Endgame Endgame User Review Thread (TAG SPOILERS)

[Charzhin0]

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And the final scene that was crucial - Steve Rogers coming back to present day as an old man. How? He spent all those years in the past WITH his past self still in the ice and possibly saved from ice and lurking around? How was that possible? That would create MASSIVE problems with two Caps living in the same moment. Someone would notice, Peggy first.

Does that mean Steve killed his past self or insured he was never found in the ice? If that's true, then Cap would be missing from some crucial past moments and therefore rip the timeline into pieces. Who would stop Red Skull in 1945 for one? Hydra in Winter Soldier? Etc. etc. It makes no sense that making HUGE changes in the past wouldn't affect present day things. Because at the end of the movie, nothing is affected. I don't know really.

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Cap going back to 40s would leave his old self in the ice. He would live out his life with peggy and stop red skull and hydra before they got too powerful bcos he already knows about their origin. Then when 2012 Avengers 1 happens im guessing he teleports back to the Endgame timeline and leaves his old self to be found in the ice and be recruited by nick Fury.

He basically "fills in" all the time that old cap was in the ice between 1940-2012

 

[-JKR-]

I'll be interested to hear your thoughts on Endgame. If you thought Civil War was a huge step down from Winter Soldier there is a chance you'll think the distance between IW and EG is a god damn chasm!

Yeah, "Civil War" was a huge step down from "The Winter Soldier" for me. And while I was positively surprised by "Avengers: Infinity War," thanks to Thanos' and the Guardians of the Galaxy's scenes, I was never really in love with it. Aside from those subplots it's mostly fluff, and a majority of the characters are short changed and one-note.

As for how "Avengers: Endgame" compares to the last movie you're right, there IS a goddamn chasm between the two movies: "Endgame" is a MUCH, MUCH better movie.

I was sucked right into the story and was happy to meet the characters at their most human. The screenplay is tight, tense, fun and emotional and, despite this being the grand finale of this eleven-year cicle, it never felt like a 'big screen season finale' as I feared (especially considering how "Infinity War" felt like 'part one of a season finale' and not much more), but like a proper movie with its own (incredibly fun and exciting) story and a focus on the characters... which finally feel like human beings instead of 'cool, popular superhero-avatars.'

I loved the rollercoaster ride, the twists and turns of the story, and for a change, the laughs and emotions were GENUINE. Nothing half-assed about this one! FINALLY!

A true highlight in the MCU, a genuinely great movie and a proper send-off to the franchise, even for someone like me who thinks it's hit and miss (and overall vastly overrated). But the intention was clearly to make a memorable movie on its own terms, which also functions as the huge climax. And they succeeded!

And by the way, I disagree with John Campea's impression that the best part of the movie was basically made up of the fan-satisfying final battle. The first two acts provided the heart and backbone on the story, and just as many thrills as the huge showdown ( if not more).

They have finally managed to make an "Avengers" movie as good as "Age of Ultron" (and probably better).

P.S.: THOR RULES!!!!!!

 

[rebellion]

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Past Gamora did disappeared. I think she was turned to dust along with Thanos and his army.

Regarding the return of soul stone, now that's a very interesting question. I don't have an answer for that, but I do think it would be very interesting to see Cap's reaction when he meets Red Skull again.

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i kept an eye on that and , if my eyes didnt deceive me, she didnt vanish.
starlord is actually scanning for her at the end so im guessing they kept her around for the gotg sequel.

 

[Gothamsknight]

Avengers Endgame was an amazing, epic, satisfying conclusion to this 11 year long saga. From the first moments of the movie, i was sucked in and no, it's nothing like Infinity War. I'd say its a much better movie than Infinity War too. I mean, Infinity War was awesome, but i honestly wouldn't even rank it in my top 3 MCU movies. Endgame was a satisfying film from beginning to end, and the last hour of the movie is comic book bliss. You will not be able to help yourself from clapping and screaming because it's just so damn epic that words can't even begin to describe.

