Comics Final Issue of X-Men: Genesis

[siops]

Oh, no doubt what Xavier did was wrong; but like I said, it may have been a necessary deception. Scott is the one who may need to take time off to collect himself and forgive Xavier.

So Scott should be the one who leave? Why? He did nothing wrong. And what's this collect himself thing? He already understands what xavier did, I mean scott said so himself. Forgivness doesnt come easy for any of us and most of us would probably do what scott did and that is to lash out to the one that wronged us. As for what the x-men think about xavier right now we dont really know if they are okay with him or otherwise until Bru's Uncanny debut.

 

[Optic Rage]

When did Xavier say he abandoned the X-Men?Also, just because he doesn't live at the mansion does not mean he doesn't own it.

Did you not read New X-Men? after Xorneto attacked Manhatten and demolished the mansion, Xavier decided to move on from the institute and not carry on with the X-men and teaching the new students...he was ''disillusioned'' with the dream.

So yes, he abandoned the X-Men when they needed him the most.

Cyclops was convincied by Emma[well by jean really] to reform the X-men and rebuild the mansion[with Emmas money so she sorta OWNS the mansion]..and to carry on Xavier's dream. If he didnt the world was doomed etc etc[as soon in HCT]

Uh...no. I don't know where you live at but you can't just build a house on somebody else land. Everything on that land belongs to Xavier. Unless Scott or Emma have bought the land from Xavier, which we have no record of.

Well i assume that Xavier passed it on to Scott...thats why he is co head, even tough he still calls the shots. And just because it didnt happen on panel dosent mean it didnt happen. I really doubt the writers want to bore us with the details on who owns the land and how its passed on or if Xavier left it to Scott. But we do know for a fact that Emma & Scott own the mansion..so even if Xavier owns the land im sure he is quite welcome to sleep in the backgarden.

Sadly, their not getting anything done.

Consideirng what just happend with the House of M and the sentinals on the front yard..i think they have an excuse. But at least they have a PR team now...and are actually trying to go foward with sociaty and show a good image.

And anyways its better then no X-men at all and the world being doomed which is what would have happend if Scott didnt take over the school.

It's also HIS Name on the sign... if they really want to kick him out then they need to change the name of the school... or what's left of it. Honestly Emma and Scott... what did they do? Get most of their X-students killed.

So what if its his name? Plenty of places keep the orginal name of the first owners even if its under diff managment. and plus im sure Scott wanted to keep Xaviers name on the door. But i am quite suprised Emma has not changed the name...it seems like something she would do.

I found it quite pompous of Scott to even attempt to kick Charles out of his own house.

Like i said. Its not his school.

You know as soon as i read the issue i knew some people would be all over Scott for doing this..but i think its about time someone put xavier in his place. while it is a tad harsh to kick him out but since the very first issue chuck has been doing what he wants when he wants. Never asking peoples permissions...Scott has never questioned him...but this was the last straw and Xavier needs to learn that he cant always do what he wants and expect Scott to understand...i admire Cyke for standing up to him...and i belive its actually Scott teaching Chuck the lesson for once.

Xavier ****s up to you know...even tough he hates to admit it.

This time next year they will be father and son again anyways.

P.s Sipos is right..the majorty of the X-men are quite pissed with Chuck at the mo.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

So Scott should be the one who leave? Why? He did nothing wrong. And what's this collect himself thing? He already understands what xavier did, I mean scott said so himself. Forgivness doesnt come easy for any of us and most of us would probably do what scott did and that is to lash out to the one that wronged us. As for what the x-men think about xavier right now we dont really know if they are okay with him or otherwise until Bru's Uncanny debut.

He should leave because it's not his house. By "collect himself", I didn't mean understand what Xavier did, just go away till he's able to forgive Charles or not.

P.s Sipos is right..the majorty of the X-men are quite pissed with Chuck at the mo.

At the end of DG, only Scot and Alex appeared to be mad at him. The others are either cool with his return(Beast) or neutral(Rachel).

 

[siops]

He should leave because it's not his house. By "collect himself", I didn't mean understand what Xavier did, just go away till he's able to forgive Charles or not.

you really dont like scott do you? why does he have to go away to be able to forgive xavier?

 

[Valechan]

He has to go away period. He's the crappiest thing to happen to the X-School since its inception.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

It's hard being under the same roof as somebody who's wronged you; especially on the level of what Charles did to Scott. And since Scott is still a legal "guest" in Charles' house, he should hit the road till he's ready to do whatever he chooses. I don't dislike Scott, just that Xavier is the headmaster. Always has been, always will be.

