Fantastic Four reborn! - - - Part 19

[Kahran Ramsus]

That isn't found footage though. Rocket didn't find it. We were simply seeing things through his point of view through his view finder.

Even in various films or TV shows where it shows a news crew and it shows it through the camera lens as if to show things from their perspective, or even if it shows a news report such as the various news bulletins at the end of The Avengers, that is not found footage. They did not find it.

Found Footage refers to the genre of film where it's supposed to be video footage that has been discovered (ie found) and is now being presented to the audience, with that footage either having been filmed by one of the characters or a third party. It's not merely the act of seeing something through the lens of a hand held camera.

Even when you see a real life news report, that is not found footage, because they didn't "find" it. The news crew shot it themselves. They knew where it was all along. However, if a news crew were out on location and they were killed, but had filmed something prior to dying, and then someone else found it, then it would be found footage.

So when something in a movie is filmed in a found footage style, it's to simulate the feeling that someone happened upon this footage - that it was, for example, discovered in the wreckage of a plane or some disaster. If in FFINO, Reed and co simply broadcast their filmed footage to an earth base, that isn't technically found footage, because then it's no different to a news report where the footage was never either lost or to be discovered, because they were in possession of it all along.

So when we see Rocket filming, that in no sense is found footage. Otherwise if it were, then soon we could ridiculously stretch the definition to include when someone looks through a pair of binoculars or through a gun sight, or even through a microscope and the audience are shown it from that point of view.

I know it isn't found footage, but it is shot first person while hiding the person whose shooting so there are some similarities in the style. That's all I meant. But it was like 30 seconds at most.

 

[Saitou Hajime]

I know it isn't found footage, but it is shot first person while hiding the person whose shooting so there are some similarities in the style. That's all I meant. But it was like 30 seconds at most.

Found footage has a certain gritty and low key feel that the vibrant presentation the Rocket scene eschews. The scene from the first Iron Man where Stark first tests the Mk II is a good example of the feel of found footage stylistically.

 

[Dark Raven]

Perhaps people should distinguish between home video/ camcorder footage and found footage. Whenever a film/TV show allows the viewer to see through the viewfinder of a cameraman, be it a professional news crew or just an amateur filmer, that is usually just home video/ camcorder footage. Found footage can be a subset of that, but it is not the greater encompassing set in itself.

In other words, found footage usually takes the form of home video/ camcorder footage, but home video/camcorder footage isn't automatically found footage.

That said, if a high quality, professionally made piece of film were lost, and then it were later found, that could still qualify as found footage. An example of this (albeit not high quality by today's standards) is several episodes of Doctor Who that were lost but found many years later.

 

[wobbly]

Perhaps people should distinguish between home video/ camcorder footage and found footage. Whenever a film/TV show allows the viewer to see through the viewfinder of a cameraman, be it a professional news crew or just an amateur filmer, that is usually just home video/ camcorder footage. Found footage can be a subset of that, but it is not the greater encompassing set in itself.

In other words, found footage usually takes the form of home video/ camcorder footage, but home video/camcorder footage isn't automatically found footage.

That said, if a high quality, professionally made piece of film were lost, and then it were later found, that could still qualify as found footage. An example of this (albeit not high quality by today's standards) is several episodes of Doctor Who that were lost but found many years later.

I think there is a distinction (or has come to be with the abundance of these efforts) is that 'found footage' is now a genre on it's own with the theme being the pretence it is all genuine film of real events that was lost & found (Blair Witch, Chronicle, Cloverfield, Paranormal Activity, etc etc) rather than it being genuine film or tape of something that never pretended to be anything but fiction that was lost & found (old Doctor Who episodes).

Some films will use a little camcorder style stuff (Iron-Man suit test scenes, Rocket with Groot, etc) but they don't count at all as 'found footage' imo as they are simply a small part of the films normal narrative, whereas stuff like Chronicle & co is entirely pretending to be something that was shot for real.

 

[Dasher10]

Kinberg mentioned an ADDITIONAL 3-4 days of shooting. Odds are that he dropped that quote when there was only a week left of reshoots and they were already shooting for a week or two.

BleedingCool has been wrong plenty of times but this sounds accurate when the terms used to describe the film were, "gritty" and "lo-fi" during initial shooting. Combined with reports that Fox weren't pleased with Trank's rough cut, he probably made a humorless film that lacked action or comedy while directing a big summer film for an IP that Fox desperately wants to hang on to.

My hope is that Fox saw OTOY as a means of saving costs on CGI which made them able to afford to add more jokes to the script along with longer action setpieces.