One of my fave elements of this movie is actually the slower, character building moments. I think over the years, character moments is something I wanted more from the MCU, as good as the MCU was, and we got that here, especially with Tony and Cap. This is the film the MCU deserved, and it's the best film the MCU could have to end 22 film saga. The film made me cheer, and even tear up at the same time. its the damn best conclusion we could have gotten for a story that's been told for this long. I will most certainly be seeing this again today or tomorrow for sure. A big thank you to the Russo Bros for this! You know it's amazing when your heart is racing during the last hour lol

This warrants a second viewing for sure

9/10

 

[Mjolnir Reborn]

I had absolutely no problems with the handling of Thor, because

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A.) The character so far has worked best in the MCU when he's allowed to be comedic, B.) Underneath that comedy was a character that was genuinely heartbreaking, and his whole scene with his mother is one of the loveliest scenes in a film jam-packed full of those, and C.) on the action/badassery front, he got his spotlight in Infinity War - this was Cap and Tony's time to shine, but he still got a couple cool moments, and D.) His journey's obviously not done. This was not his swan song. E.) He's a warrior not a king, never wanted to be (except back when all he cared about was glory), and was never the type well-suited to that kind of lifestyle, so him finally realizing that that's alright is kind of a wonderful thing, imo. He did right by his people several times over now, and he's done right by them again by leaving them under Valkyrie's capable and stable leadership. On a side note, I thought Frigga's speech about how everyone fails at what they're "supposed to be" was all kinds of great. Like, at this time in my life, I think I actually needed to hear that myself, lol.

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I don't quite buy that Thor shouldn't have done something relevant during the final battle because of Cap and Tony being sent away since other characters had big moments, including Captain Marvel who hasn't really been part of this story at all. That didn't stop Cap and Tony from shining. Thor's breakdown as a character is entirely founded in all the guilt he feels over having failed in Infinity War, so the story is set up for a redemption where he comes back to his old self and has the fight of his life when he has the chance to fix his failure. He just doesn't really get a moment to do that.

To me he could even have had the role of Carol, as she's really only there to set herself up for future films and remind us how other characters are depowered from the comics and she isn't, so if she came in earlier she would have fixed things on her own. Her power display isn't emotionally earned, while Wanda almost killing Thanos on her own is fully earned and amazing.

Had Thor had a bit more of a redemption through excelling in the battle I would be more fine with him leaving his people behind. Now he does feel like a bit like he's not fit to be king because he's a bit of a loser, rather than the hero god that just isn't set out for that kind of life.

It will be interesting to watch Endgame again when I know what's going to happen. Not being actively disappointed might take the edge of it and the good parts may come more to the forefront.

 

[Delwin]

It would be much better if Thor

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leaves because he is gonna look for new home for Asgardians.

It would fit with him leaving them but give him a reason to do it.

 

[Bim]

One of my fave elements of this movie is actually the slower, character building moments. I think over the years, character moments is something I wanted more from the MCU, as good as the MCU was, and we got that here, especially with Tony and Cap. This is the film the MCU deserved, and it's the best film the MCU could have to end 22 film saga. The film made me cheer, and even tear up at the same time. its the damn best conclusion we could have gotten for a story that's been told for this long. I will most certainly be seeing this again today or tomorrow for sure. A big thank you to the Russo Bros for this! You know it's amazing when your heart is racing during the last hour lol

This warrants a second viewing for sure

9/10

You said it perfectly, my feelings exactly. I need more viewings for sure before i can objectively give my final rating. Emotionally? This movie is a 20 lol. I cried so many times, and i cheered, laughed, was nervous as heck. This movie just felt like an emotional roller coaster. I was drained last night, emotionally beat lol. Bravo Marvel, just bravo.

 

[terry78]

I won't dust off that old chestnut, but as far as TDK being the best comic book flick ever hyperbole....I think this one may have edged it out.

