Fire vs Ice...Human Torch vs Ice Man??? Please...

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Human Torch Vs Ice Man

  1. Johnny Storm

  2. Bobby Drake

  3. Draw

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  1. X

    X Well-Known Member

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    Got absolutely no idea to be honest with you. Saw scans of it though.
     
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  2. Gambit8370

    Gambit8370 Well-Known Member

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    I didn't say buy a frickin overpriced CGC copy...:rolleyes:

    I bet you I can find a copy at Wizard World Chicago for under 3 bucks.
     
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  3. X

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    You bet? There's one you'd lose.

    And did you even remotely look at that link? It's almost 20 bucks for a very fine copy, and that's it on sale. No "CGC" copy there either, that's off one of the best comic sites on the internet.
     
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  4. Gambit8370

    Gambit8370 Well-Known Member

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    See, though, that's the beauty of comic conventions.

    There are tons of mooks who inherited their daddy's or uncle's comic collections who slap a "2-FOR-A-DOLLAR" sign on a bunch of boxes that us collectors swarm over like a pack of slathering vultures.

    I'll find one for under 3 bucks.

    Mark my words.
     
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  5. X

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    Ahahaha, you've definitely got me there.

    Be honest with you, I've never even been to a comic convention so I woulden't exactly know how things work there.

    Sorry. :o
     
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  6. Lackey

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    doesn't matter if you find one under 3 bucks because you said "check out the back issue bin" you didn't say "go to a comicon and check out what mooks are selling"

    You find a copy under 3 bucks in a comic book store and then you'll prove yourself right.
     
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  7. Midnight Ice

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    i was about to make those same points! :xmen:
     
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  8. Odin's Lapdog

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    Ice man

    far more versatile with his gifts..
     
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  9. XFanTim

    XFanTim Two-Time DTL Champion

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    Did a little Googling to find out more about Bobby fighting the Stranger. Apparently Iceman has had a power upgrade

    So apparently now 616 Iceman can do the teleporting through water thing and recreate himself after being completely vaporized. I'd say that gives him a definite edge over Torch in a fight to the death (since Johnny's a good bit more killable.) I'm still not so sure Bobby could incapacitate Torch with non-lethal methods, though. Can Torch raise his own body temperature? Or is he just totally immune to his own heat? If it's the latter, maybe Iceman could cool him internally until he passes out (since Iceman doesn't just shoot ice, he can lower temperatures by simply thinking it).
     
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  10. Gambit8370

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    Touche'.
     
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  11. Torchd

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    For anyone who actually read the comic does "without the use of his usual ice slide" mean he can fly? And did you get to see him fly? Thanks
     
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  12. X

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    Well, Johnny's been known to actually boil his own blood before, to get rid of a poison. So, there you have it.
     
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  13. Midnight Ice

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    bioling his own blood wont do anything against his opponent who can flas sreeze his lungs or brian. :xmen:
     
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  14. spiderxxman

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    i vote iceman, but how is torch winning by that much votes is iceman could just freeze his lungs like iceman03 said.
     
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  15. X

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    I concur. But, question needed to be anwsered, so... :up:
     
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  16. Midnight Ice

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    :up: OK :xmen:
     
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  17. Varient

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    By comics : Iceman hands down.

    In the Movies:The Torch.

    Reasons:

    In Comics 616 Universe Iceman has more control over heat, moisture and his immediate enviroment he has survived in space.
     
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  18. Varient

    Varient Guru for Geeks

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    Gotta add:
    Technically bobby can just "turn off" the torch when he's in range. :oo
     
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  19. XFanTim

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    True, but again that's assuming Bobby is willing to kill. But maybe that's the standard assumption for this sort of thing.

    Really? Has he actually done this in the comics?
     
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  20. Varient

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    To be clear:
    "Iceman" "Controls Heat" in a localized area.

    Everything he does involves being able to gather moisture from the air and freeze it.

    VERY INTENSE POWER BECAUSE:
    Imagine how much water it takes to make an "Ice Slide" or heck,.. An "Ice Bat"
    That amount of water, (which he pulls from the air), would easily cover the entire floor of an office building as moisture is normally distributed in atmosphere, (More near ocean,..less in desert, but you get the idea.)
    Yet he's able to collect it quickly and either make an iceslide for transport, a tool for a fight or freeze you,.. all in less time than it takes to say it.

    Are you aware of what it would take for a Machine to pull water out of air and produce an "ice Bat" in less than a second?
    And he's more selective than the Torch.

    Johnny can absorb and manip flame and heat.

    Bobby can suck moisture from the air,.... or any nearby watersource without effecting anything else, control his own and any local temperture from ambiant to 100's below kelvan.

    I'm not even going into the White Queen's spin on his powers.

    If Johhny flies within range, Bobby just pulls the moisture and heat from around him,... he falls and does a mummy.
     
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  21. Midnight Ice

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    that is a great point! :xmen:
     
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  22. Torchd

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  23. Varient

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    Geee,... Based on your handle,


    I wonder who you "feel" would win? :rolleyes:
     
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  24. X

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    Ahahaha, well, we've got an Iceman sn in here too, although he's actually presented facts and what not.
     
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  25. Midnight Ice

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    Yes! Here I am. Facts are good. They are the only way to prove something. Such as a battle... :xmen:
     
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