Endgame Endgame User Review Thread (TAG SPOILERS)

How do you rate Endgame?

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One other question:

What happened to Gamora at the end?
 
Was anyone else a little bothered that they kind of
yadda yadda-d Steve and Tony’s repaired relationship, especially after that great scene where Tony took out all his anger and grief on Steve? They obviously patched things up during the 5 year gap, but I feel like we should’ve seen some of it
.
 
Boy Scout said:
Was anyone else a little bothered that they kind of
yadda yadda-d Steve and Tony’s repaired relationship, especially after that great scene where Tony took out all his anger and grief on Steve? They obviously patched things up during the 5 year gap, but I feel like we should’ve seen some of it
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I was okay with what we got but yeah, that first scene was... IM went hard, yoh!
 
Boy Scout said:
Was anyone else a little bothered that they kind of
yadda yadda-d Steve and Tony’s repaired relationship, especially after that great scene where Tony took out all his anger and grief on Steve? They obviously patched things up during the 5 year gap, but I feel like we should’ve seen some of it
.
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But they did kind of address it when they came to visit Tony to discuss about time travel. Plus having a kid probably helped Tony put his priorities together
 
Boy Scout said:
Was anyone else a little bothered that they kind of
yadda yadda-d Steve and Tony’s repaired relationship, especially after that great scene where Tony took out all his anger and grief on Steve? They obviously patched things up during the 5 year gap, but I feel like we should’ve seen some of it
.
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I didn't get the impression they patched things up in the 5 year gap at all. When they met up again, Tony made some comment about the poisonous nature of resentment, and I think that was his way of saying time gave him perspective, and he didn't want to resent Steve anymore. The scene where they meet back up at the compound and Tony gives him back the shield IS them patching things up.
 
As far as
the whole "Time Travel " aspect of the story, I just kind of went for it and turned off my brain in all honesty. In the interest of full disclosure I grew up with the Back to the Future films in real time when they were actually new, and the first one is one of my all time favorite films . I also enjoy films like Somewhere In time, The Flash Tv series which deals with time travel, XMDOFP, etc. So I tend to love time travel genre films.

The concept of time travel is illogical in itself so I tend to give a lot more leeway to creators in handling it as long as they are consistent with their own rules and they're clear about their own rules . In all honesty, i've only seen EG once so I personally can't say if they were consistent with their own rules. I've seen alot of "explained" videos which clear things up a bit for me but even then it's still seems iffy.

That said, if the story is solid and compelling enough , I can look past the flaws. In this case , I was engaged while watching it and satisfied with the end result even if it may not hold together when I look back on the plot. Then again, I'm still thinking about the film 3 days after seeing it, so that's usually a sign for me that its stuck with me.
 
While I loved this film,
the sadness of the losses is really starting to sink in. All of my favorite Avengers: Iron Man, Black Widow, Captain America and Thor*, are now gone. :(

I know all good things must end eventually, the actors are aging and can't be expected to stay in these roles indefinitely, but it still bums me out.

*The Prince of Asgard transformed into a fat buffoon who ran off with the space carnival.
 
Bren said:
I was okay with what we got but yeah, that first scene was... IM went hard, yoh!
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My take on that is that when Tony goes off on Steve, it's all still pretty fresh. It's only a couple of weeks later and Tony had been starving and expecting to die on top of it all. So he let his feelings out on Steve. He usually displays his anger through sarcasm of some sort, but here is just blunt, brutal, and honest. But then we get to 5 years later, Tony now has a family. The rest of the world is still reeling, but he has his happy slice of life. His feelings towards Steve and the past probably have mellowed a bit, or at least was less a focus for him. Even when Steve shows up at his house, he doesn't outright reject him, though he's not thrilled to see him either. Once Tony figures out his part to make the time travel work and meets back up with Steve, he's already at a different place in his own life and how he feels about Steve. I'm not saying he was 100% cool with Steve at that time, but he wasn't in the same space he had been 5 years earlier or from the events of Civil War.

Now, had Pepper disappeared, we might be talking a different story.
 
samsnee said:
But they did kind of address it when they came to visit Tony to discuss about time travel. Plus having a kid probably helped Tony put his priorities together
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Yeah, kind of. That’s what I meant by saying they yadda yadda-d the whole thing.


flickchick85 said:
I didn't get the impression they patched things up in the 5 year gap at all. When they met up again, Tony made some comment about the poisonous nature of resentment, and I think that was his way of saying time gave him perspective, and he didn't want to resent Steve anymore. The scene where they meet back up at the compound and Tony gives him back the shield IS them patching things up.
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I disagree.

There was tension there, but they seemed to be on mostly friendly terms. There is certainly a discussion - or several discussions - that had been had in the five year gap, to the point where they were able to speak honestly and civilly to each other with little effort. He even invited Steve - and the rest of the team, but still - to have lunch with his family. He also specifically said that he was happy to see them all, and there was no indication that Steve was in any way the exception.
 
