Sequels FOX Shared Universe

[def28]

Has it been confirmed to happen? I figured Fox would take a wait and see approach with Fantastic Four, especially considering the production problems it had behind the scenes.

Nope, it hasn't been confirmed. Agreed on Fox waiting.

Thing is that they are so confident in their X franchise at the moment that if F4 flops or is received negative they can use the X-Men in order to give them a boost or to keep making films with them. Even if it's a decent hit the X franchise will still be the main sell here.

 

[Eddie]

That crossover might not even be legally allowed without Marvel permission. Simon Kinberg is the only official Fox rep to "confirm" it, and he was blatantly wrong about Fox having the X-Men television rights at around the same time.

 

[def28]

Time will tell. I would expect if anything is to happen it would be announced between SDCC and August after the F4's first week.

 

[Picard Stewart]

I cant wait for the cross over with the Fantastic Four! I wouldnt mind if Bryan Singer directs it!

I'd like Singer to direct but I'd prefer Rian Johnson.

If it is indeed the 2018 X-Men film that unites all the factions for the first time, I'd like the film to surpass anything the studio's done before. Johnson is a superb sci-fi filmmaker.

 

[Kermit_The_Frog]

I cant wait for the cross over with the Fantastic Four! I wouldnt mind if Bryan Singer directs it!

Same. I'd like THAT to be his farewell. But I think the fact that Singer is going all out for Apocalypse means that this could be his swan song.

I'd like Singer to direct but I'd prefer Rian Johnson.

If it is indeed the 2018 X-Men film that unites all the factions for the first time, I'd like the film to surpass anything the studio's done before. Johnson is a superb sci-fi filmmaker.

I agree with Rian, but won't he be tied up with Star Wars?

If not, maybe Singer and Johnson can Co-direct. That's possible, right?

 

[MakeMinesMarvel]

Why are MCU fans scared of competition?

 

[Picard Stewart]

I agree with Rian, but won't he be tied up with Star Wars?

If not, maybe Singer and Johnson can Co-direct. That's possible, right?

Sadly, he probably will be busy with Episodes 8 & 9 😕

Why are MCU fans scared of competition?

I'm a fan of the MCU, but I don't worship it. They're capable of severe missteps and love to micromanage their directors into submission. I'm pretty much open to Marvel adaptations from any studio as long as they're good. Fox hasn't had a bad cbm since Origins (Rothman's final victim). Marvel Studios on the other hand confuses me. They achieved greatness via Whedon's crossover event that was The Avengers (2012) and then stepped all over him for AOU. I just don't get that. The AOU debacle, Wright's departure, the crap fest that was IM3, Jenkins' departure, Favreau's troubles on IM2 & the editing room butchering of TIH...those things haven't fully turned me off but when I see more of them it definitely bothers me. AOU being a forgettable movie is to me a major disappointment. I probably watched the trailers a hundred times. Left the theater underwhelmed.

I don't have a preference for any studio, but right now the slate below is much more exciting to me than the MCU's.

Mainly because when I look at the coming films from Disney that I really wanna see like Doctor Strange, Infinity Wars & Captain Marvel I'm instantly concerned that any one of them could undergo the AOU/THOR 2/IM2 treatment. I hope for quality but I no longer expect it. The fear is there and Disney put it there.

 

[psylockolussus]

Rian is way occupied on Star Wars to be attached in a X-Men film.... Anyway Fox has a lot of options... Singer, Vaughn, Mangold... If the cross over is gonna happen, Kinberg probably gave Fox the major plot points on how its gonna happen and its just a matter of time before they hire a director.

 

[Flint Marko]

A straight answer would have been nice. Care to fill me in on all this confidence that the FFINO are going to cross over with the X-men at some point? I'd love to hear it.

 

[def28]

Why are MCU fans scared of competition?

Competition for the MCU was Batman VS Superman and look where that ended up moving to. Hardcore MCU and Fantastic 4 fans want F4 at Marvel. That's it. It's quite easy to understand, but...plenty of X-Men fans and Marvel fans in general also don't want to see a forced crossover. If Avengers never happened, y'all wouldn't even be discussing this. This F4 and X-Men crossover would only be happening as a "well what do we have, so we can be like them?" novelty effort. And right now the novelty of crossovers will be all gone by next year. It won't help Marvel, DC or Fox much if at all after that.

