Fan Review Thread SPOILERS INSIDE - Part 2

[BoredGuy]

Just read over on the site that shall not be named that apparently

Spoiler

Odin is straight up dead

at the end of the film.

to which I say, bulllllls**t

 

[Rock Sexton]

Just read over on the site that shall not be named that apparently

Spoiler

Odin is straight up dead

at the end of the film.

to which I say, bulllllls**t

The whole thing is open to interpretation. We simply do not know for sure either way.

 

[Tony Stark]

Being in a scene is completely different from screen time. Sif and the Warriors Three are in more then a few scenes, but they are short glimpses. I think it is probably safe to saw they had more screen time and lines in their three Asgard scenes post Thor's banishment in "Thor" then all of TDW. And that isn't including the coronation, the entire Jotunheim sequence (from the table flip to Odin saving them), their search for Thor, the battle with the Destroyer and the final scene.

The movie isn't about the Warriors Three.

I am judging Thor by his own character and how he has handle such situations in the past. I am applying Thor logic to Thor. Don't think that is bizarre at all.

I don't see much logic in your posts, let alone Thor's logic.

 

[Tony Stark]

Just read over on the site that shall not be named that apparently

Spoiler

Odin is straight up dead

at the end of the film.

to which I say, bulllllls**t

Yeah I don't think so. My guess would be that:

[blackout] Loki is using illusions to make Odin appear as a prisoner and he's being held in the dungeon. [/blackout]

 

[BoredGuy]

The whole thing is open to interpretation. We simply do not know for sure either way.

yeah but in the interview [BLACKOUT]hopkins[/BLACKOUT] said something like, he's dead, I've done 2 and that's enough

and supposedly Taylor said, yeah it took us a while to decide to kill him, we decided to do it right at the end, whatever

only Feige was a little vague about it, saying something about [BLACKOUT]"whether the all father is with us or not"[/BLACKOUT]

 

[TeeKay]

Just got back from my second viewing and it pleases me to say that the movie plays MUUUUUUUUUUCH better the second time around. I can't say enough about that.

Within this movie is potential for the best and most ambitious MCU solo adventure. What prevents it from achieving that status is as follows:

1. Unbalanced editing. Whoever was at the controls did an awful job in the first portion of the film, particularly the opening 15-20mins. There was an unnecessary rush job on the Bor prologue, which I will go on to discuss in a bit. They also spent too much time scene splicing when it didn't need it. A great example is how they spread out the Dark Elves awakening from their slumber, them arriving home on Svartelheim, and then the plan for the attack on Asgard where Alrgim agrees to become Kurse. The first two of those should've been one seamless flow together. By breaking them up it made the film seem like it was jumping around too much. Btw, how did Algrim arrive at the BiFrost site in tow with the rest of the prisoners? That was never clear in the film.

2. There are a couple completely unnecessary scenes. Remember that odd arrangement of the post-cred scene in CA:TFA? They did it again to this film. We absolutely DID NOT need to see Jane and the others eating breakfast discussing Thor not having returned yet. That scene undercut the climax (which I will also discuss my qualms with). They would've been better served showing Thor's talk with Odin/Loki and then have him show up back at Jane's apartment. There were also some terrible shots of Darcy, Selvig, and Jane running around as some of the Dark Elves were chasing them. It made the DE's look like cartoon buffoons in pursuit.

3. I said this in my original review, but they did a disservice giving the Dark Elves their own language. I understand why it was done, but it was a luxury, not a necessity. The reason people complain about not enough Malekith/Kurse and not enough development is because it's lost in having to read subtitles. You're not able to sit there focusing squarely on the characters as they're interacting and by the time Malekith speaks English we're already halfway into the film. It's almost a slight of hand because Mal/Kurse get pllllllllllenty of screen time.

