Ant-Man Edgar Wright Leaves Ant-Man!!

[Ant-manic]

How can you be so sure? He said it himself. Wright's vision helped to dictate the roster. The villain is the biggest linking element to Thor. Pym is also a scientist, I'd dare to say smarter than Selvig. It's just a big shame it was all for nothing.

you're wrong. Avengers is a movie that primarily spun out of Thor. Loki, Selvig, the tesseract all hail from that film. all elements were important. Selvig was a good fit because he had experience with the tesseract (and astrophysics). Pym could have been smarter. but he wouldn't have been as good a fit. they were world building with these movies. they had already set Selvig up as the go-to-guy for cosmic breaches. why would they choose Pym over him?

 

[Rock Sexton]

James Gunn commented on the situation on FB:

Sometimes you have friends in a relationship. You love each of them dearly as individuals and think they're amazing people. When they talk to you about their troubles, you do everything you can to support them, to keep them together, because if you love them both so much doesn't it make sense they should love each other? But little by little you realize, at heart, they aren't meant to be together - not because there's anything wrong with either of them, but they just don't have personalities that mesh in a comfortable way. They don't make each other happy. Although it's sad to see them split, when they do, you're surprisingly relieved, and excited to see where their lives take them next.

It's easy to try to make one party "right" and another party "wrong" when a breakup happens, but it often isn't that simple. Or perhaps it's even more simple than that - not everyone belongs in a relationship together. It doesn't mean they're not wonderful people.

And that's true of both Edgar Wright and Marvel. One of them isn't a person, but I think you get what I mean.

He also said this in a comment: " Disney has never once interfered or asked for a single note to be implemented on Guardians. They have been one-hundred-percent hands-off."

I think it's more likely Wright is simply just too eccentric for the overall plan of the MCU franchise.

Good to hear Gunn comment btw. His explanation makes complete sense.

 

[guitarsingerguy]

James Gunn commented on the situation on FB:

Sometimes you have friends in a relationship. You love each of them dearly as individuals and think they're amazing people. When they talk to you about their troubles, you do everything you can to support them, to keep them together, because if you love them both so much doesn't it make sense they should love each other? But little by little you realize, at heart, they aren't meant to be together - not because there's anything wrong with either of them, but they just don't have personalities that mesh in a comfortable way. They don't make each other happy. Although it's sad to see them split, when they do, you're surprisingly relieved, and excited to see where their lives take them next.

It's easy to try to make one party "right" and another party "wrong" when a breakup happens, but it often isn't that simple. Or perhaps it's even more simple than that - not everyone belongs in a relationship together. It doesn't mean they're not wonderful people.

And that's true of both Edgar Wright and Marvel. One of them isn't a person, but I think you get what I mean.



He also said this in a comment: " Disney has never once interfered or asked for a single note to be implemented on Guardians. They have been one-hundred-percent hands-off."

Well, the Disney comment is very reassuring. Maybe we're all freaking out over nothing. I'm still incredibly sad. Wright's test reel footage was impressive, and it sucks that we're not gonna get that on a larger scale.

 

[Shikamaru]

the storyboards that included Jan but didn't include Hank. and Whedon's own preference of Jan.

You do realize Hank was off-limits due to Wright before there even was a storyboard, right? Heck, he was off-limits since the first Iron Man's storyboard.

I haven't heard of Whedon preferring Jan over Hank. The only thing I heard is he wanted her for the first Avengers, only to find out she was also off-limits. Even so, that doesn't mean he would have excluded Hank. I prefer Batman over Superman; if tasked with making a JL film, that doesn't translate to me not including Superman.

do you have an example?

Off the top of my head?

Using GOTG to expand on the cosmic side of the universe (as opposed to FF)
Looking at the Inhumans as a potential allegorical replacement for the X-Men

 

[JJ01]

you're wrong. Avengers is a movie that primarily spun out of Thor. Loki, Selvig, the tesseract all hail from that film. all elements were important. Selvig was a good fit because he had experience with the tesseract (and astrophysics). Pym could have been smarter. but he wouldn't have been as good a fit. they were world building with these movies. they had already set Selvig up as the go-to-guy for cosmic breaches. why would they choose Pym over him?

