The Rise of Skywalker For those that have seen it, a spoiler thread...

[samsnee]

Here’s the one scene that best shows what went wrong with this movie. In the final battle, Poe thinks all is lost. Then we hear Lando’s voice and as expected, we see an army of rebel ships from different parts of the galaxy joining the fight. The music swells. It’s definitely meant to be a crowd pleasing moment.

But then do we actually get any scenes with those different ships helping take down the Star Destroyers? Nope, we cut back to the Emperor who immediately uses his lightning to render them useless.

This played like the scene in Infinity War when Cap thinks he’s all alone against Thanos. Then the dusted slowly come back and they all get a moment in battle. Imagine instead if Thanos basically immediately handicapped them.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Here’s the one scene that best shows what went wrong with this movie. In the final battle, Poe thinks all is lost. Then we hear Lando’s voice and as expected, we see an army of rebel ships from different parts of the galaxy joining the fight. The music swells. It’s definitely meant to be a crowd pleasing moment.

But then do we actually get any scenes with those different ships helping take down the Star Destroyers? Nope, we cut back to the Emperor who immediately uses his lightning to render them useless.

This played like the scene in Infinity War when Cap thinks he’s all alone against Thanos. Then the dusted slowly come back and they all get a moment in battle. Imagine instead if Thanos basically immediately handicapped them.

When that happened I leaned over to the wife and said I liked this moment more when I saw it in Avengers: Endgame. It totally is going for that same type of moment, but it just doesn't earn it

 

[Tg11]

If Palpatine is Rey's grandfather then how did he even find the time to have a child, let alone Rey's father who was Palpatine's own son?

Better yet why would Palpatine have his own son killed? That to me makes no sense especially when he should be all about family...I would think he would want an heir and what I don't get is why he couldn't just raise his own son and train him to be a Sith?

Another thing...if the Emperor knew he had a granddaughter then why wouldn't he just have Rey brought to him when she was a kid and then raise her as well as train her to be a Sith especially if he knew his granddaughter to be powerful? That makes no sense to me also

 

[Detective Conan]

If Palpatine is Rey's grandfather then how did he even find the time to have a child, let alone Rey's father who was Palpatine's own son

It’s been implied before that Palphs could influence the midiclorians to create life like Anakin. So maybe that’s it since I can’t see ol’ Sheev having any copulation of any kind with someone since I’ve always figured him as being asexual.

 

[Breogan]

Chewie got his medal 10/10

It’s funny how what you are exposed to beforehand taints your viewing. (despite the collective narrative)

 

[Sithborg]

If Palpatine is Rey's grandfather then how did he even find the time to have a child, let alone Rey's father who was Palpatine's own son?

Better yet why would Palpatine have his own son killed? That to me makes no sense especially when he should be all about family...I would think he would want an heir and what I don't get is why he couldn't just raise his own son and train him to be a Sith?

Another thing...if the Emperor knew he had a granddaughter then why wouldn't he just have Rey brought to him when she was a kid and then raise her as well as train her to be a Sith especially if he knew his granddaughter to be powerful? That makes no sense to me also

I mean, there are plenty of ways it could have happened, even with out him actually having to do the deed. We still do not fully know what was going on on Mustafar, where the Inquisitors would take all the Jedi and Sidious even had his little force sensitive baby nursery.

As for Sheev Jr being trained as a Sith, I think it is clear that Sheev Jr resisted any attempts to convert him. I also suspect that Sheev Jr wasn't quite as powerful as Vader or Luke, thus Palpatine focused more on Vader and Luke.

As for having the Inquisitor kill Sheev Jr, I suspect it is because Palpatine sensed that Rey was more powerful than Sheev Jr, as well as Sheev Jr already proven to be resistant to his plans. And Snoke/Palpatine never wanted to kill Rey either.

 

[samsnee]

When that happened I leaned over to the wife and said I liked this moment more when I saw it in Avengers: Endgame. It totally is going for that same type of moment, but it just doesn't earn it

No it doesn’t. It relies too much on fan service.

 

[Tg11]

It’s been implied before that Palphs could influence the midiclorians to create life like Anakin. So maybe that’s it since I can’t see ol’ Sheev having any copulation of any kind with someone since I’ve always figured him for being asexual.

I know right

 

[Tg11]

I mean, there are plenty of ways it could have happened, even with out him actually having to do the deed. We still do not fully know what was going on on Mustafar, where the Inquisitors would take all the Jedi and Sidious even had his little force sensitive baby nursery.

As for Sheev Jr being trained as a Sith, I think it is clear that Sheev Jr resisted any attempts to convert him. I also suspect that Sheev Jr wasn't quite as powerful as Vader or Luke, thus Palpatine focused more on Vader and Luke.

As for having the Inquisitor kill Sheev Jr, I suspect it is because Palpatine sensed that Rey was more powerful than Sheev Jr, as well as Sheev Jr already proven to be resistant to his plans. And Snoke/Palpatine never wanted to kill Rey either.