4. The prologue should've been later in the film. They basically ended up rehashing the same exact story of Convergence/Aether when Jane is on Asgard as Odin begins reading from that book. It would've better served the structure of the movie if they showed the events of the Bor prologue during that book reading. It also would've been for the betterment of the film if they had given Bor a little more to do. Maybe it's just me, but in the small window of dialogue we get from him, I couldn't help but want MOAR BOR! Seriously, he had such a presence. But he only speaks a few words and then he's gone. He's too important of a character to the story for being a throwaway.

5. Marvel still needs to hire somebody who can help them take the next step with the fighting skills and choreography of their heroes. It looks like we're probably going to get it with CA:TWS, but Thor still lacks any distinction. I mean we've had three movies now of he same thing with him. He's powerful. He hits people with his hammer. He generates lightening. That all becomes a crutch. Maybe spend some of that CGI money to get somebody in there who can bring the fighting to life. That is such a huge part of what makes us geek out over these heroes. The best fight sequence in the whole movie happens during the beginning prologue. Everything else was cookie-cutter. I thought they sacrificed fighting "style" for zany capers as Thor/Malekith transport through the voids in the convergence. I was actually going to say something about seeing Thor get his face beat in by Kurse, but as I was going to type it I just realized watching Kurse pummel him like that was actually necessary. With a character like Thor, movies run the risk of suffering from the perception of his so-called "invulnerability". Btw, Kurse is probably the most hardcore villain we've had. I couldn't get enough of him, from his look to how imposing he was.

Back to the Thor/Mal fight. When Thor walked into the red mist, all would've been forgiven and people wouldn't have complained so much about the comedy lowering the stakes if we got something more creative. Instead we get Thor launching Selvig's portal spikes and then some weird running/leaping hammer hit that launches Malekith back. We already saw that kind of thing earlier in their fight as their blows would send each other long distances. I will have to say though, the "Convergence" allowed for destruction and a display of power without having to deal with the mass casualty issue recently abuzz after MoS

6. There are no memorable lines or sequences in the movie that'll etch themselves into CBM history. You'd think there'd be at least one.

So yeah, I originally gave it a 7.0/7.5 but I'm moving this up to an 8.5 .... I think other criticisms of the film are unwarranted and many of them are strictly personal wants which have nothing to do with how the film was actually executed. One of those was the love triangle some were desperate for. It's pretty clear in the film Thor doesn't feel that way about Sif, so why drag it out longer than it needs to be. They hinted at it from Sif's side and at least it leaves the door open down the line if they ever want to explore that angle in future films.

The Warriors Three have plenty to do, far more than the first, each with his own defining moment which portrays their comic book likeness ..... only person who gets shortchanged is Hogun. Nobody can argue against that. But we did get his stache finally! LOL. Heimdall got to shine, but I still want sooo much more of him, which isn't a bad thing. Albeit when the BiFrost was closed, he technically had nothing to do and should've been at the castle fighting some more. I understood all the stuff happening with the Convergence way better this time and it made more sense that there was so much discussion of it in the movie. I mean after all it's supposed to be a huge event considering it only happens once every 5,000 years.

The cinematography and SFX are top notch. Brian Tyler really brought it was his score, albeit it was a bit choppy in moments when Thor/Loki were in Svartelheim. There was more than enough serious tone in this movie once Jane arrived on Asgard, especially upon Frigga's death. Really loved seeing the lightening hit Mal' face as Thor is desperately running in to her defense. Her funeral procession was probably one of the most beautiful sequences in the entire film. I really couldn't care less if Thor wasn't wearing his helmet, such a knit picky complaint. They drove home the sadness in the musical score. Honestly, I think some of the detachment when it come to Frigga's relationship development has to do with Russo's acting. She's a little flat in delivering her lines, much like in the first film. Another thing about the "seriousness" is Marvel doesn't want it lingering for too long. I respect that because it's not that kind of film. They like you to get a little sad and then follow it up with some laughter because the movie is supposed to be fun, not depressing. Kind've like that family member at a funeral who tries to make you smile regardless of the occasion.

