Fox really does ruin everything.

[El Payaso]

Fantastic Four movies I found to be bad. But someMarvel studios movies have also been. Iron Man 2 for example. I have liked every X-Men movie to some extent. For a francghise with so many charcaters, Singer did excellent not trying to turn it into a fanboy fest and make the story accesible to everyone.

All in all, Fox has had some goods and bads, but it's just like every other studio making superhero movies.

 

[WildcatNC]

Marvel Studios has yet to have a "miss" in my eyes. I LOVE TIH, even though it didn't make much money. IM II was the weakest, but still not a bad movie. I liked it, just didn't live up to the first one well. It suffered the "letdown" effect, that had more to do with high expectations than how bad it was imo.

Just my opinion though.

 

[Marvel]

Marvel Studios has yet to have a "miss" in my eyes. I LOVE TIH, even though it didn't make much money. IM II was the weakest, but still not a bad movie. I liked it, just didn't live up to the first one well. It suffered the "letdown" effect, that had more to do with high expectations than how bad it was imo.

Just my opinion though.

You can change the "just my opinion" to "that's a fact" because Iron Man 2 is a quality film. It rates an 8/10 or higher and if that's "bad" by comparison to the original then so be it. I grew tired of gauging that letdown effect long ago.


On topic, you'd think that the exceptional nature of X-Men First Class would've bought Fox some good will at this point but I guess not.


Considering that the WB can't help but put up diarrhea of the screen every time they try to adapt a comic book property that Chris Nolan isn't heading, you'd think fans would focus their anger over there from now on.

 

[venom892]

While First Class is a step in the right direction,I wonder how The Wolverine and Deadpool will turn out.If those are good then I think the tide will be back in Fox's favor.I also agree with the previous two assessments on Iron Man 2.

 

[DrCosmic]

I don't think any of the Marvel Studios movies have been exceptionally bad. They've all missed the mark on different areas, but they all hold audiences well, which simply can't be said for all the X-films, or for any of the FF films.

Marvel has had the good fortune to learn from others' mistakes.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Marvel Studios has yet to have a "miss" in my eyes. I LOVE TIH, even though it didn't make much money. IM II was the weakest, but still not a bad movie. I liked it, just didn't live up to the first one well. It suffered the "letdown" effect, that had more to do with high expectations than how bad it was imo.

Just my opinion though.

Iron Man 2 is a complete and utter failure.

 

[BMM]

Fox has a history of making poor decisions. Too bad none of the legitimate ones are listed by the original poster.

Also, Ghost Rider isn't a Fox movie... and Julian McMahon good casting? Really!?!

 

[WildcatNC]

Iron Man 2 is a complete and utter failure.

Its a good movie. Picking the bad Marvel movie is like picking the ugliest Victoria Secrets model. Sure there has to be one thats least hot, but that doesn't mean they are ugly.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Its a good movie. Picking the bad Marvel movie is like picking the ugliest Victoria Secrets model. Sure there has to be one thats least hot, but that doesn't mean they are ugly.

Iron Man 2 had a lot of cool stuff in it. But it utterly fails because Tony faced no consequences for his actions. As a matter in fact, despite being a total dick, *****e, and *******, he gets the girl, saves the day, makes up with his best friend, and gets a god damn medal.

What made the first Iron Man so great was that despite the fact that Tony Stark was kind of a dick, he still faced consequences of his company's weapons manufacturing, and he actually wanted to atone for the damage caused by those weapons. And even better, he actually acted upon those desires and acted like a hero.

And to go back to Tony's dick like behavior in the first movie, he still acted like a loveable dick. Iron Man 2 on the other hand.....not so much, he was just a dick.

 

[cronosred]

Angela Bassett originally was supposed to play Storm. She would've been perfect. Also, I agree with every one of your additional points.

BTW, I forgot to add what you said about Cyclops and Storm basically being side characters for most of the series when they were the leaders. Geez!

Well in The Last Stand Storms role became significantly larger and she became more of a leader which fans then whined about and complained that Halle was a diva just trying to make the movie all about her.

 

[psylockolussus]

FOX's X-Men movie series is amazing. Anyone who thinks different is just a hater.

 

[WildcatNC]

FOX's X-Men movie series is amazing. Anyone who thinks different is just a hater.

