The Dark Knight Epitome Scene for Joker?

[Goon 2 Goblin]

Another thing I really liked was during the mob meeting, you can see Joker take a pretty immediate dislike to Gambol from the git-go. Then, for the rest of the scene, his distate is kind of simmering "I'm NOT crazy. I'm noT." So by the time, later on, when he's got the knife in Gambol's mouth doing his "Want to know how I got these scars?" bit, the anger has been building up and it's a genuinely scary moment.

Noticed that too. I also find it extremely funny that in both comic book movies he's been featured in Michael Ja White is always pissed and yelling at a disturbing type of "clown."

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[Oriin]

We didn't see anything even close to the comic book Joker

I agree with you actually.

A) Scars, the Joker in the comics is Perma-white. B) the Grungy look, don't they know the Joker in the comics is all about style and class or at least in look C) Little theatrics, the Joker just killed people a lot of the time sure some theatrics but not a lot D) The Joker in the comics has never once acted as if he's some ****ing philosophy teacher, sure, sometimes he teaches "lessons" but he doesn't go around acting like he's Socrates with a machine gun E) Lack of gas, he used a knife, same effect but not really true to the character. Sure, they had the Murdering/Psychopath/Clown down but a lot of stuff just wasn't there.

 

[Goon 2 Goblin]

And Bob Stencil, you'd be wrong on virtually all of those points but you don't seem intelligent or worthy enough to debate with. For someone who beloves the source material, and believes he knows the character of the comics, you couldn't be further from the truth in virtually all of those issues.

 

[Oriin]

And Bob Stencil, you'd be wrong on virtually all of those points but you don't seem intelligent or worthy enough to debate with. For someone who beloves the source material, and believes he knows the character of the comics, you couldn't be further from the truth in virtually all of those issues.

Really my fine sir? Care to debunk my claims point by point if I'm so wrong?

 

[Goon 2 Goblin]

Really my fine sir? Care to debunk my claims point by point if I'm so wrong?

Yeah I could do that alittle bit later, if someone doesn't get to it before me. But ... yeah. haha

I'll catch up with you in a bit, bud.

 

[Oriin]

Yeah I could do that alittle bit later, if someone doesn't get to it before me. But ... yeah. haha

I'll catch up with you in a bit, bud.

I'll be waiting for the bullet points.

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

I would have to say the interrogation scene on this one!

 

[Ace of Knaves]

I agree with you actually.

A) Scars, the Joker in the comics is Perma-white. B) the Grungy look, don't they know the Joker in the comics is all about style and class or at least in look C) Little theatrics, the Joker just killed people a lot of the time sure some theatrics but not a lot D) The Joker in the comics has never once acted as if he's some ****ing philosophy teacher, sure, sometimes he teaches "lessons" but he doesn't go around acting like he's Socrates with a machine gun E) Lack of gas, he used a knife, same effect but not really true to the character. Sure, they had the Murdering/Psychopath/Clown down but a lot of stuff just wasn't there.

right let me say yea you are right, he isn't permawhite but that doesn't mean that TDKs joker is nothing like the comic book joker.

• Joker in the comics broadcasted threats on TV, which he does in TDK
• Joker in the comics always had elaborate ways to pull off a bank heists or escape from jail, which he did in TDK
• Joker in the comics was always trying to bring batman down to his level, which he did in TDK
• Joker in the comics was always trying to cause mass hysteria and fear in the people of gotham, which he does in TDK
• Joker in the comics always philosophised on life, i suggest you read the killing joke and you'll see what i mean, he also done this in TDK
• Joker in the comics always had elaborate ways to kill someone, which he did in TDK (pencil trick, bomb in someones stomach)

so basically what i'm saying is that just because he might look different doesn't mean that this joker isn't the most accurate portayal of the character in any medium other than comics yet. its fact.

 

[Oriin]

right let me say yea you are right, he isn't permawhite but that doesn't mean that TDKs joker is nothing like the comic book joker.

• Joker in the comics broadcasted threats on TV, which he does in TDK
• Joker in the comics always had elaborate ways to pull off a bank heists or escape from jail, which he did in TDK

Didn't say anything about those, yes they are theatrical and I did say he did show of them in TDK.

• Joker in the comics was always trying to bring batman down to his level, which he did in TDK

The Joker of the comics isn't as much trying to bring Batman down to his level but trying to drive Batman to end of his chain and to death, although he can't as he sees Batman as one and the same.