 

[jokesonm3]

Perfection.

Literal Perfection

10/10 best Marvel movie ever.

 

[SuperBatman]

Wow just wow that’s all I got to say well actually a few more things. Major spoilers so don’t say I didn’t warn you.

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That last hour was just incredible to when Thanos came through to their time to the fight between the big 3 and Thanos. Then we got Cap actually lifting and fighting with Thor’s hammer and the rest of the Avengers showing up to help them win that battle.

All I could think about in that moment was common Cap all the Avengers are here it’s time to say that famous line. You gotta say it before you leave this franchise and then we he said Avengers assemble I think the whole theater cheered.

Just a great movie.

 

[warhorse78]

What a travesty of a movie. This thing was horrible. It was boring, and they pretty much crapped on all of the original characters. It was full of plot holes, and some really cringe worthy scenes. There was only two things I liked about the movie, other than that, I felt it was a big FU to the fans who stuck it out. I didn't cry once, since the movie was completely void of any emotion. Maybe the movie sucked for me because I had such high expectations thanks to Infinity War being a near masterpiece.

 

[Shuri]

if I had to choose one word to describe it, it would be "satisfying." The whole journey was just immensely satisfying to me, and made me glad to have invested so many hours into the films that led up to it. The payoff was deeply rewarding.

Yes. Satisfying is the perfect word for this movie.

 

[Frodo]

Totally agree on the ROTJ comparison - ROTJ isn't quite up to the previous films but has a very satisfying ending for Darth Vader and ties things up neatly. ENDGAME is the same - not as well paced and balanced as Infinity War but still a worthy ending.

Yeah. My A- to B+ grade is still were I personally sit. I know there are fans who won't agree with even those grades for EG, but that's pretty much where it sits for me if we're talking my own personal preference.

I'd say John Campea's non Spoiler review probably captures how I feel about EG the best of all the critics, though I think I liked the first two acts more than he did.

The film is a worthy ending ,so they definitely stick the landing.

 

[Abudefduf]

I didn't cry once, since the movie was completely void of any emotion.

Tony is my favorite MCU character

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yet his death left me completely cold. It just didn't feel... earned. It happened because it had to happen.

 

[LoganPool]

Wow... I have very mixed emotions for this movie. A part of me LOVED it and thought it was awesome, while another part of me feels very disappointed. I think my main disappointment stems from it just being the end... and the fact that they ignored

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Coulson being reunited with the O6. They've been teasing that for years on AOS. That alone let me down big time.

I'll wrote more in detail tomorrow, after I organize my thoughts better.

Right now I'm thinking about a 3.5/5

 

[BrianThompson]

One thing I forgot to mention in my previous post which also bothered me in the end was the following.

When it comes to Infinity War, I know many have pointed out and asked why Dr. Strange didn't use the portal to cut Thanos' head or arm off during the battle on Titan and the answers were either that - Thanos had the space and reality stones which would've enabled him to evade being harmed like that (even though that is a stretch, but ok) or - that portals don't work that way, but in fact that Thanos (just like Obsidian did in Wong's case) needed to put his head or arm through an already opened portal in order for Strange to close it in that instance and cut it off. I like the latter explanation, it's plausible... and therefore here's a huge problem in regards to Endgame.

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Taking that latter portal explanation into consideration, Dr. Strange (read screenwriter) screwed up and let Iron Man die for no reason, literally. The latter explanation about the portal usage was the perfect solution in the final battle in Endgame on more than one occasion. More like on more than a dozen occasions.

