Ant-Man Edgar Wright Leaves Ant-Man!! - Part 1

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I'm fine with Falcon and Rhodey being in Iron Man and Cap 2 respectively. I find Rhodey to be just okay but I really like Falcon. But yeah I think it's high time they get a move on with making a film based on one of their non-white characters and one based on one of their female characters.

And yes I want a black led film but other minorities exist as well.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Having Luke Cage and Jessica Jones as two of their Netflix series is a start.

 

[Mike Murdock]

Where'd you hear this, Mike?

It's so hard to remember where anything came from anymore. This was from back in March or so with all the stories about Marvel planning things out to 2028 and all that.

Essentially, there are talks about introducing characters through one shots, introducing characters in Avenger movies and spinning them out, etc. But the one thing I go the impression of is that Phase 3 is set. It's Ant-Man (or was Ant-Man), Cap3, Dr. Strange, Thor3, and Avengers 3. After that, though, the future is wide open. Essentially, Avengers 4 would be "New Avengers," so characters like Black Panther, Miss (or Captain) Marvel, etc. would have the opportunity to shine. Of course, they could just do Iron Man 4 instead or Planet Hulk, who knows. Plans change.

I think Black Panther will do well if they give him a supporting character we already know in the MCU

FWIW, I'm warming up to the idea of Quicksilver being in an Inhumans movie. Essentially, the trope of nearly dying and getting nursed back to health in an exotic culture (since it's a comics storyline). Quicksilver as the outsider might be a touch weird, though, I don't know. I do want a Hawkeye and Black Widow spy film, fwiw.

 

[guitarsingerguy]

Wasn't there still a mystery film they haven't announced for Phase 3, or am I pulling that out of my ass?

 

[Mysteryman]

Nope.
It is still unnamed.

 

[Mike Murdock]

There's an unnamed movie, but also a strong push for GOTG2. After all, it would make sense to get another one of them in before Thanos appears in all his glory.

 

[guitarsingerguy]

I wonder if they're waiting on audience reaction on that one before they commit to that final film.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

I read somewhere else that Feige was not on board with Wright leaving and that this decision came from higher up - as in Disney higher up. They wouldn't reveal their source. Does anyone know if that's true? If so that's more than a little concerning because when Disney bought Marvel the deal was they would let Marvel do their thing. Don't fix what ain't broke. Even Iger emphasized this. I hope they are not changing their stance here because if so this could very well be Marvel's first big flop.

 

[Mysteryman]

Source?

 

[Mike Murdock]

I read somewhere else that Feige was not on board with Wright leaving and that this decision came from higher up - as in Disney higher up. They wouldn't reveal their source. Does anyone know if that's true? If so that's more than a little concerning because when Disney bought Marvel the deal was they would let Marvel do their thing. Don't fix what ain't broke. Even Iger emphasized this. I hope they are not changing their stance here because if so this could very well be Marvel's first big flop.

Well, all reports seem to say that no decision from higher up came to fire Wright because he quit. That being said, there are two reports regarding the creative differences. One was that Feige continued to support Wright and fight for his version, but the decision to require script changes came from higher up (Disney) and the other is that Marvel (no specific person usually mentioned) wanted changes to the script. We're dealing with the land of rumors where the most verified source has the name "source." It's hard to know what is and is not true.

 

[fangz]

Well, all reports seem to say that no decision from higher up came to fire Wright because he quit. That being said, there are two reports regarding the creative differences. One was that Feige continued to support Wright and fight for his version, but the decision to require script changes came from higher up (Disney) and the other is that Marvel (no specific person usually mentioned) wanted changes to the script. We're dealing with the land of rumors where the most verified source has the name "source." It's hard to know what is and is not true.

Sounds like there could be some truth to both of those. I mean in the sense that that could truly be the way it appears to two different people talking about it. Or whatever, how it was understood.

I'm a real supporter of Marvel Comics, and generally, Marvel Studios, and I'm super disappointed about his leaving. Besides just the idea of a more or less standalone Ant-Man entry into the MCU, I just thought of this in particular as a sign of how Marvel was making decisions.

And obviously, that is me projecting a lot on the situation, cuz i don't actually know what the situation ever was, much less now. But it really seemed like to me a statement that Marvel was betting from the gut on this stuff.

But obviously, u can bet on something for the right reasons, and the situation can change, as it often will over 8 years, haha, and you can be looking a whole different situation. so i'm not saying it's some kind of "Fight the power, get the man's neckties off my throat!" and all that junk.
which is silly junk.

there's just no big narrative like that to tack this story onto. to me, it seems like pretty much everything i've read from everyone involved all seems pretty close to what i could imagine being true.