Boy Scout said:
Yeah, kind of. That’s what I meant by saying they yadda yadda-d the whole thing.




I disagree.

There was tension there, but they seemed to be on mostly friendly terms. There is certainly a discussion - or several discussions - that had been had in the five year gap, to the point where they were able to speak honestly and civilly to each other with little effort. He even invited Steve - and the rest of the team, but still - to have lunch with his family. He also specifically said that he was happy to see them all, and there was no indication that Steve was in any way the exception.
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Because again
time gave him perspective. Tony was at a VERY different place emotionally when they showed up at his door than he was when he was half dead and their failure and that devastation was still 100% fresh. He never hated Steve, and I don't think he even REALLY blamed him. He was just lashing out because they all failed and the wounds were extremely fresh, and he needed to lash out at somebody. But he was just as mad at himself.

When he said he was happy to see them all, he included "believe it or not" which meant he thought they might have expected to be met with more hostility, especially Steve.
 
First off, loved it. But second off, I can't help feeling this is the end of my MCU. The MCU how I know it and how I love it (a very personal feeling that I have trouble putting into words). But the best way to describe it might be comparing it to Star Wars pre-1990 and Star Wars post-1990. Now, before I continue I hope and fully expect Far From Home/Guardians 3/etc to prove me wrong. But I also have this strange feeling... that it will never be the same.

Okay back to review of this movie. I walked out of the theater thinking it was probably better than Infinity War. But that it was in many ways going to be tied to the score/ranking/rating that I give to IW. This movie is basically nothing without IW, and in the end doesn't go for the same ballsy move as IW. It might be just as good, but it doesn't test our limits as an audience in the same way. With the exception of the moment on Vormir with Hawkeye/Black Widow. That will probably end up as my favorite scene and the stand out scene for those characters for quite some time. So perfect.

The time heist was fun. Which I love. I love a bit of fun with these amazingly developed characters, but the gravity of the situation didn't feel as weighty as in IW. This time, it seems, our heroes have a plan for everything. Got a problem to solve? Tony Stark now has the ability to time travel to fix it. Its a bit of a deus ex machina and I don't necessarily love it. But still being limited by Pym particles made it exciting, until they were no longer limited by this. So I struggle to see how they will ever have an insurmountable problem again with Tony/Pym's time travel methodology and the now nonexistence??? of the Infinity Stones.

Which brings me to the plot holes. Not major detractors from my enjoyment of the film, but without having read other fan theories, I'll just blast a few out:
1. Where'd the mind stone go? Back to Hydra in 2012? Do they still use it to create Ultron/Vision? Then where's Vision?
2. Where'd the reality stone go? Back to Jane on Asgard? If Loki took the space stone did Odin keep the reality stone? If Asgard is still gone where did the stone go?
3. If 2014 Thanos was killed who came to collect all the stones so that they could be "destroyed"

That's just some. Again, they don't take away from the film for me. I like asking questions and they aren't "unanswerable." I'm sure Feige is up to something. But anyway, Professor Hulk was great, Fat Thor was done immeasurably well, Tony's family time was awesome... That final battle with the big three vs Thanos. I was on the edge of my seat. When it became an all out Marvel War, i started to feel a wee bit overwhelmed. Not terribly, just a smidge.

Overall, I do give this movie a 10/10, Russo brothers have once again hit a homerun. I can't wait to see what out does this (if anything).
 
I felt it did well but I kinda wish we had got more of a group scene saying goodbye.

Maybe a shot of the new Avengers and them possibly leading the team going forward.
 
Heretic said:
Your point agrees with mine...not sure why you seem to be arguing against it. But you're right...there is no need for their roles to be reversed.
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That's my bad, when you said "the writer" I thought you meant the writerS of Endgame, not a Hype poster. You're right, we're agreeing on the same thing, oops!
 
What I really loved about this film and IW as well was that it really stressed how BADASS the likes of Falcon or Hawkeye were. They're not Thor nor Iron Man or even Cap, but they hold their own just as well.
 
First of all, great movie and a wonderful send-off for the original MCU Avengers. Definite plot holes, though. Also, there's definitely a lot of folks trying to wrap their brain around how time travel works in this movie...because time travel is always confusing without exception. However, I think I have a very good idea on how in worked in Endgame. Fair warning, though, I'm not a quantum physicist by any means.

Avengers: Endgame -- How time travel works
 
flickchick85 said:
Because again
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I’m aware of all of that. I’m not sure you understand where I’m coming from.

There was a lot more to the story than the fallout of IW. Those two haven’t spoken since CW. Tony himself said in the last movie that he and Steve “fell out hard” and “[weren’t] on speaking terms.” They had a falling out that lasted for years. Their reconciliation was something EVERYONE was anticipating and it was almost completely glossed over. They didn’t discuss Bucky or the events surrounding him and his association with HYDRA once. So it’s all well and good that Tony was at a different point in his life, but that was a development that should’ve been given attention.
 
