G.I. Joe: How would you have done it?

well the issue is that there is a TON of source material from different places.....you have the 80's cartoon, the early 90's DIC cartoons, the comics, the DTVs that Hasbro had been putting out, Sigma Six, and most recently Resolute...and you have fans saying "well only the comics matter" or "only the 80's animated series matters"...Larry Hama is working on this film, and he wrote a good majority of the comics, Sommers even talks about how he shot certain ideas down in meetings
 
That is a good point. GI Joe has had a ton of exposure in many mediums, and has been done differently. I just happen to like the 80's nostalgia :csad:

Though the tone is not really my problem with the film from what I've seen. I don't like the exosuits, and I do feel they're trying to cash in on the superhero craze by adding effects that are not really necessary just to have them look like a bigger blockbuster. Which will in return hamper the plot and tone the film wants to achieve. I think going a bit smaller than they seem to have would have been better for this film, no matter which source they were prioritizing.
 
a lot of people are complaining about the suits, from what Ive read they are used in one sequence and its part of a sub story about what gets the job done? the man or the equipment?? and it looks like it doesnt go well
 
Where to start, where to start?

First, no nanotechnology. It looks good on paper and in the cartoons but I would have it where Cobra attacks the Empire State Building and various other U.S. monuments/eyesores across the country stirring up 9/11 memories and setiments. The U.S. thinks it was Al-Qaeda or North Korea that plotted the attacks but later learn about Cobra being led by a mysterious man named Destro and his accomplice Cobra Commander. Who is this Cobra? General Hawk is called in from Washington to investigate and he assembles a team of some of the best operatives in the world: Duke, Scarlett, Gung-Ho, Roadblock, Flint, Shipwreck, Ripcord, and Wild Bill. We see the origin of Snake Eyes and Storm Shadow.

Second, no internationalizing the Joes or globalizing them. They are a team of the best U.S. operatives, agents, and guns-for-hire in the world. Make them like Stallone's Expendables, a unique, fighting team ala like "The Dirty Dozen" or "Inglorious Bastards", a group of people who've enlisted and volunteered to be a part of a shadow, rogue group, that Washington only calls upon when the going needs to get tough.

Third, no accelerator suits. Just good old-fashioned heavy weaponry and artillery is all that is needed.

Fourth, Destro wears his mask all through the movie. No explanation as to why or how he got that way. Cobra Commander starts out as Duke's friend but during a tour in Afghanistan, he is badly burnt in a roadside bomb explosion and believed to be dead. Feeling as though he was forgotten and left for dead, he vows vengeance on Duke and the U.S. donning something like this:

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Fifth, it'd feel Michael Bay-sized with tons of action, explosions, and shooting but also a swordfight between Snake Eyes and Storm Shadow.

Sixth, some of the Joes do die ala like "Transformers" but the cause is great and their sacrifice doesn't go down in vain or unquestioned. One of these happens to be General Hawk, whom gives the mantle over to Duke.

Seventh, Cobra Commander, Destro, and Baroness live to fight another day.
 
I don't mind the team being "international" as it seems to be under American command (General Hawk)
 
And Cobra Commander and Duke having a history? That just sounds hackneyed.

It's really a simple story. Terrorist organization makes a play for world domination, U.S. and United Nations respond by forming an elite group of soldiers to combat them. Cool weapons, cool vehicles, explosions, obligatory ninja fight, Creepy Baroness/Destro sex games, Maybe a love triangle between Snake Eyes, Scarlett, and Duke. Joe's win, Cobra Commander escapes. Somebody says, "Now we know! And Knowing is half the Battle!" Roll credits.
 
play for world domination involving a really overblown plan...look at Gi Joe Resolute, using killer satellite umbrella things, but executed well as Resolute is really entertaining
 
Yup. That's how you do it. Take it seriously, but not too seriously. Say what you want about the silly umbrellas, they still killed like over a million people. That's a hardcore body count.
 
a lot of people are complaining about the suits, from what Ive read they are used in one sequence and its part of a sub story about what gets the job done? the man or the equipment?? and it looks like it doesnt go well

They may try and slant it that way, but the reason they were put in the movie was for effects and to make the film look bigger. The suits are barely used supposidely, but dominate the marketing. Why is that? To capitalize off the superhero market. It is cheap, and the money they spent on the effects (that look pretty bad IMO) could have been saved or spent elsewhere for better stuff. I don't see how the suits broaden the base at all. They just seem like a cheap marketing ploy.
 