But all that said, I am glad that Wright walked. becuz the thing i was most excited about was that this was going to be a pure Edgar Wright movie, that happened in Marvel's Cinematic Universe. So I'm glad he walked instead of putting out something that wasn't an Edgar Wright movie. I don't care about Egghead, Klaw, MODOK, or like any villain being in this movie. i don't really care about the MCU. I'd rather have an Edgar Wright movie is what it comes down to. but it's not my money either.

 

[TheVision]

I DO care about the MCU more than I care about films by Edgar Wright. I love the MCU and its been really a dream come true for me as a lifelong Marvel comics fan. Wrights made some entertaining films but if I dont see another one this year or next I wont lose any sleep. No offense to his fans, but thats my personal pov.

 

[fangz]

and it sounds like Marvel overvalued their own position regarding him and he flipped it on them. turns out he and his Cornish were surely ready to walk, and they did.

and Marvel needs to get bonked in the nose like that. I'd rather it'd work out different, but I'd be happy to see them get bonked a few more times too if that's what it takes. I don't wanna talk a bunch of stuff about the things I don't like about Marvel Studio's movies so far, but I could do that for days. and I love them, i don't care about DC, i don't like what Fox and Sony have done with Spidey, X-Men and FF. I'm a Marvel cat but they gotta bet bonked on the nose.

and i'm worried about this Netflix crap too. especially after Agents of SHIELD. they've been really remarkably lucky so far. and i think Guardians is gonna do reasonably well, it really looks like it.

it reminds me of Terrence Howard and his whole moaning and whining about stuff.

when dude simply didn't understand his contract, or more likely listened to some dumb ass agent and overestimated his position in the whole thing. and Marvel flipped it on him, and I'm really glad they did that and made him walk. cuz great things are never made with people are thinking they are more valuable than they actually are.

 

[fangz]

I DO care about the MCU more than I care about films by Edgar Wright. I love the MCU and its been really a dream come true for me as a lifelong Marvel comics fan. Wrights made some entertaining films but if I dont see another one this year or next I wont lose any sleep. No offense to his fans, but thats my personal pov.

yeah, that's valid too, i didn't mean that as anything like...
screw the MCU.

totally, it comes down to, for us, what we'd rather see, and for Marvel.. what they'd rather do.

so i don't know if that came off too long and aggressively one way or whatever but i didn't mean to imply that focus on MCU is invalid or anything.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

Source?

I read it on the Facebook Marvel Movies page.

(I guess you can't link to Facebook pages from here?)

The source "knows people who knows people". Take from that what you will.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

It just baffles me that it took 8 years to realize this wasn't going to work. The one thing that seems clear to me is that Marvel didn't expect Edgar Wright to walk. They don't seem to have any backup plan.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

and it sounds like Marvel overvalued their own position regarding him and he flipped it on them. turns out he and his Cornish were surely ready to walk, and they did.

and Marvel needs to get bonked in the nose like that. I'd rather it'd work out different, but I'd be happy to see them get bonked a few more times too if that's what it takes. I don't wanna talk a bunch of stuff about the things I don't like about Marvel Studio's movies so far, but I could do that for days. and I love them, i don't care about DC, i don't like what Fox and Sony have done with Spidey, X-Men and FF. I'm a Marvel cat but they gotta bet bonked on the nose.

That's kind of how I feel too. Marvel needs to trust their gut and their vision but they shouldn't get too high on themselves. The thing I've always liked about Feige in his interviews is that he's always stayed humble - with the attitude of they still have something to prove and that we've got to keep giving audiences a reason to see our movies. Of course, if Disney type complacence sets in you get stuff like The Lone Ranger and POTC 5 or 6 or whatever number it is at now.

 

[Dark Raven]

Sounds like there could be some truth to both of those. I mean in the sense that that could truly be the way it appears to two different people talking about it. Or whatever, how it was understood.

I'm a real supporter of Marvel Comics, and generally, Marvel Studios, and I'm super disappointed about his leaving. Besides just the idea of a more or less standalone Ant-Man entry into the MCU, I just thought of this in particular as a sign of how Marvel was making decisions.

And obviously, that is me projecting a lot on the situation, cuz i don't actually know what the situation ever was, much less now. But it really seemed like to me a statement that Marvel was betting from the gut on this stuff.

But obviously, u can bet on something for the right reasons, and the situation can change, as it often will over 8 years, haha, and you can be looking a whole different situation. so i'm not saying it's some kind of "Fight the power, get the man's neckties off my throat!" and all that junk.
which is silly junk.

there's just no big narrative like that to tack this story onto. to me, it seems like pretty much everything i've read from everyone involved all seems pretty close to what i could imagine being true.

But all that said, I am glad that Wright walked. becuz the thing i was most excited about was that this was going to be a pure Edgar Wright movie, that happened in Marvel's Cinematic Universe. So I'm glad he walked instead of putting out something that wasn't an Edgar Wright movie. I don't care about Egghead, Klaw, MODOK, or like any villain being in this movie. i don't really care about the MCU. I'd rather have an Edgar Wright movie is what it comes down to. but it's not my money either.

