Fox’s X-Men Universe Has Come to An End: Will You Miss It?

[psylockolussus]

I would absolutely love a Thor and Hulk in the style of Logan, so I’m quite indifferent to your complaints.

Thankfully thats not going to happen as MCU doesn't care about only a handful of characters.

 

[Bayne]

The way how most of the X-Men were killed off screen was a disgrace imo.

Imagine if we get a Thor film next in the MCU and its just Thor and Hulk that are returning and the rest of the characters we've seen in previous movies are missing in action for unclear reasons. FoX eXecs only really care about Logan and Xavier, well in terms of the OT cast. Whilethe younger version is another can of worms that I don't want to complain yet again.

To make it short, their plan post DOFP was a mess.

I mean, I like Ragnarok better than the first two movies but realistically it did, in fact, have Jane Foster, Dr. Selvig, Darcy and Lady Sif all missing in action with no explanation whatsoever, while also killing off Odin, Hogun, Fandral and Volstagg in the first act. The only established Thor supporting characters allowed to actually participate were Loki and Heimdall.

 

[psylockolussus]

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I guess count our blessings they didn't do the Mark Millar comic version with Logan getting brainwashed *again* and tearing all the X-Men to shreds and then running away and even the animals being disgusted with his bloodlust and finding him revolting.

Hey anyone remember how Mark Millar was going to oversee and help manage all the Marvel films at Fox? Good times

Mark Millar could have been better than the one we got. I think his name is Simon Kinberg. Totally single handedly ruined the franchise. A total nightmare.

 

[thangaran]

Simon Kinberg and Zak Penn. Two names I never ever want to see attached to any comic book-related project ever again

 

[WereCoyote]

I mean, I like Ragnarok better than the first two movies but realistically it did, in fact, have Jane Foster, Dr. Selvig, Darcy and Lady Sif all missing in action with no explanation whatsoever, while also killing off Odin, Hogun, Fandral and Volstagg in the first act. The only established Thor supporting characters allowed to actually participate were Loki and Heimdall.

Considering the only time in Ragnarok Thor was on Earth, was when he was looking for Odin and met Dr. Strange, there is no real explanation needed for Jane, Selvig and Darcy, as they are Terrestrial, and Thor was off world for 95% of the movie. Of those you mentioned Sif is the only MIA that makes no sense.

 

[psylockolussus]

I mean, I like Ragnarok better than the first two movies but realistically it did, in fact, have Jane Foster, Dr. Selvig, Darcy and Lady Sif all missing in action with no explanation whatsoever, while also killing off Odin, Hogun, Fandral and Volstagg in the first act. The only established Thor supporting characters allowed to actually participate were Loki and Heimdall.

Yeah because obviously Infinity War and Endgame didn't happen after Ragnarok. Yes it did.

 

[Bayne]

Considering the only time in Ragnarok Thor was on Earth, was when he was looking for Odin and met Dr. Strange, there is no real explanation needed for Jane, Selvig and Darcy, as they are Terrestrial, and Thor was off world for 95% of the movie. Of those you mentioned Sif is the only MIA that makes no sense.

Not really. The others are still major characters in the franchise who could easily have been shown or referenced even if there wasn't a single second of screentime on earth. Hell, in the comics Jane literally lived on Asgard for a long time.

And there were still multiple sequences on Earth, yet no one ever even mentioned their names.

I'm not saying this is a problem, to be clear. Just that it applies to Ragnarok as easily as it does to Logan.

Yeah because obviously Infinity War and Endgame didn't happen after Ragnarok. Yes it did.

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[psylockolussus]

The present day Avengers weren't killed off screen or just disappeared after Thor Ragnarok or whatever mcu movie they last appeared in.

The original cast of FoX-Men, the ones we saw in Dofp, except for Hugh/Patrick were never seen again. So your comparison is moot, especially I wasn't comparing the original set of characters in X-Men movies to the characters that appeared in Thor 1. I was comparing them to the Avengers. You didn't know what you were quoting.

