Fox’s X-Men Universe Has Come to An End: Will You Miss It?

[MadVillainy]

Yes and no. I long thought that a reboot should happen. Probably starting with FC.
But they had their run, as some in here have already stated. ANd it was a run that had some really good installments. It's really weird to me how nowadays I feel a lot of people try and act like none of the X-Men films were ever good or never did anything for the genre. It's not like Fox's Fantastic Four attemps.

Those first 2 X-Men films I think are great and are influential and important to the SH film genre.

FC is very good as well. Probably still the best period piece SH film over Cap 1 and WW.

Then Deadpool imo is probably the funniest SH movie (that or Guardians 1) and Logan still to me one of the best SH movies ever after TDK and Batman Begins. I honestly think if it would've come out in 09 that it'd be put up there more. And both those showed how to make R rated superhero movie fare that critically and commercially successful in an age of very tame blockbuster movies. Deadpool 2 was alright too. On another note: I really don't get this thinking of people trying to separate Deadpool and, to a lesser extent Logan, from the Fox X-Men films. It doesn't matter if they're alternate universe or not, they're still movies with X-Men characters produced by FOX. Hence they're FOX X-Men movies. It just seems like people not trying to give FOX credit or something. It's like saying Into the Spider-Verse isn't a Sony Spider-Man film. But I digress

Also the FOX X-Men films produced some classic, iconic character portrayals with Jackman's Wolverine, Stewart's Xavier, McKellan's Magneto, Reynold's Deadpool. And then a myriad of other great performances from Alan Cumming (Nightcrawler), James McAvoy, Michael Fassbender, Bryan Cox as Stryker, Kelsey Grammar as Beast, and I don't care I thought Schrieber was really good in XMOW.

Also 2 really great and inventive action sequences with the Quicksilver DOFP scene and the White House Nightcrawler attack.

This all being said they had more misses than hits. I think XMOW and Apocalypse are 2 of the worst SH movies that I've seen. They had some bad performances. They messed up some iconic storylines (sometimes twice). And then of couse the timeline never made sense although that bothered me much because Idk I just never care about stuff like that usually.

I am looking forward to them being part of the MCU because the MCU has good quality control and I don't think they'll make a flat out "Bad" movie. The MCU never has imo. And this gives a chance for them to get the team dynamic right, get some casting choices right, etc.
...But a lot of me is still kinda bummed because I jut can't see the X-Men reaching their full potential under Disney/Marvel. We never would've gotten a Deadpool movie under Disney. We never would've gotten Logan, X2, or Nazis in First Class in the MCU either. The MCU just doesn't produce stuff like that and they never gave me any indication that they want to.
I don't wanna see a PG13 Deadpool. I don't want them to be afraid to mention Nazis. I don't want them to be afraid to show Wolverine getting into a brutal fight with Lady Deathstrike (I'm very curious how they're gonna handle Wolverine with how much the MCU has cut back on violence over the years). I don't want them to be afraid to be sociopolitical. And I don't want them to be afraid to have a scene like this, one of my favorite yet brief SH movie scenes:

The MCU is so cookie cutter and homogenized that I'm going to miss the "bite" that X-Men films sometimes provided. And I know someone can say "Well you won't get (insert bad thing about the FOX X-Men movies here) with either" and that's very true. But maybe it's just how I am, but I'm fine with dealing with the bad movies to get the good. I'm fine getting XMOW even we get Logan. I'm fine with getting Batman & Robin if we get Batman Begins. I'm fine getting TASM2 if we get Into the Spider-Verse. But again that's just me.

I also think X-Men has a huge amount of spin off opportunities that you're not gonna get with the MCU due to just limited slots available in TV or movies. It's not like comics where you can produce so many issues a month. SOme of the X-Men spin off films that could've been made: solo Wolverine, Future series starring Bishop, Magneto prequel, X-Force, Gambit, X23, Kitty Pryde. X-Men has enought characters and opportunities to have their own film/show universe

In my ideal world, they would've rebooted not under the MCU. I honestly wouldn't have minded if they kicked the whole team to the curb (Kinberg and the Donner's included) and started fresh under FOX. FOX, imo, was largely producing quality with the new Planet of the Apes trilogy, Kingsman, Alita, Ford v Ferrari, Ad Astra, Widows, The Maze Runner films. They weren't perfect but it's not like back in the Rothman days when they were it was like all crap. But alas, that's not what happening and this post is long enough as is.

TL;DR: I'll miss it some. The FOX X-Men film laid the groundwork for future SH movies and had some iconic performances. But the films also had a lot of misses and they were long due for a reboot. I know the MCU will produce at the least "fine" films, but part of me is bummed about what will be missed. But I am optimistic for the future

 

[SumT]

Right?? It's almost as crazy as people being invested in a red jacket Han Solo, a Raccoon, a tree, a green alien and an ex WWE wrestler

Wait...

huge difference being that those weirdos were the tittle and lead characters of the Guardians movies.
Havok, Banshee, Beast and co. were supporting characters on the Magneto&Charles show.

