Fox approached this badly, actually. In 2009, they announced the reboot, and nothing on it for the next 4 - 5 years. They literally started production towards the tail end of when the rights expire. They had it coming for their unprofessional way of approaching this film.
They also rely on the domestic market. The fact that studios keep roughly 55% of domestic box office vs 30-40% of overseas BO makes a huge difference. It's better to make at least a modest revenue domestically, than to flop domestically and hope for the best overseas.
Pacific Rim is an exception. Not the rule.Sithborg said:
I don't disagree that Fox handled this extremely poorly. But, the major problem here is Trank and no one expected this. No one. It got so bad, he lost his Star Wars job.
You can't make any money at the domestic market for any movie that cost more then $200m, unless you make over $400m domestically.
The amount available OS is far more then domestic totals. That is the entire point. Look at JW, Minions, Furious 7, and AoU just this summer.
It is the rule now. Look at PotC4 and how we are getting 5. The Transformer flicks continue to go down domestically, but up overall.
Trank's rep coming in was great. It is the actual making of this film that revealed who he is truly is. He isn't a scapegoat, he is an actual problem.
I remember when Bleeding Cool reported that Fox were trying to bring on another director and get rid of Trank and I did not believe that report but now...yeah I do. You are correct, nobody could have guessed how much trouble he would be. Josh Trank was a hot young director coming off of a well reviewed hit and Fox probably thought that he was another sorta Bryan Singer and oh boy were they wrong. I can't imagine how much they regret the decision to allow him to direct the Fantastic Four reboot.
If anyone still thought that Terminator was going to be a hit after that deplorable synopsis leaked and the horrendous EW photo shoot then they weren't paying attention close enough.
And you're making up excuse to justify Fox's crappy handling of this franchise.
That doesn't mean domestic BO isn't more important than OS. The studio gets 55% of the domestic box office. It only gets 1/3 of the OS revenue. That means international ticket sales would have to nearly double domestic ones to be more important. They usually don't.
You're not looking at Avatar's $2.7 billion close enough. It made $700m domestically. That means the studio already got $385m with domestic box office alone. Enough to earn a profit.DarkSkywalker said:
Americans continue watch movies far more than the rest of the world does. Technically, there are billions of people out there. Most of them don't watch Hollywood movies.DarkSkywalker said:
Using your logic Superman Returns, Elysium, The Seventh Son, and Jupiter Ascending were hits. They weren't.DarkSkywalker said:
Yep. And he kept the ruse up long enough to get the Star Wars job. Thankfully, Star Wars has way more time and options. They replaced Trank and his film, with a film from Lord and Miller.
I agree that is what the general audience sees. But the level of failure does matter here, at least when it comes to whether we will see a sequel.
Total upgrade.
They make 40% off OS box office. If you are going to include expenses OS, then you do domestically as well.
Where did Avatar make the bulk of its profit? Even using your numbers, it was internationally.
Then explain every single American blockbuster released this summer having a higher box office total overseas.
Uh, no. I don't even know how you make this argument.
No one has cleared a billion domestically before. It is becoming a thing more and more overseas. Especially when you can sell merch to this huge market.
It is like going from dating Honey Boo Boo's mother to dating Emma Watson.Total upgrade.
A sequel could very well be cheaper. They added a good $40-50m in trying to fix this. If we see the normal upgrade for a sequel, it would still cost less then the first film.
Even as a joke, this is totally not funny.