Then why not just watch an Edgar Wright movie? Why does it have to be in the MCU just for the sake of it, especially if you don't seem to care about any of the characters? But if Edgar Wright is going to be in the MCU, then he has to adhere to certain templates and house styles set and not do something that is so incongruent with the rest of it.

Or Wright could've just made up his own original character and loosely attached it to the MCU instead of using Ant-Man, who already has a fan base.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

It seems that people are high on Fox now that they've supposedly made the Citizen Kane of CBMs but it wasn't until the Dark Knight and the MCU took them to school that they finally stopped churning out utter dreck.

 

[TheVision]

Im just glad they saved us from a dud of a movie. Thats if it was done by Marvel, not Disney. I dont agree that the higher ups should be touching our movies. But theres really no way theyd pass up a great new franchise if it was a sure hit. Thats not what Marvel does from what Ive seen. They work with cool filmmakers who have a strong/fresh vision that fits with their universe and they give us gold, (or at least silver) every time.

Make Mine Marvel!

 

[fangz]

Then why not just watch an Edgar Wright movie? Why does it have to be in the MCU just for the sake of it, especially if you don't seem to care about any of the characters? But if Edgar Wright is going to be in the MCU, then he has to adhere to certain templates and house styles set and not do something that is so incongruent with the rest of it.

Or Wright could've just made up his own original character and loosely attached it to the MCU instead of using Ant-Man, who already has a fan base.

yeah, i get what you're saying. i'm almost conflicted the same way with Trank doing FF, but i wouldn't say it's a conflict, it's just the only silver lining to the stupid situation.

but with Wright, the reason why is cuz it would just make me happy, I think it would make a lot of people happy. In my head, i picture him nailing a whole perfect take on Ant-Man. bringing a certain personality to the character, becuz of the natural tone of his movies. I think it would've fit either a Pym or a Lang lead. but it just made so much sense to me. So sure, he could do the next Edgar Wright movie and god bless him and Marvel can do their Ant-Man movie in line with their plans and god bless them. but an Edgar Wright Ant-man movie is something that would've been uniquely great for both of them I think.

I am an Edgar Wright fan so that is a big part of it, of course. But I think that's a valid reason to move off your blueprint sometimes. it depends on everything. and who knows what was going on with the details and how everything felt. Cuz things like what happened never really come out of the blue, i think. So it sounds like there was probably no way to pull it off successfully, anything at the point that he walked would've been not what people like me are wishing it could've been anyway.

but that's the reasoning for why, to me.
basically cuz it'd make me happy. haha. u know?


****ps**
and also, my post came off the wrong way.
I do care about all the characters, i just didn't care if they were in this movie.
if it was a conflict to the story in any way. i just wanted to see an Edgar Wright Ant-Man film, whatever that would've been.

I love MODOK, especially, and Egghead and Klaw, I care about them cuz they've been in comics and stuff, i wasn't trying to come off dismissive of any characters as not worth it for movies or bringing nothing. especially with villains, there's so much room in movies to take C or D level villains and reimagine and write them as great villains.
so that came off not the way that i meant it.

 

[Mike Murdock]

I DO care about the MCU more than I care about films by Edgar Wright. I love the MCU and its been really a dream come true for me as a lifelong Marvel comics fan. Wrights made some entertaining films but if I dont see another one this year or next I wont lose any sleep. No offense to his fans, but thats my personal pov.

I care more about Marvel films than Wright as well. I just thought Wright put them in the best position to make a great Marvel film out of Ant-Man. While I think someone else could as well, I'm worried about the sudden change in captaining the ship, the short turnaround, and the specter of decision by committee presented through rumors of studio interference.

 

[Keyser Soze]

Man, Marvel are marketing maestros. They can't give people the answer they're looking for here, so they change the question. Now people have gone from questioning who'll be directing Ant-Man to going abuzz with who'll be directing Doctor Strange. Well played, Marvel.

 

[Wheels]

I'm just afraid of them getting someone that I don't care for. Rawson Marshall Thurber doesn't sound great to me. Hopefully it turns out fine because really we just want good movies. These movies being bad or not doing well isn't in the best interest of me as a fan, so I want the movies to be good and make money.

 

[Mysteryman]

Im just glad they saved us from a dud of a movie. Thats if it was done by Marvel, not Disney. I dont agree that the higher ups should be touching our movies. But theres really no way theyd pass up a great new franchise if it was a sure hit. Thats not what Marvel does from what Ive seen. They work with cool filmmakers who have a strong/fresh vision that fits with their universe and they give us gold, (or at least silver) every time.

Make Mine Marvel!

Saved us?
If Ant Man collapses, that is NOT good for Marvel .