Because maybe, if it wasn't for Wright, they could have set up Pym and Janet in those movies. Pym instead of Clint and Jan instead of Widow as SHIELD agents. It's not like they were going to suddenly shoehorn them in the Avengers. Widow and Hawkeye had previous appearances in phase 1.

 

[Tim_Riggins]

Well yeah, you see Scott Pilgrim (my favorite movie from his), the Cornetto trilogy, and it just boggles the mind that his style would fit into all that, but Gunn's movies are real funky as well, and yet.......

Edgar kept saying that Ant-Man would be a stand-alone movie, and Ultron was never in his script, so I don't know, like you say Rock, as it was, probably wouldn't fit into the MCU universe where everything is connected.

 

[Bruce Malone]

Like a Sith waiting in the shadows

 

[guitarsingerguy]

Cue someone calling him a liar and sell-out in 3... 2... 1...

Lol, I feel the opposite. That's nothing but reassurance for me. Gunn doesn't seem like the type to really be ok with someone else dabbling in his affairs, so if he says they're hands off, that's good enough for me.

 

[Ant-manic]

You do realize Hank was off-limits due to Wright before there even was a storyboard, right?

all I know is that the Wasp was present. Whedon says that he likes the Wasp. take from that what you will. this came down to Black Widow and Hawkeye being more usable; easier to set up. the guy playing Hawkeye didn't even have to audition. they wanted to use these two; instead of hank and jan.

 

[Rock Sexton]

Well yeah, you see Scott Pilgrim (my favorite movie from his), the Cornetto trilogy, and it just boggles the mind that his style would fit into all that, but Gunn's movies are real funky as well, and yet.......

Edgar kept saying that Ant-Man would be a stand-alone movie, and Ultron was never in his script, so I don't know, like you say Rock, as it was, probably wouldn't fit into the MCU universe where everything is connected.

I said this before, but I hate all of Wright's other movies. Scott Pilgrim is the only one I'll watch. It was a beautiful comic panel come to life and had all those sweet arcade effects ....

Gunn is basically spelling it out for everyone though that it's just not a good personality match between Marvel/Disney and Wright.

 

[Ant-manic]

Because maybe, if it wasn't for Wright, they could have set up Pym and Janet in those movies. Pym instead of Clint and Jan instead of Widow as SHIELD agents. It's not like they were going to suddenly shoehorn them in the Avengers. Widow and Hawkeye had previous appearances in phase 1.

could have and would have are not the same thing. hank and jan would have been significantly more expensive to include. the story would need to be altered significantly, as well; unless you think that Hank would have made sense in any of Hawkeye's scenes.

 

[Dark Raven]

Does the make up chick really have a pattern painted on her face?

 

[Human Torch]

If anything,I'm glad Disney had less tolerance for Wright's BS than Fiege/Marvel.

Sheesh,I remember reading about this Ant man movie coming out in old Wizards issues!Do you think it would be on the table that long if Disney was in charge back then?

 

[warcam]

Let's cool it with the Disney is going to screw everything up tone.

Oooohhhhhh......okay, tough guy. Didn't mean to strike a nerve with an anti-Disney remark. You've got the inside track supposedly.

 

[JJ01]

Well, if it's true that Wright is the only reason Marvel would ever care about Ant-Man and its characters, is it safe to say this movie is cancelled, then? I'd take a cancelled movie over a half-assed job anyday.

 

[Dark Raven]

I said this before, but I hate all of Wright's other movies. Scott Pilgrim is the only one I'll watch. It was a beautiful comic panel come to life and had all those sweet arcade effects ....

Gunn is basically spelling it out for everyone though that it's just not a good personality match between Marvel/Disney and Wright.

It's taken long enough for both of them to figure this out. They've had almost the last decade to do this. They shouldn't have tried to persist with their relationship before if it were clear that Wright didn't seem like a good fit at all. He has been ridiculously slow. I can't think of any other studio that has given a director as much leeway and accommodation as Wright has been given here by Marvel. 8 years to produce a movie!

I wonder if the reception and critical acclaim of Cap 2 had anything to do with Marvel re-evaluating things.

 

[Shikamaru]

all I know is that the Wasp was present.

Until Marvel said "no" because of Wright's plans.