So expecting the same results is so naive, mon ami.

 

[EnDz0n3]

Right?? It's almost as crazy as people being invested in a red jacket Han Solo, a Raccoon, a tree, a green alien and an ex WWE wrestler

Wait...

You're referring to Havok, Banshee, "Angel," Azazel and Riptide AFTER First Class though. Show me the multitude of fans clamouring for those specific characters to return. Even the people who loved that movie weren't dying to see the story of those characters continue in a sequel Well, other than Vaughn and you apparently.

 

[Luigi]

Yes, I'm going to miss it but it had a great run with various highs and lows. Should've ended it on a high note with Logan back in 2017.

 

[Marvel united]

You're referring to Havok, Banshee, "Angel," Azazel and Riptide AFTER First Class though. Show me the multitude of fans clamouring for those specific characters to return. Even the people who loved that movie weren't dying to see the story of those characters continue in a sequel Well, other than Vaughn and you apparently.

I wasn't dying for it either but I enjoyed their characters, and if Vaughn wanted to bring them back for a sequel, so be it. People who loved the movie, enjoyed their characters? Why wouldn't he want to continue the story of his characters? You don't build investment over a franchise by radically changing the cast with every new installment

 

[Another_Fool]

The only thing I'll truly miss is Dafne as X-23 and Evan Peters' Quicksilver, as I wanted to see them more. That said, I'm really pleased with what we got from Fox. Its a shame they couldn't go out with a bang but you can't scoff at gems like X2, DOFP, and Logan. Legion was also really good and was in my opinion the best comicbook based TV show until Watchmen came around.

 

[EnDz0n3]

I wasn't dying for it either but I enjoyed their characters, and if Vaughn wanted to bring them back for a sequel, so be it. People who loved the movie, enjoyed their characters?

I’ve never seen this supposed appreciation for those characters. The only character out of that list that people maybe enjoyed was Banshee and that was mostly due to his improved-flying. Other than that, I don’t remember a single good thing said about Havok, Beast, Angel, Azazel and Riptide. I forgot to mention Emma. LOL Even I forgot about her. In any other iteration, fans would be clamouring for her return. Under January and Matthew’s hands, not so much.

Why wouldn't he want to continue the story of his characters?

Because there’s plenty of other things to consider (not just what one person, Vaughn, wants) including fans’ enthusiasm and providing them the franchise they know and love (ie. the characters). Not to mention FC barely made the same amount as a movie that came out 11 years prior.

You don't build investment over a franchise by radically changing the cast with every new installment

Funny you would say this when then movie you’re defending, FC, radically changed the cast. And the movie you’re lambasting, DOFP, brought back arguably the much more loved cast.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

I'm very excited for MCU X-Men and definitely prefer that over a continuation of the Fox franchise, but I will always be grateful to have gotten films like X1, X2, First Class, The Wolverine, DOFP, Deadpool, Logan and Deadpool 2.

 

[KaijuDude1992]

I'll definitely miss this franchise somewhat for the quality films that they did give us like X1, X2, FC, DOFP, Deadpool and Logan, but after DOFP this franchise just went too downhill in my opinion in terms of consistency to the point that I still haven't mustered up enough interest to check out Dark Phoenix, although I did see New Mutants and didn't mind it, but that movie is nowhere near good enough to save this franchise.

I am beyond excited for the MCU X-Men, because I get the feeling we will finally get the comic accurate characters we have all been waiting for and finally Cyclops, Jean Gray, Rogue and Storm can be done with some justice, but I don't see us getting riskier films like Logan or Deadpool under the MCU/Disney brand name and that kind of bums me out honestly, because I don't want this to become the same cookie cutter and formulaic stuff that we have been getting for the most part and that is coming from someone who is a big fan of the MCU films.

 

[Lip]

We probably won't see rated-r movies, unfortunatelly. But Marvel has taken risks over the years and continues to do so. So i see them taking risks with the X-Men. Just different types of risks.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

they ruined the X-MEN's good name so no

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

After seeing TNM today and enjoying it more than expected, yes I will miss the Fox X-Men franchise. X2, DOFP, FC and Logan are some of the best CBMs ever, while the Deadpool movies are also great, and The Wolverine is damn under rated.

Some misfires for sure, but we need variety in the CBM world, and now we will have less of it. Plus some of the actors were downright iconic in their roles and will be a hard act to follow. Especially Jackman, Stewart, McKellan, McAvoy and Fassbender, who made for one badass Magneto.

I like the MCU, but I am a bit apprehensive on what they do with the X-Men. I will still watch it of course.

 

[Erzengel]

To be honest, it sad that we won't see a Cap led Avengers against a Cyclops led X-Men. While I really want to see what MCU does with the X-Men, it's a little hollow that RDJ, Evans, Johansson and probably Hemsworth are/will be done by the time they get to it.