 

[Eddie]

Incorrect. Additional filming, as Kinberg used the term, is simply another way to say reshoots in the industry. If they filmed for over a week, Kinberg lied. If Kinberg lied, I'm inclined to think Bleding Cool has been right all along.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Incorrect. Additional filming, as Kinberg used the term, is simply another way to say reshoots in the industry. If they filmed for over a week, Kinberg lied. If Kinberg lied, I'm inclined to think Bleding Cool has been right all along.

Additional filming can mean reshoots. It can also mean pickups, and other kids of post-production filming.

 

[Dasher10]

Incorrect. Additional filming, as Kinberg used the term, is simply another way to say reshoots in the industry. If they filmed for over a week, Kinberg lied. If Kinberg lied, I'm inclined to think Bleding Cool has been right all along.

I'm thinking that BleedingCool was right and Kinberg lied to save the company's (and his own) reputation. If he came out and said, "Yeah, Trank's rough cut was pretty bad. It was so bad, I had to perform rewrites in the editing room. I saw it and shared it with the other producers and they were furious with Trank and felt that he blew their money on a CGI-driven summer film that lacked any really great action set pieces so we had to go back and add those in later. We really don't want to release a summer blockbuster that's going to bomb so we gave it two extra months of post-production time. And this is why you haven't heard a word from us."

I don't think that he can outright say that no matter how true it is.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I'm thinking that BleedingCool was right and Kinberg lied to save the company's (and his own) reputation. If he came out and said, "Yeah, Trank's rough cut was pretty bad. It was so bad, I had to perform rewrites in the editing room. I saw it and shared it with the other producers and they were furious with Trank and felt that he blew their money on a CGI-driven summer film that lacked any really great action set pieces so we had to go back and add those in later. We really don't want to release a summer blockbuster that's going to bomb so we gave it two extra months of post-production time. And this is why you haven't heard a word from us."

I don't think that he can outright say that no matter how true it is.

I maybe misremembering this, but I remember reading that Kinberg and Trank are close. Kinberg was apparently the one that got Trank the Star Wars job, really fighting for him to get it. So I could see Kinberg having his back.

 

[Dasher10]

I maybe misremembering this, but I remember reading that Kinberg and Trank are close. Kinberg was apparently the one that got Trank the Star Wars job, really fighting for him to get it. So I could see Kinberg having his back.

Which is probably why he's covering this up. That's in addition to wanting to keep his job at Fox and not wanting his potential audience to express doubt about the project.

Hopefully fan feedback got into some of these reshoots, in particular Doom's costume. Fox changed the post-credit stinger to DOFP in response to fan outrage.

 

[Eddie]

Reshoots may involve adding Latveria to the film.​

https://***********/FXPEREZ/status/558813595723898880

The head of the makeup department for The Fantastic Four will apparently be seeing Miles Teller in Romania. Could they be adding Latveria to the film in reshoots? Could be. What I find interesting about this is that it contradicts the statement from Simon Kinberg that additional filming would only take 3-4 days. This could give a great deal of credibility to the Bleeding Cool report that the entire third act is seeing drastic changes.

 

[RAE072]

Reshoots may involve adding Latveria to the film.​

https://***********/FXPEREZ/status/558813595723898880

The head of the makeup department for The Fantastic Four will apparently be seeing Miles Teller in Romania. Could they be adding Latveria to the film in reshoots? Could be. What I find interesting about this is that it contradicts the statement from Simon Kinberg that additional filming would only take 3-4 days. This could give a great deal of credibility to the Bleeding Cool report that the entire third act is seeing drastic changes.

If it does mean adding Latveria...that means Latveria might not have been present previously...

Which means we're getting a BayTurtles Shredder debacle folks.

Good god.

 

[Kelly]

If that's the case, that is a small turn in the right direction. Let's see what they do with it.

 

[Eddie]

If it does mean adding Latveria...that means Latveria might not have been present previously...

Which means we're getting a BayTurtles Shredder debacle folks.

Good god.

That's pretty much what Bleeding Cool was implying when they said the film would see an extensive overhaul of the third act. I STILL haven't sat down to actually watch the last Turtles film, but it sounds like it saved it to a certain extent, though not so much that it was a great Turtles film. Mediocre FF film on the way, maybe? Still not looking forward to it, but maybe I'll actually rent it instead of Netflix-waiting. Maybe.

 

[RAE072]

That's pretty much what Bleeding Cool was implying when they said the film would see an extensive overhaul of the third act. I STILL haven't sat down to actually watch the last Turtles film, but it sounds like it saved it to a certain extent, though not so much that it was a great Turtles film. Mediocre FF film on the way, maybe? Still not looking forward to it, but maybe I'll actually rent it instead of Netflix-waiting. Maybe.

