Frank Miller's The Dark Knight Returns Animated - Part 1

[Snow Queen]

^^ Which scene do you speak of?

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

I love how much that wound up all the fanboys...

 

[Binker]

I loved Part 2, I love the slow reveal of Superman and how his name really isn't used at all(minus Clark)! I can't remember if the book did it in the same way its been about five years since I last read it.

It's the same as the book, but there is a bit more on government censorship on television in regards to Superman. There are scenes in book three, Hunt the Dark Knight, where news spreads over the strange incidents that Superman was invovled, and that female new anchor was always trying to sneak in a Superman reference but is always cut short (they are threaten by the FCC and the gov't with censorship if they utter his name only once). Later, in book 4, Dark Knight Falls, she goes out of the way to show the "S" when the fight brtween Superman and Batman is building up, and that's why (or at least one of the reasons why) her news program gets cut off.

 

[hellblazer103]

where can i find kevin smith's smodcast on part 2 ?

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

where can i find kevin smith's smodcast on part 2 ?

I don't believe he's done one yet...

 

[hellblazer103]

I don't believe he's done one yet...

i figured he did

 

[theMan-Bat]

Writing Batman wetting his pants is a prime example of writers bring a superficial reality to superheroes which is rather stupid.
"People are attempting to bring a superficial reality to superheroes which is rather stupid. They work best as the flamboyant fantasies they are. I mean, these are characters that are broad and big. I don't need to see sweat patches under Superman's arms. I want to see him fly." - Frank Miller (2005) Legends of the Dark Knight: The History of Batman documentary.
Comic Interview #31 (1986):

Amazing Heroes #102 (1986):

 

[hellblazer103]

damn.... kevin smith's humour can be great, but....not here...

 

[spidermanJLA!~]

Writing Batman wetting his pants is a prime example of writers bring a superficial reality to superheroes which is rather stupid.
"People are attempting to bring a superficial reality to superheroes which is rather stupid. They work best as the flamboyant fantasies they are. I mean, these are characters that are broad and big. I don't need to see sweat patches under Superman's arms. I want to see him fly." - Frank Miller (2005) Legends of the Dark Knight: The History of Batman documentary.
Comic Interview #31 (1986):

Amazing Heroes #102 (1986):

times a million

 

[hellblazer103]

Writing Batman wetting his pants is a prime example of writers bring a superficial reality to superheroes which is rather stupid.
"People are attempting to bring a superficial reality to superheroes which is rather stupid. They work best as the flamboyant fantasies they are. I mean, these are characters that are broad and big. I don't need to see sweat patches under Superman's arms. I want to see him fly." - Frank Miller (2005) Legends of the Dark Knight: The History of Batman documentary.
Comic Interview #31 (1986):

Amazing Heroes #102 (1986):

i take it miller wasn't a big fan of the nolan films then.


which would be ironic considering how much year one and returns influenced those movies.

 

[BlueLightning]

I doubt it.

About Batman Begins:
"Miller: I thought they did a really, really good job. I mean, I walked out of that movie with a smile on my face; I thought it was a really strong interpretation of the character, and they knew what to borrow from and how much. I got a major kick out of the fact that they used that bit where he calls on the bats to attack the cops and that sort of thing, and I loved Gary Oldman's interpretation of exactly the Jim Gordon that I'd written in Batman: Year One. But it was [Christopher] Nolan's movie and [Christian] Bale's movie, and I just simply absorbed it and enjoyed the hell out of it."
Frank Miller

Source

 

[BatLobster]

Just goes to show...there are good ways and bad ways to add realism to a story. Begins was the former.

Also, I really hope they release Parts 1 and 2 on one Blu Ray at some point.

 

[RustyCage]

Miller isn't anti-realism, he just thinks some approaches to it are ******ed (such as Batman having a bladder spasm), while others are clever and don't overdo it with unnecessary nonsense. If you read what he says there more closely, he does explain this.

In regard to Kevin Smith, he said the 'Batman pees himself' bit was meant to, seriously, make him more relatable. It wasn't humor.

It's a shame, cause I have a really awesome Daredevil book he wrote. Wish he treated Batman with that much dignity.

I think the bit that kills me the most about it is that when Batman is speaking to the guy he's telling the story to, he's not talking anything like Batman. He's talking like Kevin Smith on a lazy day suckin' on a blunt.

Not knocking Kev as a whole, but that was a ball thoroughly dropped.

Also, 'None of you is safe.' Ugh.

 

[Eddie Dean]

Also, 'None of you is safe.' Ugh.

Oh, Kevin Smith.

 

[BH/HHH]

When I read that caption of Batman saying that I just went

 

[Travesty]

I think the bit that kills me the most about it is that when Batman is speaking to the guy he's telling the story to, he's not talking anything like Batman. He's talking like Kevin Smith on a lazy day suckin' on a blunt.

Not knocking Kev as a whole, but that was a ball thoroughly dropped.

Also, 'None of you is safe.' Ugh.

If you read the caption in Bale's voice, it's pretty funny.

"URRRR HURD A BLURRRRDER SPURZZZZAM"

 

[Snow Queen]

The scene is really groan worthy, whether it was for humor or to make Batman relatable, it wasn't Batman. It's funny since this was the guy complaining that TDKRises wasn't Batman. I mean, you can have your opinion and all, but after you write that scene...