• Joker in the comics was always trying to cause mass hysteria and fear in the people of gotham, which he does in TDK

When did I make this point?

• Joker in the comics always philosophised on life, i suggest you read the killing joke and you'll see what i mean, he also done this in TDK

Okay, but re-read, I say on most cases, the Killing Joke is one of those most cases the other times its just about having as much fun as he can while trying to kill Batman and cause total anarchy, I suggest you read "The Joker's Five Way Revenge" and his first two comic appearances.

• Joker in the comics always had elaborate ways to kill someone, which he did in TDK (pencil trick, bomb in someones stomach)

When did I make this point? If anything the Joker didn't kill enough, the comic Joker was gasing buses of children and infecting super-villains with his signature Joker Venom (which you haven't addressed why THAT is gone.)

so basically what i'm saying is that just because he might look different doesn't mean that this joker isn't the most accurate portayal of the character in any medium other than comics yet. and no it isn't a matter of opinion, its fact.

That is ********, TAS had a better version and accurate interpretation of the Joker in another medium aside from comics. Also, everything is an opinion and I know it'll blow your mind but there are "facts" about fictional character.

 

[Goon 2 Goblin]

His look is recogizable Joker. Joker isn't a "snazzy" dresser as much as he is an eccentric and theatrical dresser. TDK Joker is the same way. Joker's mouth does have scars in the comics in some stories, or his smile is a form of a disfigurement, meaning it isn't a natural smile. TDK Joker continues this look but with a spin to the visual interpretation. I'm just not a fan of people who claim to know the comics but really don't. Ace Of Knaves explained things in short, but TDK Joker was the most pure and best aspects of the character brought to life, with an adapted realistic take on how the Joker would look in our recognizable world. Which to me made him all the more frightening.

 

[Oriin]

His look is recogizable Joker. Joker isn't a "snazzy" dresser as much as he is an eccentric and theatrical dresser. TDK Joker is the same way. Joker's mouth does have scars in the comics in some stories, or his smile is a form of a disfigurement, meaning it isn't a natural smile. TDK Joker continues this look but with a spin to the visual interpretation. I'm just not a fan of people who claim to know the comics but really don't. Ace Of Knaves explained things in short, but TDK Joker was the most pure and best aspects of the character brought to life, with an adapted realistic take on how the Joker would look in our recognizable world. Which to me made him all the more frightening.

The Joker has always been a "snazzy" dresser. Also, I believe the "realistic" world argument gets thrown out of the mix when the movie is about a grown billionaire going around beating criminals to a pulp dressed as a giant Bat.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

bob stencil i just re-read your post, and you actually said the words "The Joker in the comics has never ONCE acted as if he's some ****ing philosophy teacher". well then you are wrong because he has on many occasions acted like a philosophy teacher, Arkham Asylum he questions Batmans sanity and talks about Batman being just like them in the asylum, in the killing joke he talks about what it takes for a good man to go bad.

 

[Oriin]

bob stencil i just re-read your post, and you actually said the words "The Joker in the comics has never ONCE acted as if he's some ****ing philosophy teacher". well then you are wrong because he has on many occasions acted like a philosophy teacher, Arkham Asylum he questions Batmans sanity and talks about Batman being just like them in the asylum, in the killing joke he talks about what it takes for a good man to go bad.

Your worse than Fox News when it comes to reading whole points, I believe you missed:

sure, sometimes he teaches "lessons" but he doesn't go around acting like he's Socrates with a machine gun

 

[Ace of Knaves]

lol fox news. but he didnt act like socrates in TDK either, he basically just said that the civilised worlds reliance on law and order is a bad joke, which if you think about it, is.

 

[Goon 2 Goblin]

The Joker has always been a "snazzy" dresser.

Why wouldn't Joker's get up in TDK not be described as "snazzy"? It's about Joker having his own uniqye sense of style. Seperating himself visually from other criminals. A better class of criminal.

Also, I believe the "realistic" world argument gets thrown out of the mix when the movie is about a grown billionaire going around beating criminals to a pulp dressed as a giant Bat.

No, it really doesn't if done by a great story teller who makes you believe things could actually happen. Which Nolan does. This story most certainly is a grounded take on fantasy. Just the way most of the great Batman stories are.

 

[Oriin]

Why wouldn't Joker's get up in TDK not be described as "snazzy"? It's about Joker having his own uniqye sense of style. Seperating himself visually from other criminals. A better class of criminal.
he was essentially wearing rags, dirty old clothes, that was not "snazzy".