 

[siops]

It's hard being under the same roof as somebody who's wronged you; especially on the level of what Charles did to Scott. And since Scott is still a legal "guest" in Charles' house, he should hit the road till he's ready to do whatever he chooses. I don't dislike Scott, just that Xavier is the headmaster. Always has been, always will be.

So because Scott is angry at Xavier, he must go separate himself from the institute until he is ready to forgive Xavier? sounds like Scott is the one being punished there.
Oh and Xavier is not the headmaster anymore. That was the point that bru is trying to make. Scott runs the institute now. Xavier retired. What Xavier going to do anyway? Call his lawyers? I doubt he will do that anyway..

 

[Valechan]

Xavier's not Xavier's without Xavier...

 

[Wolverazio]

I don't dislike Scott, just that Xavier is the headmaster. Always has been, always will be.

Except he's not headmaster. He originally had planned on leaving the school to Jean to run (naming her headmaster and saying he wants nothing to do with it) but when she died he still left it to Scott (Scott is the one that made Emma co-headmistress, so I think in the legality of it, chances are Scott actually owns the title of the land and building).

Just because he wants to come back now doesn't change anything...he quit. And if you were to quit a job (even at the top) and sell out secrets to a competitor (or imbezzle while in charge only to be found out later) chances are they wouldn't just say, "ah, forgive and forget, get back here baldy."

But the real conflict here isn't so much the land or who actually owns the place (just window dressing) the real conflict is a divide; one group that believes Xavier is a hero no matter what (thinking similar to Xavier's, and I'm not saying this is invalid) and those (like myself) that think it is very easy for the rigtheous and powerful to be deceived/tricked into "evil" by their own good intentions.

What Xavier did was wrong, period. He got his own team captured, got another group killed, and then sent a third team in who could have also possibly got killed. And he sat back and watched it happen...and now he expects everyone to just forgive him? "Necessary" or not, that's BS...in my ever so humble opinion.

But like I said, I think this retcon is good and truthful for the character so I accept it. The people that don't like it don't think Xavier is corruptable or at least wrong/corruptable in this case (don't want to speak for anyone just giving my impression) so they hate it.

And as far as X-Men not being angry at Xavier...well the other ones didn't have anything personally vested. Beast was with the Avengers at the time (or just elsewhere, he was not with the team captured by Krakoa).

So the ones that would be angry would logically be Cyke/Havok (captured AND were deceived about a third brother when they've had so much loss in their lives), Angel and Iceman (Jeannie babe's not around, obviously). Sides, I'm sure there's a guilt since those captured are partially "responsible" for the death of 2 innocents (if they weren't trapped, the second team never would have had to rescue them).

Xavier's not Xavier's without Xavier...

The "dream" is bigger than one man, and the Institute represents the dream, not the man.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

1. Scott can't even run a succesful relationship, let alone a school.

2. Yes, Xavier could and should call his lawyers. The Law > Optic Blasts

 

[siops]

1. Scott can't even run a succesful relationship, let alone a school.

2. Yes, Xavier could and should call his lawyers. The Law > Optic Blasts

1. What's his personal life have to do with his professional one?

2 Well Xavier calls his lawyers Cykes has Emma from mess with Xavier and his lawyers (only fair since Xavier mindwiped Emma too)

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Look at how many kids have died since Scott's been in charge. His approval rating can't be too high right now. They should take a vote as to who the headmaster should be, if they don't wanan bring the law into it.

 

[Wolverazio]

Look at how many kids have died since Scott's been in charge. His approval rating can't be too high right now. They should take a vote as to who the headmaster should be, if they don't wanan bring the law into it.

1) And how many have died while Xavier was running the show? And how many did Xavier kill? (did he kill any X-Men while Onslaught?)

2) See, that's your catch 22. Chances are, Brubaker would write it if Xavier did call his lawyers, at which point it goes something like this:

Chuckles: They kicked me out of my school!

Chuckles' lawyer: Is this true?

Cyclops (pulling out a deed signed by Xavier): No, I kicked him out of my school.

Chuckles' lawyer (glaring at Xavier): Don't waste my f**king time a**shole.

Chuckles: It's times like these I would give the ability to walk for my telepathy...

 

[siops]

Look at how many kids have died since Scott's been in charge. His approval rating can't be too high right now.

It was a suprise attack. How would it be different if Xavier was in charge?

 

[Valechan]

No one died during Onslaught. Xavier would have known better than to sneak them during the night.