X1, X2, and First Class were good movies. No others were worth a ****, and X-Men was always my favorite comic when I still read them, so i'm not some X-Men hater. X3 and then Origins ruined my enthusiasm for the franchise. They then missed a golden opportunity to reboot the franchise with a fresh start and vision with First Class.

Of course all we have are our opinions but you seem to be the hater against anything thats not X-Men related. I love the X-Men. Which is why I hate Fox.

 

[venom892]

FOX's X-Men movie series is amazing. Anyone who thinks different is just a hater.

For a person who's name is a combination of Psylocke and Colossus you don't seem to care that that X3 crapped on both characters.

 

[The Morningstar]

FOX's X-Men movie series is amazing. Anyone who thinks different is just a hater.

Or isn't a raging fanboy who accepts any old crap that features characters they like?

 

[Marvel]

Its a good movie. Picking the bad Marvel movie is like picking the ugliest Victoria Secrets model. Sure there has to be one thats least hot, but that doesn't mean they are ugly.

I love that analogy and am serving notice that I may steal it in the future!

FOX's X-Men movie series is amazing. Anyone who thinks different is just a hater.

I'd have to agree simply because I judge them as films and not as to how they correlate to the books. I have no trouble differentiating between the books and the movie universe. As films...


X2 & First Class are exceptional.


X-Men will always have a soft place in my heart and is a very solid movie and intro to the universe.


Wolverine is far better than what some fanboys claim but that makes it underrated, not great. It's a solid 7/10 film.


X3 is the rushed mess most claim but that comes as a follow up to two established films, not because they screwed up the books.

 

[Timstuff]

Fox =


Welcome aboard all.


XMFC was a great movie. They even managed to **** that up by not making it an actual reboot. It was a step in the right direction though.

I am glad to see a true prequel that is not a reboot for once. Hollywood and fanboys are addicted to reboots and I think that making XFC an actual prequel was in itself a step in the right direction (and it pretty much ignores XMOW, which I also think was a good call).

 

[Timstuff]

Iron Man 2 had a lot of cool stuff in it. But it utterly fails because Tony faced no consequences for his actions. As a matter in fact, despite being a total dick, *****e, and *******, he gets the girl, saves the day, makes up with his best friend, and gets a god damn medal.

What made the first Iron Man so great was that despite the fact that Tony Stark was kind of a dick, he still faced consequences of his company's weapons manufacturing, and he actually wanted to atone for the damage caused by those weapons. And even better, he actually acted upon those desires and acted like a hero.

And to go back to Tony's dick like behavior in the first movie, he still acted like a loveable dick. Iron Man 2 on the other hand.....not so much, he was just a dick.

I agree. It was a wasted opportunity and never came close to hitting the emotional highs and lows of the first movie. The script was weak, and even if you can forgive how clumsily integrated Nick Fury and SHIELD were in the narrative, it just plain was disappointing. The physical stakes were high, but the emotional stakes weren't, and even the climax felt more video game-like than the first movie. When Tony actually got to his final physical confrontation with the villain, that managed to disappoint too, because it was basically a shorter, less dangerous version of the climax from the first movie.

There's one thing I can say about Iron Man 2 though-- it stands as a shining example of what happens when the worst aspects of comic book writing and editorializing are applied to a film. Ironically, even though Spider-Man 3 is a much more hated movie by fanboys, I found Iron Man 2 to be more disappointing, and I actually quite enjoyed Spider-Man 3, warts and all.

 

[superhero]

my favorite marvel moives is x-men 1 i liked the action in it. i liked x-men 2 and x-men3 . my favroti marevel moive rigtht now is captian amercna ilike ironmana lot. ididn't care too muchfor the squeal more i watch it more i like it . i even enjoy the fasnticfour moivesand ghostrider. im looking forwardto squeal for ghostrider and the reboot for fanastic four.

 

[WildcatNC]

I am glad to see a true prequel that is not a reboot for once. Hollywood and fanboys are addicted to reboots and I think that making XFC an actual prequel was in itself a step in the right direction (and it pretty much ignores XMOW, which I also think was a good call).

I generally agree with you, but in this case I think they would have been better served to reboot. If X3 and Origins hadn't turned out like they did I would have been all for keeping the current continuity. They didn't even really do a true prequel entirely either. Its some weird "abrams star trek" like time bending retcon. Seems like the only reason they didn't reboot is that Jackman is still attached to Wolverine and he's the big draw.

I would put money that if Jackman were done with the films they would have rebooted.

