Ant-Man Edgar Wright Leaves Ant-Man!! - Part 2

[Dark Raven]

*Posts video of overplayed Disney song*

I tried to play that, but the picture seems frozen to me.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I'm confident that Reed's movie will be fine.

If it is just fine, I'll be heartbroken. Stupid expectations.

 

[The.Brotherhood]

WAITTTTTT!!!!!!!! This is the Edgar Wright Leaves Ant-Man thread, not The Rock leaves the Edgar Wright Leaves Ant-Man thread?


What did this Rock guy did? Anyone please enlighten me. Thank You.

 

[Shikamaru]

Honestly, despite never caring much for Wright's vision, I still don't have high hopes for this film.

This was Wright's idea, Wright's story, Wright's entire pitch and take on the characters. Marvel even stated several times the only reason this is happening is because Wright wants to make it. They arguably marketed the film more on "Wright is directing" than anything else. It feels like the only reasons Marvel is continuing this project is to a) avoid bad publicity and b) to not lose any more money on the project than they already did. Imagine how the internet and media would react to an entire Marvel project being canned so late in the game, especially since people seem to be siding more with Wright on this than with Marvel.

Ideally, the best creative decision IMO would be to scrap the whole thing and introduce Ant-Man wherever a story naturally requires him, either in a future Ant-Man project, or in an Avengers film, or in a TV show, or wherever. That's personally what I would do, and what would be the best creative decision here even if other factors prevent it.

Everyone here seems to fall in one of two categories. There are those upset with Wright's departure and those happy as if his departure would change much of their issues with the film. Me personally? I wish it meant they could salvage the film for me, but it doesn't. If there's anything that excites me, it's Marvel's mentality going forward. I think Marvel learned a lesson from all this that they will carry into future projects, and the same goes for Wright and his future career.

 

[Dark Raven]

WAITTTTTT!!!!!!!! This is the Edgar Wright Leaves Ant-Man thread, not The Rock leaves the Edgar Wright Leaves Ant-Man thread?


What did this Rock guy did? Anyone please enlighten me. Thank You.

There were creative differences between him and the Hype.

 

[marcvader]

What director's need to take from all of this is if you have always loved Marvel's toys and wanted to play with Marvel's toys, you can but you'll have to play with Marvel's toys in Marvel's sandbox. You can't come to Marvel's sandbox and expect to take Marvel's toys out of said sandbox and play with them somewhere else. Thats just rude.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

There were creative differences between him and the Hype.

 

[Human Torch]

There were creative differences between him and the Hype.

And much like Wright & Marvel,it took them 8 years to realize it.t:

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

Which is odd. Obviously something must've changed shortly before his leaving that spurred it

 

[Moridin]

I am pretty over Edgar now. I was really disappointed at first but now I'm excited to see what Peyton has to offer. He's clearly a fan of the character, and from what I've seen he's a decent director. Edgar had 1 job, and that was to make this movie. He should have taken the high road but he made a big stink about it.

No he didn't. In fact, he hasn't said one word about it at all. Try again.

 

[Six]

No he didn't. In fact, he hasn't said one word about it at all. Try again.

He threw a tantrum and left the project instead of trying to work it out with them, and to make matters worse, he didn't say anything at all about it when he could have, leaving Marvel with a huge PR disaster to deal with AND for them to scramble to find a new director. A simple statement like "I respect the hell out of these guys and what they are doing with their cinematic universe, but this project just isn't going to work out with me at the helm" would have helped but no, he has to put salt on the wound and post a cryptic picture on twitter suggesting that Marvel are the bad guys. In no way did Edgar leave this project gracefully. I've lost a lot of respect for him.

 

[Mike Murdock]

No he didn't. In fact, he hasn't said one word about it at all. Try again.

He deliberately tweeted an image with obvious symbolism to suggest that he was the victim of overbearing studio interference. To his credit, he quickly realized it wasn't the best idea in the world to do that and took it down, but, unfortunately, nothing disappears from the internet.

So you're correct he hasn't said a word, but a picture says a thousand words, or so they say.

 

[Six]

Fact is, none of this controversy would have happened if he did what he was hired to do. Not make them wait 8 years and then bail when he doesn't get his way.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Oh well at least this way he can run along and make another little funny movie with Pegg and Frost.

 

[Human Torch]

I wonder if it will take him 8 years to actually watch the finished product.

 

[DA_Champion]

I think that Edgar Wright will come to regret his decision.