Whedon says that he likes the Wasp. take from that what you will. this came down to Black Widow and Hawkeye being more usable; easier to set up. the guy playing Hawkeye didn't even have to audition. they wanted to use these two; instead of hank and jan.

Again, what are you basing that on? You pull assumptions out of your ass to accommodate to whatever you want the truth to be. There is no solid evidence to show anything of what you're proposing.

could have and would have are not the same thing. hank and jan would have been significantly more expensive to include. the story would need to be altered significantly, as well; unless you think that Hank would have made sense in any of Hawkeye's scenes.

See, this is the problem right here. You're assuming everything would have stayed intact if Hank and Jan were inserted. What you're suggesting is Marvel would have shoehorned them in, when Marvel is all about accommodation.

If Hank and Jan weren't off the table, the MCU as a whole would have been built to accommodate them much like how they built this MCU to accommodate Wright's version of them (which turns out didn't work, but I digress). It isn't as stupidly simple as "swap Hawkeye with Hank in the same scenes".

 

[JJ01]

could have and would have are not the same thing. hank and jan would have been significantly more expensive to include. the story would need to be altered significantly, as well; unless you think that Hank would have made sense in any of Hawkeye's scenes.

The story would not have to be altered because it would have been made with those characters in mind. That's the whole point.

 

[Tim_Riggins]

Calling out Wright for his BS? What the hell is this? Dude lost a movie he worked for so long on, and some of you are insulting him? Where do you get off? Seriously. Stupid fanboys

 

[Ant-manic]

The story would not have to be altered because it would have been made with those characters in mind. That's the whole point.

my point being that I wouldn't want to take the risk with the Avengers sucking; just because comic book fans are obsessed with continuity.

 

[JJ01]

my point being that I wouldn't want to take the risk with the Avengers sucking; just because comic book fans are obsessed with continuity.

Why would the Avengers suck just because they use Hank and Janet? They would have made the battle scenes more flashy and interesting, compared to Clint's and Nat's punchy powers. The story would have been equally good. It's not like that's a drastic change or anything.

 

[Ant-manic]

Until Marvel said "no" because of Wright's plans.

you're not getting me. I'm saying that the issue was never Jan and Hank. this all came down to it either being the Wasp or Black Widow, in the movie. I don't think Hank was ever considered. you wouldn't have gotten what you wanted; either way.

Again, what are you basing that on? You pull assumptions out of your ass to accommodate to whatever you want the truth to be. There is no solid evidence to show anything of what you're proposing.

you're doing the same.

 

[Shikamaru]

Calling out Wright for his BS? What the hell is this? Dude lost a movie he worked for so long on, and some of you are insulting him? Where do you get off? Seriously. Stupid fanboys

Or some just didn't take for the direction Wright was going in.

 

[Human Torch]

There's no excuse for keeping a film on the table since the Clinton Administration.

Marvel made a deal with Wright before they struck gold and tried to be "stand up guys" by honoring the deal to have the film be his vision which was in direct contrast with the unfolding MCU.

Now all we have to show for it is Pym getting the shaft.With Avengers.With Ultron.With being a founding force in the MCU.All because Marvel didn't nip it in the bud at the beginning.

 

[seahammer]

James Gunn commented on the situation on FB:

Sometimes you have friends in a relationship. You love each of them dearly as individuals and think they're amazing people. When they talk to you about their troubles, you do everything you can to support them, to keep them together, because if you love them both so much doesn't it make sense they should love each other? But little by little you realize, at heart, they aren't meant to be together - not because there's anything wrong with either of them, but they just don't have personalities that mesh in a comfortable way. They don't make each other happy. Although it's sad to see them split, when they do, you're surprisingly relieved, and excited to see where their lives take them next.

It's easy to try to make one party "right" and another party "wrong" when a breakup happens, but it often isn't that simple. Or perhaps it's even more simple than that - not everyone belongs in a relationship together. It doesn't mean they're not wonderful people.

And that's true of both Edgar Wright and Marvel. One of them isn't a person, but I think you get what I mean.



He also said this in a comment: " Disney has never once interfered or asked for a single note to be implemented on Guardians. They have been one-hundred-percent hands-off."

Thank you, Gunn. I'm glad he chimed in with this, now I just hope people listen and stop playing the blame game.