Fox wrecked the train and needed to start over IMO. Not start again just for the sake of it, but because they ****ed it up and needed a clean start.

 

[psylockolussus]

For a person who's name is a combination of Psylocke and Colossus you don't seem to care that that X3 crapped on both characters.

LOL! I was disappointed how they handled Colossus and Psylocke but it doesn't mean the entire franchise sucked.

 

[Lord]

Fox =

Funny for you to say that because the other day i noticed that while watching tv after a comercial a fast red image suddenly appeared during a milisecond, i tried to see what it was by using my controler to go back to that moment and when i was finally able to stop the image and see what it was i found out it was the 20th century Fox logo darkened and red.
I was kind of:
They were Right!!! Fox IS the devil

 

[Ultra Lantern]

Fox needs to get their act together.

 

[Will Nolte]

Fox needs to get their act together.

Sony needs to get their act together...Fox is miles ahead of Sony.

 

[geeknerddork]

To me personally the whole X-Men franchise has been mishandled. I'm not saying they're bad movies, they're just not as good as X-Men movies could be. I like the films, even X3, but I think by mangling the source material so badly they squandered the franchise's potential. I'm not one of those fanboys who whines about things not being true to the comics, because alterations do need to be made, and if it works it works... but I think the X franchise made changes that weren't necessary and weren't as interesting as the actual source material.

Things that would've been cool in the X-Men movies
-Cyclops showing us why he deserves to be the leader. Cyclops was practically a background character, but he SHOULD have been front and center and had just as much focus as as Wolvie. Scott has had a lot of badass moments throughout the comics, it would be nice if they just didn't have him there to be a romantic foil for Logan.
-Rogue being a tough character with a strong personality, as well as super strength and flight
-Rogue/Gambit romance. The flirtation, sexual tension, playing hard to get nature of their relationship is so much more interesting than that Bobby Drake crush she had
-A fleshed out Kitty Pryde and Wolverine as her mentor, and a romantic relationship with Collosus
-A more fleshed out Collusus kicking some ass
-More Beast
-Sentinels. They're such a huge part of the X-Men's history, that it seems criminal to only give us a crappy little tease of one. Imagine how awesome it would've been to see the X-Men have an epic battle against Sentinels in Times Square.
-More villains. Basically all the X-Men had to deal with in the first 3 films were Magneto and his brotherhood, and anti-mutant humans. It would've been cool to see them battle Apocalypse, and his horsemen, or go to the Savage Land and deal with Mr Sinister and Sauron and co.
-Juggernaut's relationship with Charles.
-Hellfire Club/Phoenix saga. Remember in the X-Men cartoon when they battled the Hellfire Club? Wolverine fighting his way up from the sewer? Cyclops battle for Jean inside her mind? Imagine them doing that in the films. Would've been awesome.
-The original 1st Class. While I thought X-Men First Class was awesome. I can't help but feel that the original line-up would've made that movie even better, because they're just stronger characters. Cyclops, Jean, Beast, Iceman, Angel.

I could go on. It's not that they deviated from the comics, I think the way they deviated seems almost arbitrary. I can understand that some things were probably impractical to do back in 2000 in terms of budget and effects, but I think things like tampering with the relationships and characterizations is inexcusable. The films could've been so much more.

Oh well, they're entertaining for what they are.

 

[Lord]

I think Bryan Singer's first 2 movies were evolving the characters and making things as they were going to become in the comics, he didn't repeat villains, he did Magneto and then an anti-mutants human, his idea for x-3 and 4 wouldn't repeat Magneto as what they did with X-3.

He wanted to use the hellfire club/ Phoenix in x-3 while x-4 would probably be the final battle, Rogue was evolving as a character, in x-2 while still scared some times she was becoming more bad ass, Ciclops is a character that i think was misstreated in x-2, but i think he was okay in x-1, Singer's idea for X-3 was also going to have him as a more important character, remember Wolverine's role in the 3rd movie we ended up with? It would have been mostly Ciclop's role.

I blame the studios for repeating things like what happened with the superman film series decades ago, many fans don't like Bryan Singer for his work in the x-men franchise and try to use First Class as an example, but guess what, he had the idea of the story, now that he's back the x-men movies are becoming good again.

As long as Fox ouns the right he should stay aboard helping, the way he handled a superhero movie with such a comics history and a tight budget was amazing, but now i think wolverine's original costume could work, The Wolverine is the only movie that seems to have potencial even if Bryan isn't aboard