 

[HandOfFate]

Did you not read New X-Men? after Xorneto attacked Manhatten and demolished the mansion, Xavier decided to move on from the institute and not carry on with the X-men and teaching the new students...he was ''disillusioned'' with the dream.

So yes, he abandoned the X-Men when they needed him the most.

I'm guessing you didn't read Excalibur. While Prof. X was disillusioned about his dream, he never abandoned the X-Men as you put it. IIRC, Xavier was the one who called the X-men to help him deal with Wanda.

Cyclops was convincied by Emma[well by jean really] to reform the X-men and rebuild the mansion[with Emmas money so she sorta OWNS the mansion]..and to carry on Xavier's dream. If he didnt the world was doomed etc etc[as soon in HCT]

So in other words this would be a discussion between Xavier and Emma, not Scott. Scott has no legal say in this matter

Well i assume that Xavier passed it on to Scott...thats why he is co head, even tough he still calls the shots. And just because it didnt happen on panel dosent mean it didnt happen. I really doubt the writers want to bore us with the details on who owns the land and how its passed on or if Xavier left it to Scott.

You’re assuming a lot here, mostly because Xavier has never been classified as dead, while he's gone missing a couple of time, he's never been officially decease.

But we do know for a fact that Emma & Scott own the mansion..so even if Xavier owns the land im sure he is quite welcome to sleep in the backgarden.

Uh...while Emma and maybe Warren might own the mansion they don’t own the land it standing own. If Xavier wanted to he could have the X-Mansion destroyed.

Looking back...this is a pointless debate seeing that we really don't know who owns what.

 

[Valechan]

Exactly, there is no issue that clearly specifies that.

And btw, Xavier left the X-Men to rebuild Genosha, to X-Pand his dream. He didn't quit on it.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

It was a suprise attack. How would it be different if Xavier was in charge?

Kinda hard to surprise a telepath. Emma and Rachel clearly weren't doing their jobs either.

 

[siops]

Kinda hard to surprise a telepath. Emma and Rachel clearly weren't doing their jobs either.

but he is not a telepath anymore during that time. he was depowered remember? And the whole new x-men thing is PIS.

 

[Valechan]

PIS?? What is the meaning of that??? (I don't like it btw, I prefer the previous writers far more...)

 

[siops]

PIS?? What is the meaning of that??? (I don't like it btw, I prefer the previous writers far more...)

Plot Induced Stupidity. I also prefer the previous writers.

 

[Optic Rage]

He has to go away period. He's the crappiest thing to happen to the X-School since its inception.

I see you still are not able to form opinion that doesn't come from your extreme biasness.

Ah well you might not like Scott but hey at least he's in the #1 selling X-book and not to mention the fact that Scott and Emma are pretty much the #1 thing talked about in Marvel at the mo[excluding Civil war which Scott is also in btw]...while Storm is being used as a plot device in some crappy ass book that nobody reads.

Oh and having sex on a plane.

I can see why your bitter.

No one died during Onslaught. Xavier would have known better than to sneak them during the night.

Actually i believed a few civilians died at the hands of Onslaught.

I'm guessing you didn't read Excalibur. While Prof. X was disillusioned about his dream, he never abandoned the X-Men as you put it. IIRC, Xavier was the one who called the X-men to help him deal with Wanda.

Perhaps abandoned is a strong word...but his leaving the mansion and the X-men destroyed & disbanded still would of cost Earth everything..If it wasn't for Jean, Emma and Scott.

You’re assuming a lot here, mostly because Xavier has never been classified as dead, while he's gone missing a couple of time, he's never been officially dead.

Yes i am....but what other logical explanation is there for Scott now owning and running the school? He said himself that he ''runs the show now''....id seriously doubt he would kick Xavier out of a house that he dosent even own.

Looking back...this is a pointless debate seeing that we really don't know who owns what.

Yes i agree...and at the end of the day it doesn't really matter who owns what. But what Xavier did was VERY wrong..and he knows it..and I'm pretty sure he understands why Scott did what he did..and perhaps the reason he joins the Uncanny team is to redeem himself.

It was understandable for Scott to do what he did...how would you lot react? a smile on your face and pat Xavier on the back? I doubt it.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

but he is not a telepath anymore during that time. he was depowered remember? And the whole new x-men thing is PIS.

I was assuming pre-HOM.

 

[siops]

I was assuming pre-HOM.

the incident woudnt happen if HOM didnt happen.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

I'm being hypothetical. Pre-HOM Xavier would have handled this better than post-HOM Cyclops did. I don't know how things would have turned out of a powerless Xavier was running the school.