Ant-Man Edgar Wright Leaves Ant-Man!! - Part 2

[Mysteryman]

RDJs laugh: thats my reaction to this thread. It really has no weight on anything. It makes no real difference. Its just for whining, arguing that goes nowhere. Wright left, hes not coming back, hes on to other movies. MARVEL is making big moves and giving the fans what they want. So if youre in this forum you should just be cool and recognize the awesome that is Marvel Studios. If you dont, why are you here? Lets all let it go now ok? Really. Just be cool adults and walk away from this pointless discussion.

You could also walk away from this discussion.
But , you don't.
Why is that ?

 

[TheVision]

OK Im done. *mic drop*

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Goddard left because he was concetrating on Sinister 6 and he's still very much involved with the Daredevil project. And when did Leterrier clash with Marvel? That's news to me. This is the first time I've heard of this. I feel like I need to re-address this. The reason that Marvel's MCU has done so well is BECAUSE they don't just let Directors do what ever they want. It's pretty obvious why Marvel has issues with some directors. They keep a tight watch over their Shared universe so a director has to work within restrictions. That's not normal for directors who are used to ruling the roost and calling all the shots. Love it or hate it, In order to keep tight consistency and to make a shared universe work it needs to be done. Otherwise you get what happened to the X-Men franchise. Different directors doing their own thing fricked it up! This can't be easy for a director but it's the reason Marvel nailed the whole shared universe thing with such success.

I wouldn't say that is here their success lies. More importantly, even if you agree with Marvel's decisions here, that doesn't suddenly make Wright "wrong". He was given the situation, which clearly changed over time, and decided he couldn't direct the film in those conditions. There is nothing wrong with that.

That all being said, I am sure Ant-Man is going to be good. But this will always be a "what if" situation. One of the finest and most creative writers and directors working today was going to make a superhero film. One he was super passionate. It was one of my wildest dreams and it was happening. And then it vanished. Can't help but suck.

 

[Mysteryman]

I wouldn't say that is here their success lies. More importantly, even if you agree with Marvel's decisions here, that doesn't suddenly make Wright "wrong". He was given the situation, which clearly changed over time, and decided he couldn't direct the film in those conditions. There is nothing wrong with that.

That all being said, I am sure Ant-Man is going to be good. But this will always be a "what if" situation. One of the finest and most creative writers and directors working today was going to make a superhero film. One he was super passionate. It was one of my wildest dreams and it was happening. And then it vanished. Can't help but suck.

Agreed on all counts .

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I wouldn't say that is here their success lies. More importantly, even if you agree with Marvel's decisions here, that doesn't suddenly make Wright "wrong". He was given the situation, which clearly changed over time, and decided he couldn't direct the film in those conditions. There is nothing wrong with that.

That all being said, I am sure Ant-Man is going to be good. But this will always be a "what if" situation. One of the finest and most creative writers and directors working today was going to make a superhero film. One he was super passionate. It was one of my wildest dreams and it was happening. And then it vanished. Can't help but suck.

Couldnt agree more with all of this, the 2nd paragraph especially will always be an issue to me.

Oh and what a shock Rock got banned, wasnt going to happen at some point, just surprised it took this long.

And to the people posting in here saying we should stop discussing this, do you not realise you are keeping the discussion going yourselves with the same post?

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Oh and what a shock Rock got banned, wasnt going to happen at some point, just surprised it took this long.

If there were any justice you'd have faced your own sanctions for egging him on all this time. Of course now that Rock can't defend himself you'll put on an innocent angel face but anyone who's followed the boards knows you've conducted yourself just as poorly as anyone else.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

Oh and what a shock Rock got banned, wasnt going to happen at some point, just surprised it took this long.

Wonder what the final straw was

 

[DA_Champion]

I wouldn't say that is here their success lies. More importantly, even if you agree with Marvel's decisions here, that doesn't suddenly make Wright "wrong". He was given the situation, which clearly changed over time, and decided he couldn't direct the film in those conditions. There is nothing wrong with that.

That all being said, I am sure Ant-Man is going to be good. But this will always be a "what if" situation. One of the finest and most creative writers and directors working today was going to make a superhero film. One he was super passionate. It was one of my wildest dreams and it was happening. And then it vanished. Can't help but suck.