But still for him to off his own son or to have his own son killed thinking about it in your way it kind of makes sense but if Rey was that powerful...then why wouldn't he want her power or her in general on his side as an ally? I mean if she were raised as a Sith then the Emperor could have had a stranglehold on the galaxy...surprised he didn't think things through being such a mastermind and all

 

[Sithborg]

I mean, he did want her. Rey's parents were successfully able to hide her from the Inquisitor who was after them.

 

[kickass]

Some of y’all don’t deserve JJ (or Rian for that matter). Here’s what JJ has to say about criticisms of the movie:

 

[The Guard]

I think JJ made Snoke a clone because it can be revealed and explained and understood quickly and with almost no exposition, and by making Snoke a clone and Sidious his creator it props up the Emperor some more. Plus there is something twisted about it. A woman can birth life. Its one of the most natural and wholesome things a woman can do. What Sidious did was an abomination. A twisted and all around wrong version of what women do naturally and what worse is he deliberately deformed the lifeform that he created. It was even worse than what he did with and to the Kaminoan clones.

So...we know there were little Snoke clones...but does the movie itself actually say that Snoke himself IS a clone?

 

[Spider-Fan]

So...we know there were little Snoke clones...but does the movie itself actually say that Snoke himself IS a clone?

Palpatine said in no uncertain terms that he made Snoke. So yes he was a clone

 

[moviedoors]

When that happened I leaned over to the wife and said I liked this moment more when I saw it in Avengers: Endgame. It totally is going for that same type of moment, but it just doesn't earn it

Exactly what I thought too. The score almost tricked me into thinking it was an awesome moment, but it's just so thoroughly unearned.

 

[Tony Stark]

When that happened I leaned over to the wife and said I liked this moment more when I saw it in Avengers: Endgame. It totally is going for that same type of moment, but it just doesn't earn it

100% agree. To me that ending battle reminded me of POTC AWE, where theres an armada of ships showing up to battle Davy Jones and the East India Trading Co. and nothing really happens other than two ships fighting in a maelstrom. They were trying to build up this big moment and it failed.

 

[Tony Stark]

Palpatine said in no uncertain terms that he made Snoke. So yes he was a clone

Were the Sith Army clones? They didnt really explain how the hell Palpatine amasses a fleet of advanced warships on his own out in a hidden pocket to the universe.

 

[henzINNIT]

I have no idea how that Sith Dagger was supposed to work.

So...whoever created that dagger built the dagger to lead to a treasure map for unstable wreckage for a crashed death star? I mean, I guess it was possible if it was made after the Death Star crashed...

Worse still, didn't it point to the Emperor's throne room? That's the obvious first place to look anyway.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Were the Sith Army clones? They didnt really explain how the hell Palpatine amasses a fleet of advanced warships on his own out in a hidden pocket to the universe.

I don't think they offered us an explanation of where the Armada came from. I guess one could maybe put it in their headcanon that he cloned them like the Clone Army in the prequels, but they never really go in any details like that so it's all fan speculation really.

 

[henzINNIT]

Honestly, making Snoke a "genetic creation" or whatever was beyond goofy, almost Saturday morning cartoon level. Just reveal he was a dark side disciple working under Palpatine and you could have still tied him to the story they tried to tell in this.

The fan theory that Palps as a spirit bonded with Snoke was better. That was a creative explanation for Snoke's appearance which also gave him some agency of his own. Snoke didn't sounds like Palpatine to me, which makes no sense since he was revealed to be a literal puppet in this.

 

[Tony Stark]

What pissed me off is they spend the whole film on this goose chase to find the damn wayfinder and then it's destroyed. They Rey just happens to not destroy the other that she has no idea exists when she's burning Kylo's ship.

 

[antsman41]

Having Luke return and be the wise and optimistic Jedi once more was thrilling to see and also makes me incredibly pissed off at the poor representation and disappointment in what Rian did to him in the Last Jedi.

Amazing, every word of what you just said was wrong.

 

[Spider-Fan]

In regards to this whole Luke in this movie versus the last one thing, Luke at the end of The Last Jedi realized that exiling himself wasn't the right thing to do. So him having the attitude in this movie fit for me because the scene in reference where he throws the lightsaber was at the very beginning of The Last Jedi. By the movies end, Luke has that hope back. So seeing more hopeful Luke in this movie was perfectly fine and in line with the movie. It wasn't a giant middle finger, it was a progression of character.

 

[Sithborg]

It does make me more interested in the new Thrawn books, and the eventual continuation of his story post Rebels.

 

[Holy Slapper]

Any reason why Rey doesn't see Ben's force ghost at the end. I understand that her relationship with Luke and Leia was strong. I'd say she had a stronger connection and relationship with Kylo/Ben than Luke. But if the two of them were Dyads in the force, you'd think that's a pretty significant bond. Yet no Ben? I mean he didn't even get to say anything other than "Ow" after going back to the light side.

There's a waiting period. Has to be X number age.

 

[Shift]

No matter anyones opinion of the film, a real highlight for me was C-3PO. Anthony Daniels has so much more to work with than the previous two. And it was great to see Threepio with something to actually do in the film for the first time since ROTJ.