Smartest thing Fox can do is tell the best stories they can and not be forced into a crossover just cause the other guys are doing it. They are in a good position with their X-Men properties. As an X-Men fan that's what I want to come first. If F4 is good then I hope they branch into the next obvious movie plus something else expanding their universe.... a Silver Surfer film. Maybe a F4 crossover would be cool, but first we need to see actual proof of why other then novelty. We don't even have an X-Men crossover with 5 properties coming our way. An X-Men crossover makes way more sense. Maybe a few of the studio fans see things the other way. Or maybe you just want your alleged competition, which would just be sad. Don't know anymore.

Fox's movies were not played out in phases with the now only two Marvel properties they own, and that's fine and all but The Wolverine and DOFP don't even line up well. Start getting the X-Men spin offs flowing first. Once that happens maybe things will be different in the next year and F4 will start making sense. If they choose not to because of story then let them do their own thing. Since First Class things have been great for fans.

 

[Picard Stewart]

Competition for the MCU was Batman VS Superman and look where that ended up moving to. Hardcore MCU and Fantastic 4 fans want F4 at Marvel. That's it. It's quite easy to understand, but...plenty of X-Men fans and Marvel fans in general also don't want to see a forced crossover. If Avengers never happened, y'all wouldn't even be discussing this. This F4 and X-Men crossover would only be happening as a "well what do we have, so we can be like them?" novelty effort. And right now the novelty of crossovers will be all gone by next year.

Couldn't disagree more.

You're "this is forced" opinion is based on the notion that Marvel Studios "coined" the crossover concept. They didn't. They just beat everyone to the punch. They did a fine job in Phase I and deserve the profitable outcome that came from laying down the bricks to a shared universe. Does that mean that now everyone else attempting a shared universe is out to copy them? No.

This is a case of Fox and Warner Bros realizing they have universes at their disposal that weren't being explored with the prospect of great profit.

To have the tools for a crossover and ignore them just because another studio is already doing it would be foolish.

The whole "this is a forced novelty crossover" argument towards an X-Men/FF team up holds no weight in the grand scheme of things. You cross them over because they exist in the same universe. Its that simple. There's plenty of larger than life villains they can team up to fight. Galactus, anyone? Heck, they can do the Doom/Magneto arc from FF. A Shi'ar movie. The list goes on.

Marvel Studios doesn't own the exclusive rights to crossover events nor should they. And the FF are safer at Fox where studio meddling can't compromise the quality of the films - which is currently the game of musical chairs Disney and Marvel Studios are playing.

 

[Eddie]

Couldn't disagree more.

You're "this is forced" opinion is based on the notion that Marvel Studios "coined" the crossover concept. They didn't. They just beat everyone to the punch. They did a fine job in Phase I and deserve the profitable outcome that came from laying down the bricks to a shared universe. Does that mean that now everyone else attempting a shared universe is out to copy them? No.

This is a case of Fox and Warner Bros realizing they have universes at their disposal that weren't being explored with the prospect of great profit.

To have the tools for a crossover and ignore them just because another studio is already doing it would be foolish.

The whole "this is a forced novelty crossover" argument towards an X-Men/FF team up holds no weight in the grand scheme of things. You cross them over because they exist in the same universe. Its that simple. There's plenty of larger than life villains they can team up to fight. Galactus, anyone? Heck, they can do the Doom/Magneto arc from FF. A Shi'ar movie. The list goes on.

Marvel Studios doesn't own the exclusive rights to crossover events nor should they. And the FF are safer at Fox where studio meddling can't compromise the quality of the films - which is currently the game of musical chairs Disney and Marvel Studios are playing.

It's still entirely possible that X-Men and Fantastic Four are not in the same "universe" due to contractual reasons. As for the studio meddling thing...

yeah, that's exactly what's happening with Fant4stic. Much of that film is being reshot do to major problems with the original shoot.

 

[Zarex]

Marvel Studios doesn't own the exclusive rights to crossover events nor should they. And the FF are safer at Fox where studio meddling can't compromise the quality of the films - which is currently the game of musical chairs Disney and Marvel Studios are playing.

Marvel may very well retain exclusive rights to crossover the properties that they own. Sony's Avi Arad, Marvel's Tom Brevoort and FOX and Marvel writer Zak Penn have all stated that movie crossovers require the sign off from the IP holder. Which makes sense. The X-Men and the FF are under two separate licensing agreements. And unless crossover terms were incorporated into the licensing agreements signed back in the 90s - which is extremely unlikely - Marvel and FOX will have to negotiate for payment terms. We'll see how that goes.

And yes, the FF are safetly ensconced at FOX. Where we got two awful films, and a cheap rights grab that bears no resemblance to the classic source material was put into production just before the reversion date. And an director in over his head who was tossed out on his keister - would that constitute "studio meddling"? I'd hate for Marvel to get their hands on the FF - look what happened to poor old Daredevil!