And edit: when I said if we get a thor film next with just Thor/Hulk, I also meant that there wouldn't be a present day Avengers movie afterwards and major Avengers are out of the picture without a clear reason. Can you imagine Kevin Feige doing that to the Avengers?

 

[Bayne]

Ok. But none of those x-men characters were out of the picture without a clear reason. Most of those characters still continued in Dark Phoenix, they were just played by the younger actors rather than the older - but all the actors were supposed to be the same characters (which is the entire point of DoFP). (Plus, there is an explicit and plot important explanation of what happened to the old X characters in Logan.)

The difference between Fox and Marvel is not that fox 'dropped' all these characters out of nowhere, it's that the Avengers movies worked and Dark Phoenix didn't.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Yeah, I don't get what's so bad about 'some' (some is what is stated in the movie) of the X-Men being killed in Logan. There needed to be a reason for Xavier and Logan to be in the position they were, and this was quite clearly an ending for the characters. Similar in vain to when the comics do a 'insert character: The End' type story.

The franchise carried on afterwards, and still would have in some capacity even after DP flopped had Fox not been bought out. Hell, even New Mutants had links to Logan.

Now I am looking forward to seeing what the MCU does with the X-Men. But I am also gutted we won't get movies like Deadpool and Logan again. Mangold's X23 i was so excited for.

 

[thangaran]

I think the Foxverse certainly had its moments. What I hope is for Marvel to not completely make the new movies in the early Avengers or GOTG type movies. I hope the new movies still have that colder somewhat paranoidC harder, darker edge that Singer set up but with more comic accurate stories and obviously costumes

 

[SwordOfMorning]

The way how most of the X-Men were killed off screen was a disgrace imo.

Imagine if we get a Thor film next in the MCU and its just Thor and Hulk that are returning and the rest of the characters we've seen in previous movies are missing in action for unclear reasons. FoX eXecs only really care about Logan and Xavier, well in terms of the OT cast. Whilethe younger version is another can of worms that I don't want to complain yet again.

To make it short, their plan post DOFP was a mess.

I mean, that's the whole benefit of loose continuity. What worked best for Logan is the rest of the X-Men being implicitly dead. It's a fundamental part of the story even though all the characters desperately avoid talking about it. In absolutely no way would this have effected the mainline X-Men movies, they were never going to build to Xavier accidentally killing the whole cast, those movies didn't work out but in theory there could have been perfectly straight-forward X-Men movies alongside Logan.

A Thor or especially Hulk movie being liberated from the confines of being more or less a mega-budget episode of an ongoing theatrically released TV series sounds exactly like what I'd want.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

Mark Millar could have been better than the one we got. I think his name is Simon Kinberg. Totally single handedly ruined the franchise. A total nightmare.

Kinberg is indeed bad but Mark Millar is also responsible for Ultimate X-Men which is the worst iteration of X-Men I've ever read. You don't know bad 'til you read Cannibal Hitler Magneto.

 

[Zarex]

Logan was a solid franchise ender with some terrific performances, but I think folks build it up because the swearing, boobs, profanity and overall bleakness makes it seem more "adult". It's got it's share of faults - X-24, our "heroes" getting a family slaughtered, death via log - that for me keep it from being an all timer.

I think we will see more of Reynolds Deadpool. That franchise is an excellent fit within the MCU regardless of the R rated stuff, and Pandemic era Disney can't afford to be tossing aside hundreds of millions of dollars in guaranteed profit. WandaVision certainly seems like a a refreshing change from standard superhero fare, so I'm less concerned about stagnation in the MCU going forward.

 

[psylockolussus]

Yeah, I don't get what's so bad about 'some' (some is what is stated in the movie) of the X-Men being killed in Logan. There needed to be a reason for Xavier and Logan to be in the position they were, and this was quite clearly an ending for the characters. Similar in vain to when the comics do a 'insert character: The End' type story.

