Fant4stic Fantastic Four Box Office Prediction Thread - Part 5

[Krystal]

Who here was pushing for slavish detail for detail recreation of the comic in film form?
I saw no one here advocating that. We all know that many, many things will be changed from comic to film.
The folks here were complaining about the complete lack of respect for the source material.
Dr Doom as a blogger named Domashev?
Complaining about that does not make us kooks or fanatics--- it makes us sensible.
Don't compare the boosters of this junk movie to fanatic fanboys--- when there were almost none of those around here.
And if this movie had been as faithful as possible while maintaining a real world sensibility and such fanatics would have complained about silly minutia-- those folks would have been drowned out by sensible fans

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

I personally put self appointed guardians of the temple who don't want to see any change to their beloved properties who went through as many changes as you can think of during decades of publication in the very same bag as contrarians.
If it was for the "loyal fanbase", Nolan's Joker shouldn't exist, GoTG would suck because Drax wasn't engineered by Kronos and infused with the spirit of Arthur Douglas, Trevor Slattery would be the worst thing that ever happened in a cbm, Superman should still wear his red briefs instead of the kick-a** suit we got in MoS ... and I can go on and on. Some people cannot get the difference between cosmetic changes, useful changes that are dictated by the story, by the need to update some outdated cliches and changes that affect the very core of an IP.

I'm not coming in defense of those who defended and are still defending that abomination of a movie but lets not pretend fanboyism is doing the genre any service either.

Sorry but um...no.

None of us wanted a page-for-page cinematic translation of this or any other comic. We don't want to see a chauvinist-era 1960s Sue Storm getting smacked around by Reed Richards. By the same token, we also don't want to see a Doctor Doom with goat hooves either.

We want balance. Such a thing is possible, as evidenced by what's happening in the MCU and even the Sony Spider-Man films. It's perfectly feasible to capture the SPIRIT of these characters AND update them on film.

This is a strictly FOX studio malady. They are idiots, plain and simple. It's not that they CAN'T adapt these heroes accurately--the truth is they don't WANT to. And the fans, critics and GA collectively kicked their asses for such negligence this time.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Oh, and can we all just collectively LOL for a moment at the fact that Marvel's Ant-Man is STILL in the Box Office Top 10...and Fant4Stic (released a month after Ant-Man) is practically out the top 20 already?

 

[Pokkle]

Oh, and can we all just collectively LOL for a moment at the fact that Marvel's Ant-Man is STILL in the Box Office Top 10...and Fant4Stic (released a month after Ant-Man) is practically out the top 20 already?

 

[InCali]

Sorry but um...no.

None of us wanted a page-for-page cinematic translation of this or any other comic. We don't want to see a chauvinist-era 1960s Sue Storm getting smacked around by Reed Richards. By the same token, we also don't want to see a Doctor Doom with goat hooves either.

We want balance. Such a thing is possible, as evidenced by what's happening in the MCU and even the Sony Spider-Man films. It's perfectly feasible to capture the SPIRIT of these characters AND update them on film.

This is a strictly FOX studio malady. They are idiots, plain and simple. It's not that they CAN'T adapt these heroes accurately--the truth is they don't WANT to. And the fans, critics and GA collectively kicked their asses for such negligence this time.

I want to see a relatively faithful telling of the stories, but, no, they don't have to exactly like the comics. I'd like to see a flashback to Reed and Ben in college, Kaboom Doom, sneaking into the base, and voila FF!! Make some changes. Nolan's Batman was terrific. GotG was also. Ant-Man ditto.

Cap's story was what I would call a relatively faithful origin story and it worked just fine.

That being said, I held higher standards when it came to a faithful retelling to The Lord of the Rings. While I liked the movies, I would have liked to have seen Farmer Maggot, Tom Bombadil, Fog on the Barrow Downs, etc. and think it COULD have been done. After seeing what was done to the Hobbit, however, LotR looks like a place of peace and beauty.

