind of thing has been going on since the TIH days and the affects of which have been over-stated. I mean look at where Marvel is.

This reminds me of the stock market. I'm a trader by profession and there's a litany of people out there always trying to call tops.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Fair enough, but I think that works both ways. No, the sky isn't going to fall and Marvel Studios is not going to collapse based on one director walking from one of their smaller films. But at the same time, I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest that a long-attached director walking off a film and (if reports are true) a long-approved script suddenly being overhauled and replaced with an inferior product from lesser screenwriters, all mere weeks before the film's set to begin shooting and barely over a year before its scheduled release.... MIGHT be a bad thing.

Problem is your basing an opinion of hysterical rumors... we are going to see more negative gossip about marvel/disney simply because people feed off that. It hits on their preconcieved hate and fear thus they eat it up and it just "has" to be true.

 

[The Question]

They have?

This kind of thing has been going on since the TIH days and the affects of which have been over-stated. I mean look at where Marvel is.

This reminds me of the stock market. I'm a trader by profession and there's a litany of people out there always trying to call tops.

Has it? What kind of thing is this? My whole point is that we don't have the insiden scoop on why Wright left. There's a rumor that it's because of big time meddling in the script, the likes of which we haven't seen from Marvel to date, and if that's true then it's cause to be concerned about future projects.

 

[Human Torch]

Yeah but even most of the past situations with directors or cast who were fired or asked not to return can have this same formula...

Some people (including the media) made some of these situations out to be bigger than they were

examples:

Johnson was hired specifically for his style of period work

Branagh never wanted to do a sequel

Fav"s never had a large problem and has continued to work for and with marvel since ironman 2

Lettier and Norton were the most notorious, but it was also marvels second film and norton wanted specifically quite alot of control and I cant fault marvel for not wanting that while they attempting to gear up for an avengers film with a connected universe....

As for the tdw director switch I think marvel just thought having the people who worked on game of thrones made sense. . And on paper it really does. .

As for actors... norton didnt want to play ball so that was his choice, howard recieved many complaints from fans so marvel replaced him...

And rourke and weaving basically decided after the film was complete that they hated playing the type of role they did and had no desire to do another film like it...

Rourke's I somewhat understood... but I felt like Weaving was acting a bit over dramatic


The fact of the matter is fans of either an actor, director, or writer are going to point the finger at marvel because the fact they think their idol is infalliable. And vice versa for marvel fans... when in fact its never that black and white

And the funny thing is during the time all that was happening,and Marvel was "ruling with an iron fist",Wright is sitting on Ant Man,taking it out of the MCU line for the better part of a decade.

 

[Human Torch]

Yes.....I try to see all comic book related movies.

I would have watched/I will watch this movie when it comes out because I love comic book based movies. Having Paul Rudd in a movie has never made me run out and see it. Having Michael Douglas in a movie has been a deciding factor for seeing some for me. I have seen most of the movies that Wright has directed....but I couldn't have told you that he was the one that directed them until I looked him up on IMDB....so his not being the director doesn't bother me in the slightest.

I think this is how most people would respond to an Ant Man film.I didn't realize Wright was such a big box office draw.

Spielberg...Nolan...Wright...

 

[Whiskey Tango]

I'm going to have to actually apologise to Rock Sexton here, as I was actually getting him mixed up with someone else. Earlier this week when the GOTG trailer hit, somebody wrote this post laying out a whole bunch of positives about the trailer, before saying something like "One negative, though, I still don't buy Chris Pratt as a leading actor. Star-Lord just seems annoying to me." Or something like that. And someone, who I remembered as being Rock Sexton, quoted her, ignored all the positive stuff, and highlighted that one line before attacking her for it. And then he went on to hound her for pages, where every post seemed to get a passive-aggressive response and comments about how she was a hater and anti-Marvel, blah blah blah.

I know who you're talking about and yeah it was bull ****.

 

[Rock Sexton]

Has it? What kind of thing is this? My whole point is that we don't have the insiden scoop on why Wright left. There's a rumor that it's because of big time meddling in the script, the likes of which we haven't seen from Marvel to date, and if that's true then it's cause to be concerned about future projects.

According to you .... and you're working off of incomplete information. The only person who's spoken who actually has inside knowledge is director James Gunn and he painted the picture without actual divulging direct details.