The Captain America cameo is worth the price of admission alone. I still can't stop laughing thinking about it. Kudos to Marvel for giving us that in such creative fashion. I really never saw it coming, though months ago Evans did an interview in which he discussed the possibility of that kind've thing.

Felt the same way.

 

[GremlinZilla89]

Glad to hear the film plays better for people on a second watch. As it stands I'm pretty much totally letdown by the film. It had a few shining moments (Loki, the score, the visuals) but everything else fell by the wayside.

I'm gonna try and give this another go soon because I disliked Captain America the first time I saw it but ended up thinking it was one of the most unabashedly fun and "comic book" comic film to date. Hopefully Thor: TDW has the same effect.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

10/10 I reallllly enjoyed this. It was quite honestly Avenger's level of entertainment and was just a really good and fun movie. I can't wait to see it again

 

[Spider-Fan]

Just read over on the site that shall not be named that apparently

Spoiler

Odin is straight up dead

at the end of the film.

to which I say, bulllllls**t

Spoiler

Doubt it. Off-screen death for a character of that magnitude is lame.

 

[BoredGuy]

^ I agree, whole-heartedly, And I hope Hopkins and Taylor don't have the final say on it

 

[Endeavor]

^ I agree, whole-heartedly, And I hope Hopkins and Taylor don't have the final say on it

Why? Have they expressed any desire to [BLACKOUT]kill off Odin[/BLACKOUT]?

 

[Tony Stark]

I don't see it in Loki's nature to [blackout]kill Odin[/blackout]

 

[warriorking]

Trust us you will like it much better the second time around.
I think we were so hyped for the movie that we became critical of Taylor for his vision and thus we set ourselves up for disappointment regardless of the outcome, its human nature ...
For those in the audience seeing Thor for the first time Its a movie that's blowing them away around the world..
That is what movies are suppose to do, and Marvel is continuing that streak with TDW..
It's a good day to be a Thor fan....
Bring on A2 and Thor3....

 

[Rock Sexton]

You know what I just realized? They never followed up on that whole "Dark Energy" situation from The Avengers. I figured for sure that would have some kind of role in this film.

 

[Endeavor]

Did he say Dark Energy or Dark Magic? I thought it was the latter

But yeah, no mention of it.

 

[BoredGuy]

yep no mention


oh one thing I wanted to add on to my review:
I didn't find the Humor nearly as grating as some, and I actually thought it was very subdued. I was half-expecting a barrage of slapstick gags from the way some people described it, but it was really pretty tame, with a couple decent chuckles. Even the "it's not me" line I didn't think was too over-the-top or emotional-moment-ruining

 

[Tony Stark]

I read the article on the site that shall not be named. It's crap. Basically three people being coy about what might or might not happen. Seriously folks do you really think they're going to let a major plot point out of the bag years before the next film will release? My guess is Thor 3 won't come out until Summer 2016, and the point won't be addressed in Avenger AoE.

 

[T"Challa]

You know what I just realized? They never followed up on that whole "Dark Energy" situation from The Avengers. I figured for sure that would've been followed up on.

i believe they addressed that in the prequel comics..

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I do agree circumstance matters, but he lost his mother and brother in a few days. His mother and brother. His outburst shows there is something there, but the rest of the time his demeanor does not betrayal this. Then in the aftermath, he leaves his father alone to mourn by himself and shows no real concern for their loss after the entire incident is over.

It doesn't work for me. Not when it was his mother and brother, not when he makes the decision to go to Earth while still talking about protecting all Nine Realms. Something he can't really do from Earth.

Also, the Dark Elves were there because of Thor. They were looking for Aether, and they knew it was there. He was the one that made the decision to bring Jane there and it was him to left Frigga and Jane alone, thinking it was Loki's doing.

i chalk that up to maturity... and his progression to being a true king of Asgard... Odin handled his wife's death with quite alot of calm demeanor as well... Loki was the most devastated... and yet also the least mature and fit to be king. I think there's a major correlation their.