 

[JKKS085]

Who here was pushing for slavish detail for detail recreation of the comic in film form?
I saw no one here advocating that. We all know that many, many things will be changed from comic to film.
The folks here were complaining about the complete lack of respect for the source material.
Dr Doom as a blogger named Domashev?
Complaining about that does not make us kooks or fanatics--- it makes us sensible.
Don't compare the boosters of this junk movie to fanatic fanboys--- when there were almost none of those around here.
And if this movie had been as faithful as possible while maintaining a real world sensibility and such fanatics would have complained about silly minutia-- those folks would have been drowned out by sensible fans

No argument there. Being faithful in spirit is what most of us sensible fans are indeed expecting from a comic book adaptation. And just so we're clear I think most of the complaints about the FF reboot were well founded and I'm not calling anyone out here. It was an ill-conceived project from the get go especially because none of the individuals involved had any respect or love for the property. But then again I put the supporters of the whole Victor Domashev nonsense in the exact same bag as those who complained about either minimal or clever/sensible changes in comic book movies.

 

[Eddie]

Slightly off topic, but Lord of the Rings could have benefited from giving each "book" (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, & 6) a film (as opposed to each volume).

As for the FF box office, I saw that it only made 6.8 million dollars overseas for the weekend. It was in 65 markets. Glad to see the international audiences doing their part. Fox probably won't be pulling a Garfield and greenlighting a European based sequel due to foreign success on THIS comic property.

 

[InCali]

Slightly off topic, but Lord of the Rings could have benefited from giving each "book" (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, & 6) a film (as opposed to each volume).

As for the FF box office, I saw that it only made 6.8 million dollars overseas for the weekend. It was in 65 markets. Glad to see the international audiences doing their part. Fox probably won't be pulling a Garfield and greenlighting a European based sequel due to foreign success on THIS comic property.

Eddie is my new hero. And they could have smunched the time between the "shorter" movies and made sort of a movie mini-series out of it.

I like the fact that Marvel makes standalone movies that are related to each other and think it's generally a great idea. Willing to make an exception for Professor Tolkien's works. Love the Marvel tied in Universe idea

My collection of his works is on my website.

What's the over/under on FF OS Box Office numbers?

 

[Mightmitenot]

Isn't this beating the copse of a horse? It's dead Jim. Let the rotting equine fade into obscurity!

 

[Adhesive Boy]

This was a fantastic disaster. I hope the people making the calls at Fox never allows anyone to make another FF movie there again.

 

[X-Maniac]

Considering that Fox holds Doctor Doom, Galactus, Annihilus, Silver Surfer, Skrulls, the Watcher.. they seriously dropped the ball....

What they were thinking, and doing, we will never really know for sure.

it's extremely worrying to see such potential squandered, and such an IP mismanaged, in this incompetent fashion. Poor old Mark Millar clearly has zero influence, Simon Kinberg's writing skills have Galacta-clouds of doubt hanging over them and Fox's entire thought process now looks totally flawed.

I'm not excusing other comic book film flaws though. A neck-snapping Man of Steel, a joke Mandarin, etc, etc, there have been many other odd ideas where directors veered far from the material and somehow thought it would be okay. However, Marvel now seems immune from box office damage because it has generally earned the trust of fanboys and can deliver solid and entertaining films where the general spirit of the material is there, even if the details are increasingly not accurate.

 

[JKKS085]

I'm not excusing other comic book film flaws though. A neck-snapping Man of Steel, a joke Mandarin, etc, etc, there have been many other odd ideas where directors veered far from the material and somehow thought it would be okay.

What Mandarin ? As far as I recall he has yet to enter the MCU even if his presence has been acknowledged.
The Mandarin wasn't in Iron Man 3, plain and simple. How many times are we gonna have to go through this ?

 

[InCali]

What Mandarin ? As far as I recall he has yet to enter the MCU even if his presence has been acknowledged.
The Mandarin wasn't in Iron Man 3, plain and simple. How many times are we gonna have to go through this ?

The "joke" Mandarin. That rather disappointed me. I know some liked IM3, the Mandarin was my fav IM villain and I found the ending disappointing. Ben Kingsley is SUCH a good actor though. Disappointment aside, I had to give Ben a thumbs up on his performance.

 

[Dark Raven]

The "joke" Mandarin. That rather disappointed me. I know some liked IM3, the Mandarin was my fav IM villain and I found the ending disappointing. Ben Kingsley is SUCH a good actor though. Disappointment aside, I had to give Ben a thumbs up on his performance.

Same here. Mandarin was my favourite IM villain too. I never thought of him as a yellow peril stereotype and I'm Asian myself. I thought of him more like the mystical, near-unbeatable villains you got in these classic Kung Fu films made by the Chinese themselves like the villain in Drunken Master, Snake in the Eagle's Shadow or Invincible Armor (all played by Korean martial artist Hwang Jang Lee). I think Shane Black simply didn't have the vision for it because he could only imagine him in one particular way.