I can understand why he doesn't want to produce a generic movie, but if he had swallowed his praise and directed a billion dollar blockbuster he would have had more creative freedom in all his subsequent projects.

 

[Shikamaru]

In many ways, Marvel's relationship with Wright resembles a man's relationship with his first girlfriend.

The first time you're in love, you're more in love with the idea of the person than the person itself. The idea of having a girl, kissing, sex, etc, all these are new experiences to you and are magical because you're amazed that you can have them. You're under the illusion it will last forever and that nothing can possibly go wrong, even if there are clear signs you two aren't compatible or she treats you like crap. The idea of losing her scares you to a degree you would do almost anything for her. Time heals all wounds, but you no longer have this idealistic perfect image of things always being okay or working out in the end with everyone. The second and third and fourth time you fall in love, it feels more "real". You love the person more for who she is as opposed to for this hyped image in your head, and you have your past experiences as a learning curve. The sex also usually improves with each relationship.

Similarly, from the first moment Wright got onto Ant-Man and throughout the film's history, Marvel seemed more in love with the idea of Edgar Wright doing a superhero film with them than him doing an Ant-Man film specifically. All the talks were about what Wright can bring to the superhero genre, how this is Wright's pet project and is only happening because of him and so on. The idea of having someone like Wright under them, with a big cult status in his own right, was a new experience for a Marvel Studios that was small and just starting out, and magical because they were amazed they could have him. They under the illusion it will last forever and that nothing can possibly go wrong, even when there were clear signs that Wright's style doesn't mesh well with big studio films. The idea of losing him scared them to the degree of forcing everyone else working on the MCU to adhere to his vision. Going forward, Marvel will probably no longer have this idealistic perfect image of things always being okay or working out in the end with all the directors they love. The second and third and fourth relationship they'll have with similar big directors, it will feel more "real". They'll pay more attention to what a director can bring to a specific character as opposed to for this hyped image in their heads. We're already seeing it - hiring Gunn for Guardians, hiring Scott Derrickson for the horror flavor he can bring to Doctor Strange's universe. They have their experience with Wright as a learning curve. Quality of their films should also theoretically improve if that's the case.

Feige and Co. are growing with each year, this year especially IMO. Most of the issues I had with their earlier films - turning solo films into Avengers promos, watering down certain characters and themes for a PG audience, not giving each franchise a tone and flavor of its own - are either completely gone or have significantly gotten better. It's impressive to see how far they've come since Phase 1 and to think where they'll be in Phase 3 and beyond.

 

[fixxxer]

^ That was an excellent read, Shikamaru. Very well thought out and insightful.

 

[Six]

Marvel is a strong and independent studio that don't need no man

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^You guys really need to let it go, there is no point going on and on about this it has already passed .

 

[Tony Stark]

At this point I just hope they pull things together and make a great film. The off-screen issues with Thor TDW, seemed to spill over on the screen. There were flashes of greatness in that movie, mostly the moments with Tom and Chris, and everything else just seemed to be a struggle. Visually I loved the film, but it was shaky to say the least, IMO the worst Marvel Studios production to date (and I loved the first film).

Now you had Guardians come out which might be their strongest outing, or at least right up there with Avengers, IM and Cap TWS. So there's even more pressure/expectation for this film to perform.

Whatever happened, they need to go out and make a great film. I like the premise of a heist film. That could be fun, and definitely a variant on the origin movie, so as not to do the same old, same old again.

I love the cast, and personally I don't care about the changes with Yellow Jacket being a villain, or having Hope Pym/Van Dyne, instead of Janet. I like the cast and it's more going to be about the chemistry and dynamics of the actors.

I am very worries about their being no script. This is part of what hurt IM2. IM1 was a improvised work in project that just so happened to turn out 1000 times better than anyone could have expected. Normally writing and scripting while shooting is not a good idea, and when they tried to do the same thing for IM2, it backfired (even though I think IM2 is a decent movie).

I do think that the success of Guardians lessens the chance that we'll see Ant-Man in Avengers 3. If Thanos is the villain, people are going to want to see the Guardians meet up with the Avengers, on some level. Not saying they'll be in the whole film together, but maybe fighting together in a final battle.