I'm going to give the graphic novel a re-read today (as well as Knightquest and Knightsend, I really need to finish those), see which version I prefer.

 

[theMan-Bat]

Miller isn't anti-realism, he just thinks some approaches to it are ******ed (such as Batman having a bladder spasm), while others are clever and don't overdo it with unnecessary nonsense. If you read what he says there more closely, he does explain this.

Yeah, Miller believes that people can go too far in attempts at realism, attempts to make the characters relatable. As Miller puts it, the importance is that the magical element of the characters is being protected, preserved, which Denny O'Neil referred to as magic realism.

"There's a term that literary people use called magic realism. I just finished reading A Hundred Years of Solitude (1967 novel by Gabriel García Márquez) which is the seminal magic realist novel, and it's our world but tweaked and heightened, it's our world modified so that things can happen in it. The Broadway show and HBO show Angels in America is about very real problems but every once in a while an angel comes down. And that's what we've been doing with Batman all these years - it is recognizably our world but there can be a Batmobile and there can be a Batman and there can be a Joker. It's our world sort of seen in a fun-house mirror." - Denny O'Neil.
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[LostSon88]

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[RustyCage]

If you read the caption in Bale's voice, it's pretty funny.

"URRRR HURD A BLURRRRDER SPURZZZZAM"

He does do the voice without screaming at times - often, even.

I think this is the person you're thinking of:

 

[Doc Ock]

It's the same as the book, but there is a bit more on government censorship on television in regards to Superman. There are scenes in book three, Hunt the Dark Knight, where news spreads over the strange incidents that Superman was invovled, and that female new anchor was always trying to sneak in a Superman reference but is always cut short (they are threaten by the FCC and the gov't with censorship if they utter his name only once). Later, in book 4, Dark Knight Falls, she goes out of the way to show the "S" when the fight brtween Superman and Batman is building up, and that's why (or at least one of the reasons why) her news program gets cut off.

Thats fantastic. I love the way its done. I really need to go out and get the book and read it again. But I promised myself would get The Long Halloween first...

 

[Doc Samson]

The carnival scene was pretty grim. Aren't these animated films for kids? I wonder about those scenes where Joker is straight up murdering people continuously onscreen. Surely the mothers brigade would freak.

Very trick to say, especially considering that every child is different. DKR was actually the first comic I ever personally owned, that I didn't pilfer from my older brothers (which I believe is why they got it for me, to leave their stuff alone )

As a kid, it was the most epic thing I've ever looked at in my life, in comic form. It still is, with the larger than life artwork, huge splash pages, the overall scale of the story. So those types of things are what drew my attention. A more impressionable kid may take it a different way, but that goes for all forms of entertainment.

Just goes to show...there are good ways and bad ways to add realism to a story. Begins was the former.

Also, I really hope they release Parts 1 and 2 on one Blu Ray at some point.

You can probably count on that inevitable double dip. I'll be in line though

Writing Batman wetting his pants is a prime example of writers bring a superficial reality to superheroes which is rather stupid.
"People are attempting to bring a superficial reality to superheroes which is rather stupid. They work best as the flamboyant fantasies they are. I mean, these are characters that are broad and big. I don't need to see sweat patches under Superman's arms. I want to see him fly." - Frank Miller (2005) Legends of the Dark Knight: The History of Batman documentary.
Comic Interview #31 (1986):

Part of the reason I feel Superman hasn't worked yet and (I fear) might not work again this year. They keep trying to make him someone we can relate to, when IMO, he needs to be something we aspire to be.

He needs to be larger than life, mythical & alien. I want to be awed, not trying to relate to him having a child or being reviled on some superficial level for his very existence. That MoS poster with him in cuffs makes me shake my head every time. Only time itself will tell I suppose...

 

[theMan-Bat]

Tonight at 8:30 pm pacific time, watch live stream of the Batman: The Dark Knight Returns - Part 2 panel at the Los Angeles premiere with producer Bruce Timm, Peter Weller (Batman/Bruce Wayne), Ariel Winter (Robin/Carrie Kelley), director Jay Oliva, voice director Andrea Romano, screenwriter Bob Goodman, moderated by Kevin Smith.
http://www.paleycenter.org/2013-spring-batman-dark-knight-returns-part-2-la/?utm_source=social&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=

 

[theMan-Bat]

Part of the reason I feel Superman hasn't worked yet and (I fear) might not work again this year. They keep trying to make him someone we can relate to, when IMO, he needs to be something we aspire to be.

He needs to be larger than life, mythical & alien. I want to be awed, not trying to relate to him having a child or being reviled on some superficial level for his very existence. That MoS poster with him in cuffs makes me shake my head every time. Only time itself will tell I suppose...

My sentiments pretty much exactly.

 

[BatLobster]

So far, I think MOS is going more with the god-like, mythical approach to Superman. I'm guessing that showing him being arrested in the promotional materials is more about showing that the film will have a more plausible exploration of how the military would react such a figure emerging. It also shows that Superman has enough respect for the law that he is willingly cooperating (much like TDKReturns). I don't think it's meant to be a "he's dark and sad" kinda thing.