 

[DOOZlovesBOOZ]

i believe they addressed that in the prequel comics..

They did but those type of things really need to be explained on screen IMO.

 

[kaijunexus]

yeah but in the interview [BLACKOUT]hopkins[/BLACKOUT] said something like, he's dead, I've done 2 and that's enough

and supposedly Taylor said, yeah it took us a while to decide to kill him, we decided to do it right at the end, whatever

only Feige was a little vague about it, saying something about [BLACKOUT]"whether the all father is with us or not"[/BLACKOUT]

Spoiler

Hopkins seemed a little tired of the role in the movie itself, so I'm not surprised that he's done with Odin. Obviously, if he doesn't want to reprise the role, he's going to be happy to say that the character's dead...

I doubt Taylor has any interest in returning for another Thor film, so he also has no vested interest in Odin being alive.

Feige is the only one who would really care, and he's keeping it ambiguous. The very fact that we didn't even get a hint of Odin actually being killed is evidence enough that Marvel Studios does not see the character as being dead.

Most likely, Odin will be recast in the next film by another aged, classically-trained actor who will bring gravity to the role...and I'm fine with that. Hopkins is great and he was great as Odin in both films, but I wouldn't say that he DEFINES that character in the same way Hemsworth does with Thor, Hiddleston does with Loki, Downey does with Stark, etc.

 

[Tony Stark]

Spoiler

Hopkins seemed a little tired of the role in the movie itself, so I'm not surprised that he's done with Odin. Obviously, if he doesn't want to reprise the role, he's going to be happy to say that the character's dead...

I doubt Taylor has any interest in returning for another Thor film, so he also has no vested interest in Odin being alive.

Feige is the only one who would really care, and he's keeping it ambiguous. The very fact that we didn't even get a hint of Odin actually being killed is evidence enough that Marvel Studios does not see the character as being dead.

Most likely, Odin will be recast in the next film by another aged, classically-trained actor who will bring gravity to the role...and I'm fine with that. Hopkins is great and he was great as Odin in both films, but I wouldn't say that he DEFINES that character in the same way Hemsworth does with Thor, Hiddleston does with Loki, Downey does with Stark, etc.

I understand what you are saying. I think that Taylor did not do a good job of conveying what he wanted with Odin. The character underwent a major personality change from the first to the second movie. I'm not sure what he was trying to go for. There was a great scene in the first movie that was cut on an argument between Frigga and Odin that showed a dynamic in the character that was totally lacking in the second.

I don't want to harp on this too much, I gave the movie 8/10 and I stand by that review, but I can understand why some say they liked the first movie better.

 

[Rock Sexton]

I understand what you are saying. I think that Taylor did not do a good job of conveying what he wanted with Odin. The character underwent a major personality change from the first to the second movie. I'm not sure what he was trying to go for. There was a great scene in the first movie that was cut on an argument between Frigga and Odin that showed a dynamic in the character that was totally lacking in the second.

I don't want to harp on this too much, I gave the movie 8/10 and I stand by that review, but I can understand why some say they liked the first movie better.

Ya, Odin looked "bothered" too early in this film, with no apparent reason to be. Like during his talk with Thor as they're watching the fighters' training grounds. It was like he already had something on his mind that was pissing him off.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I didn't see any difference in Odin... he seems like a wise, yet really irritably grumpy man in both films

 

[Figs]

I didn't see any difference in Odin... he seems like a wise, yet really irritably grumpy man in both films

Same here.

To best honest, what I found funny was some critics said Hopkins was phoning in his performance in the first Thor film which I heavily disagree with. It was this sequel where I felt he didn't seem all that interested in returning. His line delivery didn't have enough power behind it this time around. I still love Hopkins in the role, I just wish he put a little more into the role like the first Thor.