The franchise carried on afterwards, and still would have in some capacity even after DP flopped had Fox not been bought out. Hell, even New Mutants had links to Logan.

Now I am looking forward to seeing what the MCU does with the X-Men. But I am also gutted we won't get movies like Deadpool and Logan again. Mangold's X23 i was so excited for.

Well if you only care aout Xavier and Logan then I guess Logan was a perfect send off. Nevermind the other X-Men.

 

[psylockolussus]

Ok. But none of those x-men characters were out of the picture without a clear reason. Most of those characters still continued in Dark Phoenix, they were just played by the younger actors rather than the older - but all the actors were supposed to be the same characters (which is the entire point of DoFP). (Plus, there is an explicit and plot important explanation of what happened to the old X characters in Logan.)

The difference between Fox and Marvel is not that fox 'dropped' all these characters out of nowhere, it's that the Avengers movies worked and Dark Phoenix didn't.

Continued in Dark PhoeniX, set in the past, basically another prequel to the ending of Dofp. Really who wanted that aside from Kinberg who was clearly not fit to run a Cinematic universe let alone direct a film. And really why do we need a teen Cyclops, Jean and Storm after the old versions were resurrected in Dofp.... that didn't make sense yet Hugh Jackman and Patrick Stewart got to headline one more film?

its very clear that the public wanted the X-Men to stay in the past and be played by different actors.... just Look at the boX office numbers of Apocalypse. It couldn't even outgross X1 in North America. And the newer cast can't even save Dark PhoeniX from bombing.

And what the heck happened to Rogue, Iceman, Kitty Pryde then? And having another movie set in the past isn't an excuse to ditch Jean, Storm Cyclops, Beast, Colossus without a clear reason, they were all alive in the new timeline at the end of Dofp. The thing is if they actually care about the characters and the continuity... this would have been easier to follow and possibly with better results.

But nah, Jean, Cyclops, Beast just let Xavier live in a dumpster because they have a movie set in the 90s anyway. That makes a lot of sense.

I do think the main motivation for the last 2 X-Men movies being set/stuck in the past is Kinberg's fiXation with McAvoy, Fassbender and Jlaw. He cares about the actors more than the characters or else, Storm wouldn't utter four words in Apocalypse and Dark PhoeniX. Characters like Psylocke, Angel and Jubilee would have been put to good use especially they were retconned. while the retread for Dark PhoeniX is simply Kinberg retake for his first X-Men film as a writer, which Turned out to be worse.

If those films were presented to Feige, most of them wouldn't be approved because even on paper, they already sounded like a mess.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Well if you only care aout Xavier and Logan then I guess Logan was a perfect send off. Nevermind the other X-Men.

It was a Wolverine movie Psy with Xavier as a guest star, just like the comics often do. It was not an X-Men movie, hence why it was called.......’Logan.’

 

[psylockolussus]

It was a Wolverine movie Psy with Xavier as a guest star, just like the comics often do. It was not an X-Men movie, hence why it was called.......’Logan.’

I know its not a X-Men movie. The issue is they killed off the X-Men off screen after resurrecting them in Days of Future Past. Now tell me why should I be jumping up and down after seeing that Wolverine movie? Sure you might have gotten a good western flick that is r 18 and its no X-Men Apocalypse thats for sure, but killing the X-Men characters that were played by the ot cast off screen, most of them were part of the series for 14 years is a disservice. And I can't pretend that Logan the movie was set in a different timeline. That movie literally s*** on Dofp's ending as they were still killed and it happened off screen. Its just a disgrace anticipating every X-Men movie and just witnessed that. Which further displayed foX-marvel habit on honoring just a handful of characters. Storm, Rogue, Iceman, Jean phoeniX grey, Beast, Cyclops and Kitty deserved better. And see I'm not even mentioning Colossus as they retconned him in the Deadpool movies.