 

[Picard Stewart]

It's still entirely possible that X-Men and Fantastic Four are not in the same "universe" due to contractual reasons. As for the studio meddling thing...

yeah, that's exactly what's happening with Fant4stic. Much of that film is being reshot do to major problems with the original shoot.

All hearsay and most of it a smear campaign designed by Disney loyalists who want the film to fail.

Disney's dirty laundry gets aired by its own filmmakers. No need for online vitriol, just Joss Whedon going into detail about the studio's refusal to compromise and commitment to brain dead test audiences instead of its champion director.

 

[Eddie]

Borys Kit of The Hollywood Reporter is a legitimate writer at a respected trade. The stuff about Trank being fired from Star Wars because of Fant4stic is not a smear campaign. It's legit. There's also factual evidence that reshoots went on a couple of months after it was claimed they ended, as well as the budget going way oyer (over twenty million dollars).

 

[Picard Stewart]

Marvel may very well retain exclusive rights to crossover the properties that they own. Sony's Avi Arad, Marvel's Tom Brevoort and FOX and Marvel writer Zak Penn have all stated that movie crossovers require the sign off from the IP holder. Which makes sense. The X-Men and the FF are under two separate licensing agreements. And unless crossover terms were incorporated into the licensing agreements signed back in the 90s - which is extremely unlikely - Marvel and FOX will have to negotiate for payment terms. We'll see how that goes.

And yes, the FF are safetly ensconced at FOX. Where we got two awful films, and a cheap rights grab that bears no resemblance to the classic source material was put into production just before the reversion date. And an director in over his head who was tossed out on his keister - would that constitute "studio meddling"? I'd hate for Marvel to get their hands on the FF - look what happened to poor old Daredevil!

Your arguments are so tired, man. All you ever do is bring up IP rights and studio contracts - yet you know nothing. When the crossover at Fox happens 90% of your posts will be rendered pointless and if Trank's FF fares better with critics than AOU there goes the other 10%.

The two awful FF films you bring up to discredit Fox were part of the old Rothman regime that's been absent for six years now. Fox doesn't make bad movies anymore. Disney on the other hand sometimes makes a good movie and then other times (NOW) makes movies like AOU (which probably would have been a great film had they not crippled it with micromanaging).

Fox has been on point since First Class and the movies just keep getting better.

 

[def28]

Marvel Studios doesn't own the exclusive rights to crossover events nor should they. And the FF are safer at Fox where studio meddling can't compromise the quality of the films - which is currently the game of musical chairs Disney and Marvel Studios are playing.

Dude, I can't take a damn word you say seriously when you start the ******** like this.

You and the other handful of fox fanboys have painted yourself into the same picture as the MCU fanboys. It's just pathetic at this point. Enjoy your war, where nobody wins.

 

[MakeMinesMarvel]

A straight answer would have been nice. Care to fill me in on all this confidence that the FFINO are going to cross over with the X-men at some point? I'd love to hear it.

Miles Teller

"I would love to kick it with Wolverine," he said.

Rose Byrne

ComicBook.com: The Fantastic Four are coming from the same studio, so a crossover is possible. Would you be into a Fantastic Four/X-Men crossover?

I mean, it's inevitable, right? They'll do some sort of universal, kind of, argument or fight or whatever!

Simon Kinberg

“I love the characters, I love the characters in Fan Four, and I love the new cast. Obviously I love the characters and cast of X-Men. So, hypothetically, the notion of putting them together is really intriguing, and there’s some really fun stuff that the comics have done in the past. So it’s not out of the realm of possibility.”

“If we wanted to find a way to connect them to the X-Men, we could. There’s a lot of precedent from the comics.”

CB: Sure. Would you guys like to see a crossover with the X-Men franchise?

Kate Mara: We hope so!

Jamie Bell: Totally!

Kate Mara: That would be awesome.

Mark Millar

Without question I think you have to see some of these guys showing up in each other’s movies. I think the most exciting thing in superhero movies

Sophie Turner

Oh my gaaad. #FantasticFour trailer is out http://fox.co/FantasticFourTrailer … I actually can't wait to see it this summer

Simon Kinberg has said in the past that there is a motivation to "be like Marvel." While this may seem like an obvious future, however, the folks at 20th Century Fox have remained coy about the idea, never actually confirming that a meeting of their two biggest superhero franchises is in the works. So leave it to the Sony Pictures hack to shed some light on what's really going on behind the scenes.