Edit: The only thing missing from the Portals scene in Endgame was the X-Men coming out.

 

[Airwings]

To be honest, it sad that we won't see a Cap led Avengers against a Cyclops led X-Men. While I really want to see what MCU does with the X-Men, it's a little hollow that RDJ, Evans, Johansson and probably Hemsworth are/will be done by the time they get to it.

Edit: The only thing missing from the Portals scene in Endgame was the X-Men coming out.

Agree. After more than a decade of MCU, imagine seing the original Avengers members meeting X-Men (or Fantastic Four). With Spider-Man and others in the mix too, truly a comic book nerd's wet dream.

 

[Charzhin0]

Overall they had a very good run uptil 2014 and then it was massive disappointment one after the other. Dark Phoenix has ruined DOFP for me, which is my #1 cbm. I don't even feel like re-watching DOFP that much anymore because I know the disgusting ending that these characters have to endure in Simon Kinbergs ''epic finale'' and I will hate him forever for it

 

[TheVileOne]

Good riddance.

 

[Loden Greatstorm]

FOX’S X-MEN UNIVERSE HAS COME TO AN END: WILL YOU MISS IT?

Not in the slightest....

 

[Bayne]

To be honest, it sad that we won't see a Cap led Avengers against a Cyclops led X-Men. While I really want to see what MCU does with the X-Men, it's a little hollow that RDJ, Evans, Johansson and probably Hemsworth are/will be done by the time they get to it.

Edit: The only thing missing from the Portals scene in Endgame was the X-Men coming out.

Obviously, there are no guarantees, but it really doesn't seem like Hemsworth has any interest in leaving. I could see him sticking around well past the arrival of the X-Men.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

Absolutely. Much of the time it was an absolute mess but I was very interested in the zero continuity, give no ****s approach to universe building that allowed them to make movies as different from one another as Logan and Deadpool. I would have happily traded the entire MCU for the X23 film Mangold was contemplating.

We'll never, ever get X-Men films like those again. They'll be one thing and one thing only from here on out. It'll be fun, I'm sure, but everything being under this one banner doesn't appeal to me at all. Maybe we'll get lucky and X-Men will be one of the handful of MCU franchises with an authorial voice (Guardians, Panther, Waititi's Thor) but something tells me it'll be micromanaged into fun but bland mediocrity like Spider-Man.

 

[TheVileOne]

Deadpool and Logan were pretty much anomalies.

And honestly, while I like Logan, the movie is f'n depressing and a downer.

And between that you had some of the worst comic book movies ever such as Dark Phoenix, X-Men 3, Apocalypse, and New Mutants.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Logan being a film that makes you sad speaks more to its quality than against.

 

[MCU King]

To be honest, it sad that we won't see a Cap led Avengers against a Cyclops led X-Men. While I really want to see what MCU does with the X-Men, it's a little hollow that RDJ, Evans, Johansson and probably Hemsworth are/will be done by the time they get to it.

Edit: The only thing missing from the Portals scene in Endgame was the X-Men coming out.

I'll wager with you that Evans AND RDJ will be back by then (in a cameo capacity). Avengers Vs X-Men will definitely be a thing someday.

 

[psylockolussus]

Logan being a film that makes you sad speaks more to its quality than against.

The way how most of the X-Men were killed off screen was a disgrace imo.

Imagine if we get a Thor film next in the MCU and its just Thor and Hulk that are returning and the rest of the characters we've seen in previous movies are missing in action for unclear reasons. FoX eXecs only really care about Logan and Xavier, well in terms of the OT cast. Whilethe younger version is another can of worms that I don't want to complain yet again.

To make it short, their plan post DOFP was a mess.

 

[Roose Bolton]

The way how most of the X-Men were killed off screen was a disgrace imo.

Imagine if we get a Thor film next in the MCU and its just Thor and Hulk that are returning and the rest of the characters we've seen in previous movies are missing in action for unclear reasons. FoX eXecs only really care about Logan and Xavier, well in terms of the OT cast. Whilethe younger version is another can of worms that I don't want to complain yet again.

To make it short, their plan post DOFP was a mess.

I would absolutely love a Thor and Hulk in the style of Logan, so I’m quite indifferent to your complaints.

 

[TheVileOne]

The way how most of the X-Men were killed off screen was a disgrace imo.

Imagine if we get a Thor film next in the MCU and its just Thor and Hulk that are returning and the rest of the characters we've seen in previous movies are missing in action for unclear reasons. FoX eXecs only really care about Logan and Xavier, well in terms of the OT cast. Whilethe younger version is another can of worms that I don't want to complain yet again.

To make it short, their plan post DOFP was a mess.

Spoiler

I guess count our blessings they didn't do the Mark Millar comic version with Logan getting brainwashed *again* and tearing all the X-Men to shreds and then running away and even the animals being disgusted with his bloodlust and finding him revolting.

Hey anyone remember how Mark Millar was going to oversee and help manage all the Marvel films at Fox? Good times