Can someone explain to me what they felt were "plot holes" in this movie? I'm truly curious because on another forum I post I as well as a few others constantly have to explain to people what constitutes a plot hole. A lot of people tend not to know what they are talking about in that area. Most of the time it's people who don't have an understanding of film and confuse coincidences and conveniences in a script/story as a plot hole. Sorry, not the same thing.

Also, I'm not surprised my question wasn't answered by someone about how this movie was a hack job.

Just got back from a third viewing. The crowd for the first two viewings were really into it but this third crowd had way more people in tears. I could hear that all around me and the friends I went with.

I honestly really love this movie and the time travel aspect makes sense for the most part and wasn't confusing to me even on first viewing. I can understand not liking the arcs they gave certain characters but it seems like some (not all of course) of the complaints directed at Endgame are based on the movie not going the way some people wanted or had in their head.

Voted a 4 Thursday night after first viewing but it's now a 4.5/5.
 
Well....that was a thing.

I was doing alright until
the army base in 1970, Steve realizing he's in Peggy's office and then seeing her through the window, and I started tearing up uncontrollably.

They gave Steve a beautiful---albeit a little fanfiction-ish---sendoff. Steve telling Peggy in The First Avenger that he was waiting for the right dance partner has extra resonance now. Good age makeup on Chris Evans at the end too. And slightly setting up the Sam/Bucky TV series. I loved revisiting all the scenes and people. It was really like a love letter to the whole MCU. Some of the "surprise" appearances, like the dusted people returning, were predictable, but I didn't expect to get Tilda Swinton or Robert Redford back. In fact, it had so many callbacks and tie-ins that it retroactively even makes "meh" entries like The Dark World seem more relevant.

Re:
Tony's death. "I...am....Iron Man" gave me chills. I'll never think of that line from his first movie the same way again. Also reminded me of Spock's death in Wrath of Khan, between the radiation and the whole "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few...or the one". Also recalls Steve in the first Avengers telling Tony "you're not the type to make the sacrifice play". I also liked they didn't make it this huge overdramatic thing where he gets the usual movie thing of "dying person gets to say final words to everyone first". Tom Holland did a good acting job crying over Tony in that scene too.

A couple things were a little contrived. Captain Marvel was a little deus ex machina, though not as bad as it could have been.
Apart from being a little too convenient saving Tony and in the ending battle, she wasn't in it much apart from that, and the focus was rightfully on the originals. Also I guess everyone relevant to Peter Parker conveniently got dusted with him so they can all still conveniently be his classmates in Far From Home? Also holy hell, how much therapy is the world gonna need? Kids who've been dead for five years suddenly reappearing? People who might have moved on, maybe remarried, and then "hi honey". I don't expect Far From Home to deal with the ramifications much, but the world would still be in major shellshock after everyone just pops back up like that.
 
MovieSlave said:
Also, I'm not surprised my question wasn't answered by someone about how this movie was a hack job.
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I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for that response! I have friends that didn't like Endgame but they don't like *any* superhero movies (they prefer low-budget indie art-house stuff) so I get that. But to say that the filmmakers are hacks or that it's the "worst Marvel movie by far" is just trolling behavior.

I've seen this three times now and I love it more each time. Of course I have questions, and of course if I *really* try to think about how the
time travel
works, my head will spin.

But for me, this film was so expertly crafted, the performances were so good, the BIG moments were so entertaining... I laughed, I cried, I cheered... I'd rather have a conclusion that just feels right thematically, and that's what I got. I don't need to worry about the greater implications of the different
timelines. This was such an emotional sendoff to these characters, and I'm more than happy to let this just be a beautiful ending to their stories. I'm sure there will be implications of the different timelines and I'm sure they'll all be addressed in future movies. But for THIS MOVIE, I couldn't have asked for a better ending.
 
It was solidly in the "very good" department.

It's also quite a cinematic achievement, considering all that needed to happen for it to exist.

I must confess that some of my complaints are more in the line of things not happening as I imagined myself, rather than thing being bad themselves.

And:
Whenever time travel comes into play plotholes are gonna happen.
With so many characters and character arcs some are going to get rushed.

And they did indeed. but it wasn't much of a biggie for me.

Also: just curious of unseen things:

Did Captain Encountered Red skull when returning his gems?
Did he injected Jane in Asgard? How did he sneaked in?
What happened to the tesseract after Loki re-stole it in the battle of new york?

That could've been a whole movie on its own.

Black Panther Suit was horrible looking in this one.

I lived all the fan pleasing moments, cause I'm a fan. I squeeeeeeeeeed quite a bit in certain scenes out of exitement.


So as I said: Very good.
 
anyone notice....
when Cap was in the the therapy session the guy talking was one of the Russo brothers
 
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