So really they just need to concentrate on making this a great film and forget about everything else. I think Guardians is the model because while there were some MCU threads in there, it is by far the most independent of the origin films since the first Iron Man. Let the MCU threads occur where they naturally would but don't try to force things.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^Thats what worries me, the only other MCU film to have a change of director was TDW, and that is probably the worst MCU movie to date for me. I still hope Ant-Man is great, but the problem is I had more confidence in it being just that under Wright, not so much under Reed. I am always happy to be wrong in these situations, just like I seemingly am with Bautista as Drax, but we will see.

At this point I can see the movie being closer to TDW than TWS in terms of quality, but I welcome Reed making me eat crow.

 

[DA_Champion]

^Thats what worries me, the only other MCU film to have a change of director was TDW, and that is probably the worst MCU movie to date for me. I still hope Ant-Man is great, but the problem is I had more confidence in it being just that under Wright, not so much under Reed. I am always happy to be wrong in these situations, just like I seemingly am with Bautista as Drax, but we will see.

At this point I can see the movie being closer to TDW than TWS in terms of quality, but I welcome Reed making me eat crow.

Honestly, don't be worried, if Ant Man ends up being a terrible movie (which I think is unlikely) life will go on just fine. Marvel has a good track record they can afford one or two bombs.

 

[TeeKay]

In many ways, Marvel's relationship with Wright resembles a man's relationship with his first girlfriend.

The first time you're in love, you're more in love with the idea of the person than the person itself. The idea of having a girl, kissing, sex, etc, all these are new experiences to you and are magical because you're amazed that you can have them. You're under the illusion it will last forever and that nothing can possibly go wrong, even if there are clear signs you two aren't compatible or she treats you like crap. The idea of losing her scares you to a degree you would do almost anything for her. Time heals all wounds, but you no longer have this idealistic perfect image of things always being okay or working out in the end with everyone. The second and third and fourth time you fall in love, it feels more "real". You love the person more for who she is as opposed to for this hyped image in your head, and you have your past experiences as a learning curve. The sex also usually improves with each relationship.

Similarly, from the first moment Wright got onto Ant-Man and throughout the film's history, Marvel seemed more in love with the idea of Edgar Wright doing a superhero film with them than him doing an Ant-Man film specifically. All the talks were about what Wright can bring to the superhero genre, how this is Wright's pet project and is only happening because of him and so on. The idea of having someone like Wright under them, with a big cult status in his own right, was a new experience for a Marvel Studios that was small and just starting out, and magical because they were amazed they could have him. They under the illusion it will last forever and that nothing can possibly go wrong, even when there were clear signs that Wright's style doesn't mesh well with big studio films. The idea of losing him scared them to the degree of forcing everyone else working on the MCU to adhere to his vision. Going forward, Marvel will probably no longer have this idealistic perfect image of things always being okay or working out in the end with all the directors they love. The second and third and fourth relationship they'll have with similar big directors, it will feel more "real". They'll pay more attention to what a director can bring to a specific character as opposed to for this hyped image in their heads. We're already seeing it - hiring Gunn for Guardians, hiring Scott Derrickson for the horror flavor he can bring to Doctor Strange's universe. They have their experience with Wright as a learning curve. Quality of their films should also theoretically improve if that's the case.

Feige and Co. are growing with each year, this year especially IMO. Most of the issues I had with their earlier films - turning solo films into Avengers promos, watering down certain characters and themes for a PG audience, not giving each franchise a tone and flavor of its own - are either completely gone or have significantly gotten better. It's impressive to see how far they've come since Phase 1 and to think where they'll be in Phase 3 and beyond.

Excellent post.t:

 

[chamber-music]

Feige and the Ant-Man cast talk about Wright leaving in Entertainment Weekly

"It is true that there were disagreements about the direction the script should take. Everything was aboveboard. Everything was done with everybody else’s knowledge. There was a sense of ‘We’re going in this direction, you’re staying in this direction—maybe it’s best that we end as friends.’"

Paul Rudd meanwhile says he was left feeling "devastated" when he learned the news, while Evangeline Lilly's reveals that, "Marvel knew [that first revised screenplay] wasn’t good. They just knew it was in the direction they wanted." It was then that Adam McKay and Rudd himself took a crack at the screenplay, with newcomers Gabriel *Ferrari and Andrew Barrer later coming in for a final polish (however, they don't appear to have received a writing credit, so it could be that Marvel stuck with the previous iteration or that what they contributed wasn't enough to warrant a mention). "The bones of it is really Edgar and Joe," Rudd adds. "It’s been an emotional roller coaster, but I’m very excited now."

So there you have Marvel's official side of things.