Superman Returns FULL Ottman Score!

[Bad Superman]

Actually, Singer asked Williams to do it -- and Williams declined. In an interview, he said he couldn't do it because Routh resembled Chris Reeve too much -- which I take means it felt like he was treading on sacred ground and he didn't want to touch that.

I don't think that's a valid reason, but I respect it.

 

[Bad Superman]

Damn, there is chorus on almost every damn song on this thing. Really, really way overused.

It's the only problem I have with the score. The rest is amazing.

 

[USMC]

I love it, I've listened to it twice already. Fantastic!

 

[Lightning54SC]

I don't think that's a valid reason, but I respect it.

You better erspect it id do the same thing no matter now much they were gonna pay

 

[Super78]

Someone said that they read somewhere where Singer went to Williams, but he said that Routh looked too much like Reeve and he didn't want to do it. I would have hounded Williams until he relented like Katzenberg did to get Nimoy back as Spock in Star Trek The Motion Picture. I mean he got on his hand and knees pleading for Nimoy to return, and I believe it was the only reason Nimoy did it. Singer needed to do the same.

Damn, there is chorus on almost every damn song on this thing. Really, really way overused. William's used a chorus only sparingly and he came up with an iconic score that didn't have to resort to the chorus trick to sound important.

I took his not wanting to do the score because it was going to be too hard for him to score another Superman movie while Brandon looks so much like Reeve.

That it would've been, emotionally, difficult to do.

 

[Fatboy Roberts]

I guess I'll post this here, too

Ottman does break new ground in his own writing, again almost channelling Elliot Goldenthal, Jerry Goldsmith and Michael Giacchino at varying times in this soundtrack, and yet somehow swirling all that up with John Williams flavor of bombast. Sometimes the choir isn't used all that creatively, but that seems to be by design, not by failure of ambition. Just use the voices as punctuation, not as key component of the melody. Most times it works, but yes, some cues sound more like noodling, incidental music rather than a key part of the storytelling. I don't see much overuse, he spares it for the most part.

I think it DOES stand out, Ottman's "Personal Theme for Superman" especially, which almost overtakes the Love Theme in terms of quiet grandiosity. But it doesn't quite scale all the heights Williams' does. even with 55 minutes only, the pieces Ottman chose seem to meander just a LITTLE too much, sometimes making the album feel longer than it is.

But when Ottman decides to stomp on it, he does. The ostinato has never sounded as full and URGENT as it does a couple times in this film, the build to the main theme never as pressing and energetic. It works well when it wants to rouse you.

 

[romeogbs19]

I don't think that's a valid reason, but I respect it.

I agree Bad Superman -- I had hoped Williams would have done it, too -- but I understood where John was coming from. He doesn't need the $$$ anymore, so it sounds like he had memories of that time, and he didn't want to go back and step on them. That makes sense -- Superman was, after all, one of his most important and milestone career moments, and he's said before that he was very close friends with Chris.

 

[Aetherus]

Can anyone get this as a downloadable file?? I will buy the soundtrack without a doubt, but would love to be able to listen to this until then ...

Audacity can be your friend, and it's free...

 

[buggs0268]

I agree Bad Superman -- I had hoped Williams would have done it, too -- but I understood where John was coming from. He doesn't need the $$$ anymore, so it sounds like he had memories of that time, and he didn't want to go back and step on them. That makes sense -- Superman was, after all, one of his most important and milestone career moments, and he's said before that he was very close friends with Chris.

Didn't know that he and Reeve remained close. He might have done it had Reeve not passed away. And from what I read on his CD's the scores he had really grown to love was STM and Jaws 2. But yeah he doesn't need the money, but it would have been nice. But he will do what he will do. He told the Salkind's F.U. (Not literally but proverbially) when he found out they fired Donner from finishing SII. I think if Donner had directed this, even with Reeve passed on, he would have done it. I think he feels obligated to a few directors. I was really, really suprised to see he did the soundtrack to Home Alone when it first came out. See, another movie with Christmass music that he redid and added that I was whistling that thing after I saw it.

 

[buggs0268]

damn double post

 

[Superfreak]

i got a Matrix feel when the chorus came on... you really dont need a chorus with Superman.

not so early in the game, and definately not so prolifically, I agree

 

[Pittman4Two]

I hate to be the bubble buster here, but it sounds like the original.

Who does this Ott-Man think he is...ripping off Jack Williams like that?

 

[Steelsheen]

Audacity can be your friend, and it's free...

you can capture streaming with audacity?

i have it on my comp and all i do with it is edit some music

 

[Steelsheen]

I hate to be the bubble buster here, but it sounds like the original.

Who does this Ott-Man think he is...ripping off Jack Williams like that?

that's John Williams


and Ottman isnt ripping off. Singer and Co. asked permission from Williams if they can use the theme and Williams wholeheartedly gave his go ahead.

 

[romeogbs19]

you can capture streaming with audacity?

i have it on my comp and all i do with it is edit some music

Yeah -- I wasn't aware Audacity could do that, either...