Easiest was during the confrontation between Thanos and Scarlet Witch. All that needed to be done by either Dr. Strange or COUNTLESS OTHER MASTERS OF THE MYSTIC ARTS on the battlefield was to open a portal behind under or above Thanos and have Scarlet Witch pick Thanos' body up in the air (which she did in the movie anyway) and place the upper half of his body through the opened portal, hold him in that position until Dr. Strange or either of the masters of the mystic arts closed the portal, cutting him in half. It would've taken 3 seconds and none of Thanos' minions would've been able to intervene because they didn't intervene in the movie either. Scarlet Witch took her time (way longer than 3 seconds) to pick Thanos up in the air and slowly strip his body armor piece by piece. And don't forget, that's only one of many instances during the battle in which the portal could've been used to cut Thanos in half. So, unfortunately, Iron Man died in vain.

 

[Charzhin0]

Tony is my favorite MCU character

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yet his death left me completely cold. It just didn't feel... earned. It happened because it had to happen.

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I felt the same. And whats even more strange is that I also felt nothing when Wolverine died in LOGAN. Even though the X-men franchise is my favourite, I didnt have the natural urge to shed some tears as others did. I think it was because his relationship with Laura throughout the movie was underdeveloped. In the same way I think Tony Starks journey in EG was a little too predictable and as you say, it had to happen.

 

[Charzhin0]

All the reactions I'm seeing on this forum collectively is starting to feel very reminiscent over how The Dark Knight Rises was recieved when it came out, but then as time went by and people thought about it more and more its star started to fade.

 

[elgaz]

My thoughts after seeing it last night

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Like most fans, I've watched all the previous Marvel films and followed the path of the MCU from its inception in 2008 - so I've been emotionally invested in these characters, their stories and their intertwining destinies.

I went into Endgame with a certain amount of anticipation but also trepidation. I'd read the glowing twitter reactions from the Premiere of course, but it's not uncommon for social media to inject a good dose of hyperbole into blockbuster features like this. I also enjoyed Infinity War hugely and was nervous that any follow-up would struggle to maintain that momentum and sense of scale. As such, I was trying to mentally pare back my expectations so that I wouldn't be disappointed when the inevitable negatives surfaced.

15 mins into the 3hr runtime of Endgame, and my curiosity was already piqued. Much of what I'd seen in trailers had just been covered in that opening period - so that meant there was lots - LOTS - which hadn't been shown to us. It was also evident that this was shaping up to be a very different film to Infinity War. Whilst Infinity War had a constant air of nervous tension as we sat on the edge of our seats waiting to see if the infamous Thanos' fingersnap would materialise, Endgame had a different air about it; a solemn and depleted feeling of desolation. Half of all life in the universe was gone. The empty void - both physical and emotional - which was previously occupied by these people seemed to leak into the scenes of Endgame itself as we watched Black Widow, Captain America and the remaining Avengers go through the motions, struggling to comprehend their new reality and accept the scale of what their loss to Thanos actually resulted in.

Where Infinity War gave us wide panning shots of the armies assembling in Wakanda, Endgame was giving us closeups of the pain and hollowness in the eyes of our remaining heroes.

This more emotional, intimate and familiar tone seeped through the entire first act of Endgame. Then things to began to move up a gear as the movie transitioned into it's 'heist' section and we saw our core MCU heroes revisit time periods from their earlier adventures in order to procure earlier versions of the Infinity Stones. I don't see any point in dwelling on the complexities of their time travel science here as it's already been discussed to death online in the short period since the film was released, but I found it an effective plot device and for the most part the science worked for me.

Particularly jarring in these sections was the unexpected emotional impact. I had assumed this would simply be scenes of the Avengers finding the infinity stones and hadn't expected Steve to happen upon Peggy, or Tony his father. These touching and sentimental scenes brought a certain warmth to proceedings, but this was soon ripped asunder by Black Widow's death, sacrificing herself to secure the soul stone. The highs and lows of this particular section were repeated through the course of the film; to call it an emotional roller coaster would probably be doing it an injustice. Echoing what many critics have already said, I found myself laughing, crying, cheering, then repeating it all again.