 

[JKKS085]

The "joke" Mandarin. That rather disappointed me. I know some liked IM3, the Mandarin was my fav IM villain and I found the ending disappointing. Ben Kingsley is SUCH a good actor though. Disappointment aside, I had to give Ben a thumbs up on his performance.

But that wasn't the Mandarin. People might be upset that his persona was used to that effect (which was I think one of the smartest most thoughtful and provocative thing Marvel ever did on film) but the "real" Mandarin hasn't been introduced in the MCU yet.

 

[Tymminator]

I want this to be looked at so bad, that it's not easily fogotten and that Fox will want to get rid off it and just focus on the X-verse for the time being.

 

[Surfer]

Sorry but um...no.

None of us wanted a page-for-page cinematic translation of this or any other comic. We don't want to see a chauvinist-era 1960s Sue Storm getting smacked around by Reed Richards. By the same token, we also don't want to see a Doctor Doom with goat hooves either.

We want balance. Such a thing is possible, as evidenced by what's happening in the MCU and even the Sony Spider-Man films. It's perfectly feasible to capture the SPIRIT of these characters AND update them on film.

This is a strictly FOX studio malady. They are idiots, plain and simple. It's not that they CAN'T adapt these heroes accurately--the truth is they don't WANT to. And the fans, critics and GA collectively kicked their asses for such negligence this time.

Exactly this^^^^

It is all about capturing the spirit and essence of the comics and the characters, which Fox has no consideration of or understanding that make the franchise under their control such a massive failure.

Surfer

 

[Tilapia]

Next up on the docket will undoubtedly be a Silver Surfer film unless they work out a deal with Disney. That's the only way to make a transition from this atrocity and retain the rights for another seven years.

 

[First Avenger]

Sorry but um...no.

None of us wanted a page-for-page cinematic translation of this or any other comic. We don't want to see a chauvinist-era 1960s Sue Storm getting smacked around by Reed Richards. By the same token, we also don't want to see a Doctor Doom with goat hooves either.

We want balance. Such a thing is possible, as evidenced by what's happening in the MCU and even the Sony Spider-Man films. It's perfectly feasible to capture the SPIRIT of these characters AND update them on film.

This is a strictly FOX studio malady. They are idiots, plain and simple. It's not that they CAN'T adapt these heroes accurately--the truth is they don't WANT to. And the fans, critics and GA collectively kicked their asses for such negligence this time.

This post...I like it.

 

[TeeKay]

This post...I like it.

 

[Lord]

But Kingley's character pre-revelation didn't have much to do with the comics mandarin either. In the comics, the Mandarin is a supergenius who knows about martial arts and is powerful enough to Karate chop Iron Man, guess what, that's precisely what Killian was, as while we are shown early that Tony Stark once did him wrong, getting revenge on Tony was not his main motivation in the film.

 

[First Avenger]

Was just thinking about that. t:

 

[Tymminator]

I don't see Fox doing a Silver Surfer film, just as I feel the X-franchise is never going to touch the Shiar or go cosmic/space in any type of way.

 

[Krystal]

Next up on the docket will undoubtedly be a Silver Surfer film unless they work out a deal with Disney. That's the only way to make a transition from this atrocity and retain the rights for another seven years.

I'm certain they can't retain FF rights by doing a solo Surfer movie---even with cameos by the FF.
I don't think making movies with the side characters allows them to keep the main franchise. If Marvel made a deal like that---then they were both desperate and stupid back then.

 

[Surfer]

But Kingley's character pre-revelation didn't have much to do with the comics mandarin either. In the comics, the Mandarin is a supergenius who knows about martial arts and is powerful enough to Karate chop Iron Man, guess what, that's precisely what Killian was, as while we are shown early that Tony Stark once did him wrong, getting revenge on Tony was not his main motivation in the film.

I don't think Mandarin was Marvel Studios finest hour to be honest, but I feel Marvel realized there was a lot of fan disappointment with how they interpreted the character and did what they could to fix it with All Hail the King. By making neither Trevor or Killian the Mandarin it allows hope someday that we will get a better interpretation of Mandarin, and feeds into the idea of doing a slow burn of introducing the character as a legend with connections to everything that has happened thus far.

Surfer