No, it really doesn't if done by a great story teller who makes you believe things could actually happen. Which Nolan does. This story most certainly is a grounded take on fantasy. Just the way most of the great Batman stories are.

No, great storytelling or not, you still have to stretch your imagination, its still fantasy, if it were realistic the Nolan series would be Death Wish.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

well if you remember in the mob meeting joker actually says "oh the suit, it wasn't cheap, you outta know you bought it!!!"

 

[Oriin]

lol fox news. but he didnt act like socrates in TDK either, he basically just said that the civilised worlds reliance on law and order is a bad joke, which if you think about it, is.

Based on the thing you've said above, I can see your clearly too deep into enjoying this movie and the little quotable blurbs Heath has spouted. The world is about law and order, what else do you want complete anarchy? Also, half the time the Joker was talking, he was indeed speaking as if he was a philosopher, his little speeches, his whole debate with Dent.. I can see now though that your too "in to" the movie, so I'm never going to be able to make a point to you, for you its fact that he IS the Joker and to me it is just another semi-accurate adaptation.

 

[Oriin]

well if you remember in the mob meeting joker actually says "oh the suit, it wasn't cheap, you outta know you bought it!!!"

Which could be taken as showing that either A) He was lying/joking (He did a lot of that.) or B) He bought a ratty old looking suit. Both cases would show that he doesn't have the same "snazzy" sense.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

look i loved the movie yea, but im not so into i dont want to hear your points. i agree with some of them, i disagree with most. no i dont want anarchy thats not what i was trying to say, what i was trying to say is that if the crap really does hit the fan then the civilised worlds law and order will come into question. thats what the whole theme of the film is about IMO. all these terroists are fighting dirty so when do we start fighting dirty to stop them? do we just let them continue killing people or do we break our moral code and just completly obliterate them?
you say the joker was a semi accurate adaptation of his comic book counterpart, yea well thats what this movie is, a adaptation of batmans universe.

 

[Oriin]

look i loved the movie yea, but im not so into i dont want to hear your points. i agree with some of them, i disagree with most. no i dont want anarchy thats not what i was trying to say, what i was trying to say is that if the crap really does hit the fan then the civilised worlds law and order will come into question. thats what the whole theme of the film is about IMO. all these terroists are fighting dirty so when do we start fighting dirty to stop them? do we just let them continue killing people or do we break our moral code and just completly obliterate them?
you say the joker was a semi accurate adaptation of his comic book counterpart, yea well thats what this movie is, a adaptation of batmans universe.

Okay, I agree it was a good adaptation but it wasn't what I'd call "the best" that was my opinion and I supplied my points and I'm glad that you agree with me on some of them. Also, we should never fight dirty, you have to stand by your morals even when your opponent isn't at the end of the day thats what makes you, well, you. If a man had to let his morals slide just once because of a challenge they wouldn't really be his morals they'd be just a simply guide that he used some of the time when the situation wasn't intense, he'd be just a slide not really standing for anything. Law and Order are the basis for what is considered the "right way" as long as you stand by those terrorist or the bad guys will always be brought to justice in someway, when you let your morals slide your start taking things away from the other people even if your trying to protect them (I'm looking at you Patriot Act.)

 

[Ace of Knaves]

yea i agree our morals are what make us who we are, but i think what the joker is trying to say is that man is a animal, and if it comes to the point where the only way you will survive is breaking your moral code then you will do it. theres many events in history that could prove this as fact. like that true story of that rugby team who crashed in the mountains, the only way they would survive was by eating each other. so basically when things really go wrong our primal animalistic instincts will surface.

 

[Oriin]

yea i agree our morals are what make us who we are, but i think what the joker is trying to say is that man is a animal, and if it comes to the point where the only way you will survive is breaking your moral code then you will do it. theres many events in history that could prove this as fact. like that true story of that rugby team who crashed in the mountains, the only way they would survive was by eating each other. so basically when things really go wrong our primal animalistic instincts will surface.

All hope breaks down when mankind its brought before what it had once tamed.

- Anonymous 8/12/08

 

[ClownPrince79]

hahaha yea he does!! its well quick though, it looks like he guts them. he starts from their waist and slashes upwards!! awesome!!!

You are correct, I have seen it a lot now and he stabs the two goons on either side and uses the bodies to boost himself up, it's really quick because of the r - rating it would have gotten otherwise

 

[JokerLedger]

bob stencil from firstshowing.net?