Bluechip post.

 

[DA_Champion]

Rock got banned? Is it permanent?

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Wonder what the final straw was

Arguing with one of the usuals like this guy:

Rock got banned? Is it permanent?

Rack up enough infractions in fights with types like that and you're sure to see the boot sooner or later.

 

[Moridin]

I wouldn't say that is here their success lies. More importantly, even if you agree with Marvel's decisions here, that doesn't suddenly make Wright "wrong". He was given the situation, which clearly changed over time, and decided he couldn't direct the film in those conditions. There is nothing wrong with that.

That all being said, I am sure Ant-Man is going to be good. But this will always be a "what if" situation. One of the finest and most creative writers and directors working today was going to make a superhero film. One he was super passionate. It was one of my wildest dreams and it was happening. And then it vanished. Can't help but suck.

Yarp. I could end up loving Reeds Ant Man, but it'll never not suck that it's not Wrights.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Well hopefully Reed's film is great to the point where there isn't much of a need to ask ourselves these questions. I know it's an interesting question, but the whole "What if" idea is a question that stems from after the movie coming out and it not being good or just the whole movie not being made at all. Still, the fact it came so damn close to happening with Wright, closer to happening than in other situations is what makes it an intriguing idea.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Agreed on all counts .

Couldnt agree more with all of this, the 2nd paragraph especially will always be an issue to me.

Bluechip post.

Well hopefully Reed's film is great to the point where there isn't much of a need to ask ourselves these questions. I know it's an interesting question, but the whole "What if" idea is a question that stems from after the movie coming out and it not being good or just the whole movie not being made at all. Still, the fact it came so damn close to happening with Wright, closer to happening than in other situations is what makes it an intriguing idea.

I think the "worst" result will be an mediocre or okay film. One that you can see the potential in, but are left knowing it could be better. That would be the biggest "what if" inducer imo.

That being said, as time goes on, I am getting more receptive to Reed's interpretation of Wright's Ant-Man. The footage from CC sounds very intriguing for me.

 

[Mysteryman]

Yes , it was great for Reed to come up with footage before shooting started .
Nice Treat.

 

[TeeKay]

I wouldn't say that is here their success lies. More importantly, even if you agree with Marvel's decisions here, that doesn't suddenly make Wright "wrong". He was given the situation, which clearly changed over time, and decided he couldn't direct the film in those conditions. There is nothing wrong with that.

That all being said, I am sure Ant-Man is going to be good. But this will always be a "what if" situation. One of the finest and most creative writers and directors working today was going to make a superhero film. One he was super passionate. It was one of my wildest dreams and it was happening. And then it vanished. Can't help but suck.

Good points all around. I love Wright and all his films, he's a great director and people are aware of that. However, Feige did say both couldn't come to an agreement and parted ways.

We sat round a table and we realised it was not working. A part of me wishes we could have figured that out in the eight years we were working on it. But better for us and for Edgar that we figure it out then, and not move it through production.

“We said let’s do this together and put out a statement. What do we say? ‘Creative differences’. I said: ‘That’s what they always say and no-one ever believes it.’ Edgar said: ‘But in this case it’s true … ‘”

“The biggest disappointment for me is just the relationship, because I like Edgar very, very much and we were very close for many many years"

The notion that Marvel was scared, the vision was too good, too far out for Marvel is not true. And I don’t want to talk too much about that because I think our movies speak to that. Go look at Iron Man 3; go look at The Winter Soldier; go see Guardians of the Galaxy later this month. It would have to be really out there to be too out there for us… The perception that the big evil studio was too scared at the outside-the-box creative vision is just not the case.