And finally, we moved into the insane spectacle of the third act. I'm sure most of us had guessed that the last hour of the last major MCU film of this period (I'm giving Spiderman : Homecoming a pass) would be strong on action and drama, but that was probably understating things. We saw our heroes 'Assemble' finally; we saw the vanished return; we saw armies on both sides engage, and we saw sacrifices made on the battle plains in order to save our entire universe. When it all ended you could have heard a pin drop in the theatre I was in and it took quite a while for that emotional ping-pong in my head to actually settle enough for me to comprehend what had taken place.

Endgame is not a perfect film by any means. There were some plot choices and character choices which I'm unsure about and I'll probably post in detail about these in the specific character threads. But overall, I found the positive hugely outweighed the negative, and in terms of scale, action, drama, emotion and spectacle - it hit all the right notes and ticked all the right boxes. As superhero movies go - no, as any kind of movies goes - it was simply Epic, and it provided a perfect book-end to the 22 movies and countless hours of character studies we had experienced beforehand. We live in age where people are increasingly moving towards large home TV screens, digital downloads, and high quality TV Series - yet Avengers : Endgame reminded me that when you enjoy a true cinematic experience like this, it's unrivalled. I would give it a solid 9/10.

I think the Russo brothers also deserve some acknowledgement of what they've achieved here. There are many, many impressive films out there which stand alone without the weight of a shared universe to be considered. For them to craft not just Infinity War, but also Endgame; to weave the storylines and timelines of the previous 22 films into Endgame; to insert these multiple characters into different time periods and make their interactions viable and valuable; to do all this in 3hrs, whilst also squeezing in humour, drama, emotion and action - it's an insane juggling act, and an incredibly complex and skilled piece of film-making. Somehow they make it work and it all remains - for the most part - perfectly balanced.

As all things should be.

 

[THORin]

I saw the movie at two o'-clock in the morning, so that was pretty cool - it was incredible.

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The movie initially was following the pattern I expected: they went to kill Thanos in the first act and succeeded, he informed them that the Infinity Stones were destroyed, etc, etc, five years pass and then Scott comes back, bringing a new hope. After that, though, there was a lot of stuff I wasn't expecting at all: the time-heist to get the Infinity Stones was awesome, I loved the Battle of New York, with the Ancient One, and Cap vs Cap, and the whole "Hail Hydra" thing. Great stuff. Now it all makes sense why Tilda Swinton and Frank Grillo and Rene Russo were in this movie. I'm surprised there had been no hint of Robert Redford coming into this, though. That was a real shock! Then of course you've got everything going on with Thor, who was interesting: I wasn't sure if I liked that or not. Valkyrie, of course, is always awesome, and her becoming Queen of Asgard at the end was so fitting. I guess that means she's kind of taking up the Thor mantle? I was expecting a little more of Carol, perhaps, but she was really good (loved her new haircut), and she had quite a few great moments. Her entrance in the third act was a real highlight of the film for me. Nebula vs Nebula was also very good, though I was constantly confused about which was which. Gamora was great: does this mean she's not with Star-Lord now? Black Widow's death was a real shocker, and I don't know how I feel about that either yet: I kind of wanted Hawkeye to go instead of her. I wonder if her solo movie will have some sort of hint that she might return, somehow. Tony's death, however, was so beautifully conclusive: just so poetic. Thanos getting dusted was fantastic - though I loved that almost everyone got a chance against Thanos. Carol just neatly absorbing the power from the Infinity Gauntlet was very cool, until she got punched with the Power Stone. Scarlet Witch trying to tear Thanos limb from limb was awesome. The catch-the-Infinity-Gauntlet chase that was going on - that was epic. As for the ending, well, I think I liked that Cap's storyline got wrapped up so neatly. He passed the mantle on to Falcon, which is cool, though I hope we also see more of Bucky. I think Thor going off with the Guardians is going to be great fun (though I'm interested to know, was Gamora with them? I didn't think so). Bruce didn't get a full conclusion really, but I guess he'll stick around and Mark Ruffalo only has to do motion-capture for the role now. Hawkeye's alive, so he's fine. Ant-Man, Hope and Cassie were so sweet together in that final scene. There's a lot to talk about here, and I haven't even touched on all my favorite things!