It didn't. It really, really didn't. All they did was make Shredder Japanese(he's never even named as Oroku Saki, he's just a Japanese guy) instead of Shredder being William Fichtner/Eric Sachs as was originally planned.

And they did this by filming VERY OBVIOUSLY reshoot scenes in a very obviously cheap set and shoving them into the movie, and then overdubbing the Japanese Guy onto existing Shredder footage.

It was purely a cheap, shallow, cosmetic change and made the movie make even less sense than it originally did.

I'd say don't bother, because it's an awful movie and Turtles movie equally, but it's entirely up to you.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

It didn't. It really, really didn't. All they did was make Shredder Japanese(he's never even named as Oroku Saki, he's just a Japanese guy) instead of Shredder being William Fichtner/Eric Sachs as was originally planned.

And they did this by filming VERY OBVIOUSLY reshoot scenes in a very obviously cheap set and shoving them into the movie, and then overdubbing the Japanese Guy onto existing Shredder footage.

It was purely a cheap, shallow, cosmetic change and made the movie make even less sense than it originally did.

I'd say don't bother, because it's an awful movie and Turtles movie equally, but it's entirely up to you.

Pretty much this.

 

[Eddie]

It didn't. It really, really didn't. All they did was make Shredder Japanese(he's never even named as Oroku Saki, he's just a Japanese guy) instead of Shredder being William Fichtner/Eric Sachs as was originally planned.

And they did this by filming VERY OBVIOUSLY reshoot scenes in a very obviously cheap set and shoving them into the movie, and then overdubbing the Japanese Guy onto existing Shredder footage.

It was purely a cheap, shallow, cosmetic change and made the movie make even less sense than it originally did.

I'd say don't bother, because it's an awful movie and Turtles movie equally, but it's entirely up to you.

I've been Netflix/Prime/bargain bin-waiting on that one.

Back to the possible Romania reshoots, though. Does anyone here have any sort of experience with how much that could cost? I'm not familiar with filming in Romania at all. How much could these sort of reshoots raise the budget? I still say it'd be foolish to push this movie's budget too high. With no merchandise support and Marvel getting a cut, that could make profitability difficult.

 

[Kelly]

Fox should see a problem when on one of the largest fan driven comic book sites on the internet the fans are debating what is and is not "found footage" instead of actually discussing your big movie coming up the next summer.

You have problems Fox....

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Reshoots may involve adding Latveria to the film.​

https://***********/FXPEREZ/status/558813595723898880

The head of the makeup department for The Fantastic Four will apparently be seeing Miles Teller in Romania. Could they be adding Latveria to the film in reshoots? Could be. What I find interesting about this is that it contradicts the statement from Simon Kinberg that additional filming would only take 3-4 days. This could give a great deal of credibility to the Bleeding Cool report that the entire third act is seeing drastic changes.

I've always said: "Get Doom right and get The Thing right and a lot of other sins will be forgiven."

I don't know how much they actually shot with that awful looking Doom, but if, hypothetically there were 20 minutes toward the end of the film featuring garbage-bag Doom, they could, potentially scrap those scenes and redo them with something much closer to real Doom and possibly make the film a lot better.

Despite my pessimism, I still continue to hope for the best.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Reshoots may involve adding Latveria to the film.​

Genius! Maybe they'll do reshoots on Deadpool so they can remember to add things like guns and swords.



This entire debacle is ****ing insulting. You couldn't pay me to watch this drek.

 

[RAE072]

Genius! Maybe they'll do reshoots on Deadpool so they can remember to add things like guns and swords.



This entire debacle is ****ing insulting. You couldn't pay me to watch this drek.

Seriously.

Oh thank god! They're adding in something that should have been there from the beginning AFTER the fact!

 

[Eddie]

Genius! Maybe they'll do reshoots on Deadpool so they can remember to add things like guns and swords.



This entire debacle is ****ing insulting. You couldn't pay me to watch this drek.

This is the studio that released a Dragon Ball adaptation in which Piccolo had to be made green in post and then promptly forgot to use the completed shots on the box art for the home release, where Piccolo still looks yellow-green. What did you expect?

 

[The Shape]

Isn't it a little late in the game for reshoots like this?

 

[Whiskey Tango]

"Let's throw in a few easter eggs, fanboys are super easy to appease when they think you give a ****."

This is the studio that released a Dragon Ball adaptation in which Piccolo had to be made green in post and then promptly forgot to use the completed shots on the box art for the home release, where Piccolo still looks yellow-green. What did you expect?

I don't know anything about dragonball but I'm not at all surprised.

 

[Eddie]

Isn't it a little late in the game for reshoots like this?

Yes. Yes it is.