I'll take Feige's word here, we have yet to hear from Wright himself. Fans were dissapointed and angry all around and bashed Marvel for Wright leaving. What irks me the most is the fans who bash Marvel (rightly so sometimes) for this situation basing it off how Marvel previously disputed with other directors. With Wright, it's a completely different story as far as I'm concerned. He's the director Marvel gave more creative freedom to do what he wanted as long as it fit in with the rest of MCU than any other director. They even let him go do other projects and put Ant-Man on hold. Not even the almighty Joss had this priveledge. The CC footage sounds good though. I'm sure Reed will do a good job, after all, like Joss and Wright, he's a fanboy. He knows the material which is a bonus for us fans

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

If there were any justice you'd have faced your own sanctions for egging him on all this time. Of course now that Rock can't defend himself you'll put on an innocent angel face but anyone who's followed the boards knows you've conducted yourself just as poorly as anyone else.

Please, Rock's attitude was a joke, if you disagreed with him he would be an ass to you for no other reason than that. I have no problem with people disagreeing with me, never have, I have had plenty of civil conversations with people here when we were at totally opposite ends of the spectrum in terms of opinions. Rock couldnt do this, hence why he is gone.

There is a reason I have been here 11 years and not been banned, and only got 2 infractions in that time, one of them was arguing with Rock, coincidence? I never insult people or throw snide comments into discussions just because the other person disagreed with me.

Wonder what the final straw was

Again I am surprised he lasted this long, but you couldnt have a civil discussion with the guy unless he agreed with what you were saying.

 

[Six]

I am pretty over Edgar now. I was really disappointed at first but now I'm excited to see what Peyton has to offer. He's clearly a fan of the character, and from what I've seen he's a decent director. Edgar had 1 job, and that was to make this movie. He should have taken the high road but he made a big stink about it.

 

[Doctor Jones]

I think the "worst" result will be an mediocre or okay film. One that you can see the potential in, but are left knowing it could be better. That would be the biggest "what if" inducer imo.

That being said, as time goes on, I am getting more receptive to Reed's interpretation of Wright's Ant-Man. The footage from CC sounds very intriguing for me.

You'd be right. Marvel's quality control thus far has been nothing but solid so that's why I'm not that worried. They choose their directors with care. But hopefully this doesn't become an Alan Taylor situation. For some reason, I think Reed could really surprise us. He has a lot of pressure and he knows it so it will push him even more to give us something great.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Please, Rock's attitude was a joke, if you disagreed with him he would be an ass to you for no other reason than that. I have no problem with people disagreeing with me, never have, I have had plenty of civil conversations with people here when we were at totally opposite ends of the spectrum in terms of opinions. Rock couldnt do this, hence why he is gone.

There is a reason I have been here 11 years and not been banned, and only got 2 infractions in that time, one of them was arguing with Rock, coincidence? I never insult people or throw snide comments into discussions just because the other person disagreed with me.

Again I am surprised he lasted this long, but you couldnt have a civil discussion with the guy unless he agreed with what you were saying.

Outright falsehood. I saw a number of threads where you charged in out of the blue with some sneering remark because you still had a grudge about some previous argument that was entirely unrelated to the current discussion.

I knew you'd try to pass the buck instead of taking responsibility for your own actions and I was right. But whatever, you aren't my problem and I don't have to put up with you. Stay classy.

 

[DA_Champion]

You'd be right. Marvel's quality control thus far has been nothing but solid so that's why I'm not that worried. They choose their directors with care. But hopefully this doesn't become an Alan Taylor situation. For some reason, I think Reed could really surprise us. He has a lot of pressure and he knows it so it will push him even more to give us something great.

I'm confident that Reed's movie will be fine.

 

[Tony Stark]

If there were any justice you'd have faced your own sanctions for egging him on all this time. Of course now that Rock can't defend himself you'll put on an innocent angel face but anyone who's followed the boards knows you've conducted yourself just as poorly as anyone else.

I don't know if anything will be done, but I did report him, because he was fanning the flames the whole time.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Guys, please let Rock's banning go and move on from the topic. Rock racked up 10 infractions during his tenure. THAT is why he is gone. Discussing who egged him on and such is immaterial. Fact is, 10 infractions is 10 infractions. He could have saved himself from many of those if his posting conduct was better. But instead, he didn't learn and kept getting himself in trouble.

So, let it go.

 

[Mike Murdock]

So, let it go.

*Posts video of overplayed Disney song*

 

[DA_Champion]

I wonder if Spider Fan did that intentionally.

 

[Donut]

Hmmmmmmmmmhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pele5vptVgc