 

[MovieSlave]

Only had four hours of sleep before work so I'll write up my thoughts a little more in depth later today but WOW! This movie delivered and was indeed a very satisfying conclusion to the cinematic Infinity Saga. It's still running through my head and I can't wait to see it again tonight at 11.

I will say a few more things. After now having seen the movie I don't fully agree with some of the criticisms about

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the time travel aspect.

I'll get a better handle on it tonight on second viewing but I think it made sense as far as you can with that kind of thing. I do agree that Infinity War is the better made movie as far as story structure but Endgame is so damn great that I can't say which I like more at this point.

As for Steve,

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he finally got that dance.

The loudest cheers from the audience I was with was easily when

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Cap calls Mjolnir. I usually don't get super excited on the outside but I geeked out at that moment big time. What did Thor say? "I knew it!"? So many damn callbacks to the past films, fantastic. Also, when Cap whispers into Sitwell's ear, "Hail Hydra". That got a great reaction too.

 

[MovieSlave]

One other thing. I am impressed Feige and the Russos were able to

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get ALL of those cast members back for this film. It's amazing seeing so many of them return even if for only a minute or two in some cases. Even the actor who plays Jarvis from "Agent Carter".

 

[Spideysays]

Wow... I have very mixed emotions for this movie. A part of me LOVED it and thought it was awesome, while another part of me feels very disappointed. I think my main disappointment stems from it just being the end... and the fact that they ignored

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Coulson being reunited with the O6. They've been teasing that for years on AOS. That alone let me down big time.

I'll wrote more in detail tomorrow, after I organize my thoughts better.

Right now I'm thinking about a 3.5/5

Who gives a DAMN about Coulson??! Like, really.....jeez.....putting him in the same line as the O6 is insulting...

 

[samsnee]

One thing I forgot to mention in my previous post which also bothered me in the end was the following.

When it comes to Infinity War, I know many have pointed out and asked why Dr. Strange didn't use the portal to cut Thanos' head or arm off during the battle on Titan and the answers were either that - Thanos had the space and reality stones which would've enabled him to evade being harmed like that (even though that is a stretch, but ok) or - that portals don't work that way, but in fact that Thanos (just like Obsidian did in Wong's case) needed to put his head or arm through an already opened portal in order for Strange to close it in that instance and cut it off. I like the latter explanation, it's plausible... and therefore here's a huge problem in regards to Endgame.

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Taking that latter portal explanation into consideration, Dr. Strange (read screenwriter) screwed up and let Iron Man die for no reason, literally. The latter explanation about the portal usage was the perfect solution in the final battle in Endgame on more than one occasion. More like on more than a dozen occasions.

Easiest was during the confrontation between Thanos and Scarlet Witch. All that needed to be done by either Dr. Strange or COUNTLESS OTHER MASTERS OF THE MYSTIC ARTS on the battlefield was to open a portal behind under or above Thanos and have Scarlet Witch pick Thanos' body up in the air (which she did in the movie anyway) and place the upper half of his body through the opened portal, hold him in that position until Dr. Strange or either of the masters of the mystic arts closed the portal, cutting him in half. It would've taken 3 seconds and none of Thanos' minions would've been able to intervene because they didn't intervene in the movie either. Scarlet Witch took her time (way longer than 3 seconds) to pick Thanos up in the air and slowly strip his body armor piece by piece. And don't forget, that's only one of many instances during the battle in which the portal could've been used to cut Thanos in half. So, unfortunately, Iron Man died in vain.

Honestly they could have killed him in the last movie early on as well. You just can’t overthink these things.

 

[MovieSlave]

Who gives a DAMN about

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Coulson??! Like, really.....jeez.....putting him in the same line as the O6 is insulting...

Might want to put that in spoilers. It's not a major thing but just in case.