I'm not as saavy on this, so can someone pls. turn this into a downloadable file? Thanks!

 

[Pittman4Two]

that's John Williams


and Ottman isnt ripping off. Singer and Co. asked permission from Williams if they can use the theme and Williams wholeheartedly gave his go ahead.

"Jack" is a nickname for "John". It's kinda like if I call you Charlie instead of Steelsheen.

I think we all know Mr. Williams well enough to call him Jack.

Well, if he wasn't forced to give his permissions about the theme, then by golly I'm behind Ottman and Singer. Go to it, boys!

 

[Comic Book Boy]

How can I DL this?

 

[rock_on]

I have to applaud Ottman for honoring and paying tribute to John Williams score. I have the soundtrack to S:TM and I listen to it feverishly. And it's great to hear Ottman pick out the motifs and the melodies that gave S:TM its defining sound while creating a new feel and emotion to it too. There are definite parts of Ottman's score that Williams would never do, mostly because Williams has a very definite sound (which you get a sense of after listening to all of the many soundtracks that Williams did... so very many) So to sum up, Ottman's score highlights the best of Williams while infusing new and great melodies. I think Ottman's score fits SR and today's day and age very well. Can't wait to get it!

 

[Fatboy Roberts]

How can I DL this?

legally? you can't.

illegally? Get thee to a torrent site.

Pittman is the most unintentionally (I think) comedic poster here. I'm loving it. That's not a slam or a bit of snide snarkery, but I'm seriously laughing. It's like Crispin Glover posting in the forums.

 

[Steelsheen]

"Jack" is a nickname for "John". It's kinda like if I call you Charlie instead of Steelsheen.

I think we all know Mr. Williams well enough to call him Jack.

well i'm not related to Mr Williams or even a friend to be able to call him "Jack". and even if we really were close-- like Geroge Lucas is to him, i think he's called "Johnny"

Well, if he wasn't forced to give his permissions about the theme, then by golly I'm behind Ottman and Singer. Go to it, boys!

its one of the decisions i support Singer for. he know that the music is part of the whole Superman institution so he made full use of it. i wish they did the same with Batman for BB but i admit that the style wasnt that suited to the theme of the first film.

 

[Aetherus]

you can capture streaming with audacity?

i have it on my comp and all i do with it is edit some music

Just set your recording source to "Wave/Mp3" and record away! Since it's recording off the soundcard output, make sure no other sounds are played while recording (computer "dings" or anything coming out your speakers), or you'll record those sounds too! Happy recording!

 

[Pittman4Two]

I agree with Fatboy.

You'll probably want to go to the music store to see if you can purchase the album first or you could just bookmark the superherohype page that has the link and then you could listen to it all the time.

Why not support Singer and Ottman by purchasing the software or at least listening to it when you have the chance? He'd appreciate it I'm sure. He forked out some big money to make this movie we'll all cherish for years. The least we can do is pay him back by buying his music.

Steelsheen, I agree...Singer should've used the same theme for Begins as he did for the original.

 

[bingy13]

I like this score a lot, and it definately grows on you with each listen. I like that the theme isn't used heavily, and I like how it feels like you are just floating in air, almost with Superman (or angels), when listening to it. Or maybe it's just me...

I still like the score for X3 just a little more, with the Phoenix and new X-Men theme, but I'm sure this will just continue to grow on me. Is it as original? Probably not... Is it touching, epic music? Yes...

 

[buggs0268]

well i'm not related to Mr Williams or even a friend to be able to call him "Jack". and even if we really were close-- like Geroge Lucas is to him, i think he's called "Johnny"

I believe Spielberg calls him Johnny too in a few interviews, so I think that is his preffered buddy name.

its one of the decisions i support Singer for. he know that the music is part of the whole Superman institution so he made full use of it. i wish they did the same with Batman for BB but i admit that the style wasnt that suited to the theme of the first film.

I missed the Elfman theme in BB too. It worked with Mask of the phantasm, and I think it would have worked in BB.

And yes, if you like it, buy it. it is not "supermany" to rip off something.

 

[Wushuboy]

I'll tell you I don't like the end from 55:00 - 55:04 it just ends abruptly. There is this HUGE build up and you get all excited and then boom, it's done!

I guess in that sense I prefer the Williams theme:

http://www.capedwonder.com/soundtrack/Prelude_MainTitle.mp3

Listen to the very last 30 seconds...they hold a note for 2 measures, and then it ends. I've listened to William's Superman theme SO much that it's hard to accept then newer ending.

It's too hard to campare this to the whole William's theme. You have two different themes in two different movies, seperated by almost 30 years, and it's sorta taken out of context without the movie.

this is something I have to totally agree with. Ottman begins with taht wonderful build up and it has you waiting in anticipation for that main hook but it just cuts to the ending. WTF? That's the worst ending ever. If superman's flying by how can you not use the main theme here and jsut cut to the ending? Horrible.