Can you imagine if they did that to Peter Parker, Doctor Strange, Wanda, Wasp, The Falcon and the Winter Soldier.... resurrected in Endgame only to be killed off screen in a solo movie and never seen again. Obviously that ain't happening.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I know its not a X-Men movie. The issue is they killed off the X-Men off screen after resurrecting them in Days of Future Past. Now tell me why should I be jumping up and down after seeing that Wolverine movie? Sure you might have gotten a good western flick that r 18 and its no X-Men Apocalypse thats for sure, but killing the X-Men characters that were played by the ot cast off screen, most of them were part of the series for 14 years is a disservice. And I can't pretend that Logan the movie was set in a different timeline. That movie literally s*** on the Dofp's ending as they were still killed and it happened off screen. Its just a disgrace anticipating every X-Men movie and just witnessed that.

Can you imagine if they did that to Peter Parker, Doctor Strange, Wanda, Wasp, The Falcon and the Winter Soldier.... resurrected in Endgame only to be killed off screen in a solo movie and never seen again. Obviously that ain't happening.

Psy, they didn’t need kill all of the X-Men off screen, they killed some of them in a Wolverine movie because it was relevant to the one time story they were telling. Face facts, the OT cast weren’t coming back at this point, but the franchise would have continued regardless.

You seem like a nice person Psy, but you take all of this far too seriously. It’s a movie, one that’s being re-booted in the MCU in a few years, so look forward to that instead of dwelling on a dead franchise you clearly didn’t like. And don’t act like the MCU haven’t wasted characters, Ronan, Baron Von Strucker, Quicksilver? All franchises do it but as stated you take this far too seriously.

Do yourself a favour, look forward to the MCU version. Majority of people love Logan because it was a really good movie with a director vision behind it.

 

[Erzengel]

I feel the Quicksilver death in AOU was intentional so that Fox could "utilize" the character in Apocalypse and DP.

 

[psylockolussus]

Psy, they didn’t need kill all of the X-Men off screen, they killed some of them in a Wolverine movie because it was relevant to the one time story they were telling. Face facts, the OT cast weren’t coming back at this point, but the franchise would have continued regardless.

You seem like a nice person Psy, but you take all of this far too seriously. It’s a movie, one that’s being re-booted in the MCU in a few years, so look forward to that instead of dwelling on a dead franchise you clearly didn’t like. And don’t act like the MCU haven’t wasted characters, Ronan, Baron Von Strucker, Quicksilver? All franchises do it but as stated you take this far too seriously.

Do yourself a favour, look forward to the MCU version. Majority of people love Logan because it was a really good movie with a director vision behind it.

Yes I will loook forward to the mcu version, did you see my signature? Thats my anticipation is not secret.

But aren't we talking about the FoX-Men universe? Anyway going back to Logan. So you want me to assume that "just some" were killed off screen. How is that okay? And what about the rest? So you're telling me the fate of present day X-Men characters is just mystery eXcept for Xavier and the Wolverine. I think as a previous fan I am allowed to complain especially this thread is about the FoX-Men era.

And yes the ot cast didn't return and just look at the box office numbers of Apocalypse and dark Phoenix? Five years after the box office peak of the X-Men movies. Clearly someone made a wrong decision to bring back the X-Men to the literal past.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Yes I will loook forward to the mcu version, did you see my signature? Thats my anticipation is not secret.

But aren't we talking about the FoX-Men universe? Anyway going back to Logan. So you want me to assume that "just some" were killed off screen. How is that okay? And what about the rest? So you're telling me the fate of present day X-Men characters is just mystery eXcept for Xavier and the Wolverine. I think as a previous fan I am allowed to complain especially this thread is about the FoX-Men era.

And yes the ot cast didn't return and just look at the box office numbers of Apocalypse and dark Phoenix? Five years after the box office peak of the X-Men movies.

It’s not an assumption, the movie states only some were killed. And again, it’s a spin off with an artistic vision, and this is the story they wanted to tell. I don’t see the problem with that. Characters can’t go on forever like the comics.