In their most recent report about information disseminating from the studio leak, The Daily Beast has revealed very strong evidence that an X-Men/Fantastic Four crossover is in the works - courtesy of an email written by Michael De Luca, co-president of production for Columbia Pictures, to Sony Pictures Entertainment Co-Chairman Amy Pascal this past October. In the conversation, De Luca writes that he has learned directly from Simon Kinberg that Fox is working on an X-Men and Fantastic Four team-up movie

Bryan Singer

I’ve been waiting for this one. The #FantasticFour trailer is here! @Kinberg does not disappoint. http://fox.co/FantasticFour

Rumor is DOOM sees the X Universe in the N-Zone

Doom references Galactus, Annihilus and the X-Men while talking about the things he’s seen in other worlds and universes.

Any MCU fan brave enough to see the movie head will explode at that point muwhahaha

 

[Eddie]

I think Fox has put out some quality cinema, but it's fairly well known that many of their films have been just as susceptible to executive meddling as any other major studio. Story's FF films, X-Men: The Last Stand, Dragonball Evolution, and Daredevil are all good examples of films that suffered because of it. It doesn't mean Fox hasn't put out great movies (Alien and Die Hard are great), it just shows that all big studios do that. Hell, sometimes studio involvement is a good thing. If Fant4stic ends up being good, it will be a direct result of people with the studio, including Simon Kinberg, stepping in.

 

[Picard Stewart]

Dude, I can't take a damn word you say seriously when you start the hypocrite ******** like this.

You and the other handful of fox fanboys have painted yourself into the same picture as the MCU fanboys. It's just pathetic at this point.

Can you take this seriously?

My disdain for Marvel Studios' current tactics is more than justified. When they meddle, the movies suffer. I guess I just don't see how acknowledging that makes me a hypocritical "Fox fanboy".

 

[Eddie]

@MMM

I know the crossover is in development. The problem is that these same people (particularly Kinberg) also mistakenly thought that Fox had the X-Men television rights. A show was even put into development. Then a Fox employee had to acknowledge that they can't actually make it unless Marvel signs off on it.

 

[Picard Stewart]

I think Fox has put out some quality cinema, but it's fairly well known that many of their films have been just as susceptible to executive meddling as any other major studio. Story's FF films, X-Men: The Last Stand, Dragonball Evolution, and Daredevil are all good examples of films that suffered because of it. It doesn't mean Fox hasn't put out great movies (Alien and Die Hard are great), it just shows that all big studios do that. Hell, sometimes studio involvement is a good thing. If Fant4stic ends up being good, it will be a direct result of people with the studio, including Simon Kinberg, stepping in.

The difference is that both the Tim Story FFs, Daredevil, Elektra, X3 & Origins were all a product of the Tom Rothman era that's long gone. Marvel Studios has been meddling since TIH and are still at it, with AOU being the latest victim.

 

[Zarex]

Your arguments are so tired, man. All you ever do is bring up IP rights and studio contracts - yet you know nothing. When the crossover at Fox happens 90% of your posts will be rendered pointless and if Trank's FF fares better with critics than AOU there goes the other 10%.

You may find my arguments tired "man". But I do know something. And you would too if you took off your fanboy goggles and educated yourself.

A few years back I was criticized on these boards for bringing up the fact that Marvel controlled merchandising for the X Men films. "Bbbut FOX owns them!" I was told. "They can do what they want!" But the merchandise information was there online in the 2008 Marvel Entertainment 10K.

Recently I was told that FOX held the TV rights to the X-Men. "Kinberg said so!" I was told. But the facts were online in the Mutant X court decision.

So all my posts on that subject matter won't be proven pointless. They were proven to be correct. And if you knew anything about how contracts work, you would know that FOX can't merge two of them together to create a new bigger one without a sit down with the Mouse. There's a lot of info out there suggesting a FOX crossover is impossible given the existing, separate agreements. But if it makes you happy, feel free to ignore it.

 

[Eddie]

Can you take this seriously?

My disdain for Marvel Studios' current tactics is more than justified. When they meddle, the movies suffer. I guess I just don't see how acknowledging that makes me a hypocritical "Fox fanboy".

... I see a picture of four movies that are certified fresh (meaning most critics liked the movie).

 

[def28]

My disdain for Marvel Studios' current tactics is more than justified. When they meddle, the movies suffer. I guess I just don't see how acknowledging that makes me a hypocritical "Fox fanboy".

Movies in the 70%!!!! That's your argument? Are you friggin kidding me? Well lets just throwaway Kingsman caust that was studio meddling and pure **** hahahaha.

Go watch Dragon Ball Z, AvsP, XMOW, X3, Die Hard 4 etc if you want to see real studio meddling. The X-Men fans who have been on this board for more then 3 years no damn well what happens when the studios start ****ing with movies.