The thread asks if you will miss the franchise, you quite clearly won’t, so move onto something you’re positive about instead of staying negative about a franchise you won’t miss and that is done. Trust me there is more to life.

 

[psylockolussus]

And don’t act like the MCU haven’t wasted characters, Ronan, Baron Von Strucker, Quicksilver? All franchises do it but as stated you take this far too seriously.

Do yourself a favour, look forward to the MCU version. Majority of people love Logan because it was a really good movie with a director vision behind it.

I'm not acting, I literaaly just posted this a few months ago

Age of Ultron was overstuffed with story arcs and even new characters. There was a major villain from the comics that was killed in the first ten minutes, Klaw was in it for ten minutes and they've killed Quicksilver.

But there was more wasted potential in X3 eXpecially they marketed it as the final film with the ot cast and it took foX 8years to let the ot cast to return but mostof them were only in the screen for like 10 minutes, some seconds and that was it for the ot cast eXcept for Jackman/Stewart. X3's runtime was painfully short abd it introduced so many new faces, with Beast only getting a decent role. While certain characters from X2 got a smaller role.

While Apocalypse and (Dark PhoeniX) repeated mistakes that foX could have learned from their previous Marvel films. Reintroducing characters like Psylocke, Jubilee and Angel to only speak few lines and the over reliance to Erik and Raven didnt help eXpecially they were reintroducing Cyclops, Jean, Storm and Nightcrawler and introducing a big bad like Apocalypse.

While Dark PhoeniX is way worse than X3 like that is the most boring and dullest X-Men team movie out of the 7 from foX. Even the 4 faces they've introduced were not even that eXciting. Like in every new X-Men movie, there were 2 to 3 new characters to really forward to but here, no one and that became more evident after watching the movie. Selene and Red Lotus looked nothing like their comic book counterparts. Dazzler was in it for twenty damn seconds, didn't even interact with the cast. Vuk... out of all the villains they've could have adapted this was the one Kinberg chose to adapt? Mindboggling.

And for everycharacter that was wasted by mcu, the Fox-era quadruples it!

It’s not an assumption, the movie states only some were killed. And again, it’s a spin off with an artistic vision, and this is the story they wanted to tell. I don’t see the problem with that. Characters can’t go on forever like the comics.

The thread asks if you will miss the franchise, you quite clearly won’t, so move onto something you’re positive about instead of staying negative about a franchise you won’t miss and that is done. Trust me there is more to life.

And you're telling me this because what? I'm talking about the movies not the posters.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

Logan heavily implies it’s in a different continuity where DOFP never happened. Logan refers to events from the original trilogy and more importantly so does Xavier. Deleted scenes don’t really count but if you’re looking for authorial intent those make it even more clear it’s in its own world.

 

[psylockolussus]

Again I'm not gonna pretend its set in a different timeline/universe. But i know that the continuityis a mess. So Logan features a bleak 2020s for the Mutants. Yet Deadpool gets to hang out with Colossus and Colossus still lives in the X-Mansion. Okay then.

Ok. But none of those x-men characters were out of the picture without a clear reason. Most of those characters still continued in Dark Phoenix, they were just played by the younger actors rather than the older - but all the actors were supposed to be the same characters (which is the entire point of DoFP). (Plus, there is an explicit and plot important explanation of what happened to the old X characters in Logan.)

The difference between Fox and Marvel is not that fox 'dropped' all these characters out of nowhere, it's that the Avengers movies worked and Dark Phoenix didn't.

A prequel isn't a continuation though. Its just telling what already happened in the past.

So are you saying the New Black widow movie is a continuation of Natasha's story when we already know her end game? Yeah just no. If we get another Iron Man movie but it is set between Iron Man 2 and iron man 3, I wouldn't call that a continuation of Tony Stark's story.

And that's the problem with the X-Men prequels, why continue setting up the X-Men in the past in the first place?