They are. You'd be surprised how many asses will be in seats because of those stupid things.
 
I think I would rather have gone with more grit, less CGI fantasy...more like the comics, less like the animated show. I don't have a problem with some of the actors (Quaid, Miller, Park, Eccleston) but I really would have preferred an actor who seems qualified to be the First Sergeant. Tatum seems a little too young, a little too street, a little to pretty and a little to amateur an actor to play Duke. Maybe he'll surprise me, but I would have preferred Aaron Eckhart, Thomas Jane or (my personal favorite choice) Nathan Fillion. Someone who exudes a bit of experience and ruggedness.

As far as the characters, I kinda like the group from the original animated series. Duke, Scarlett, Stalker, Snake Eyes, Gung Ho and a few others. Maybe bring in both Rock n Roll and Roadblock as machine gun partners (potential for some comic relief between the two).

It's difficult to say how "serious" you can make a movie based on a comic which features Cobra villains. Cobra Commander, Destro, Baroness, Major Blood, Zartan, Tomax and Xamot are all VERY colorful. But Chris Nolan was able to bring a degree of seriousness and reality to characters like Scarecrow, Ra's Al Ghul and the Joker.
 
It sounds like what a lot of you would have done is what we'll probably get in G.I. JOE 2: THE REIGN OF COBRA.

Would I watch a serious GI JOE movie with sociopolitical elements that took a real look at terrorism? You bet. Was that ever likely to happen? Were we ever going to get an R-rated movie about a super high tech paramilitary organization, or anything approaching that? Of course not.

What in God's name does "necessary" even mean in the context of a high tech paramilitary organization?

So, the Jump Jets are fine, the Jump jetpacks are fine, no one *****es about Breaker's high tech comm-suit thing...but a battle exoskeleton is just too, too much?

It's all well and good to say "They should be a team of the US's best", but how, pray tell, is that more compelling than this international concept?
 
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It sounds like what a lot of you would have done is what we'll probably get in G.I. JOE 2: THE REIGN OF COBRA.

Would I watch a serious GI JOE movie with sociopolitical elements that took a real look at terrorism? You bet. Was that ever likely to happen? Were we ever going to get an R-rated movie about a super high tech paramilitary organization, or anything approaching that? Of course not.

What in God's name does "necessary" even mean in the context of a high tech paramilitary organization?

So, the Jump Jets are fine, the Jump jetpacks are fine, no one *****es about Breaker's high tech comm-suit thing...but a battle exoskeleton is just too, too much?

It's all well and good to say "They should be a team of the US's best", but how, pray tell, is that more compelling than this international concept?

Jetpacks and such are not a big deal. The exosuits are a different story to me. That's not in the spirit of GI Joe, IMO. That is Iron Man, with the GI Joe name printed on it. If I wanted to watch people wear armored suits to fight terrorists, I'd watch Iron Man. Not GI Joe. I expect GI Joe to be grounded in reality a bit more than the exosuits create. Do I expect it to be uber realistic? No, but I do think the laws of physics and such should apply more so to GI Joe than your average comic book film.

The international concept doesn't bug me. I'm meh to that. I just have a problem with GI Joe trying to cash in on superheroes, when it should be GI Joe.
 
Jetpacks and such are not a big deal. The exosuits are a different story to me. That's not in the spirit of GI Joe, IMO. That is Iron Man, with the GI Joe name printed on it. If I wanted to watch people wear armored suits to fight terrorists, I'd watch Iron Man. Not GI Joe. I expect GI Joe to be grounded in reality a bit more than the exosuits create. Do I expect it to be uber realistic? No, but I do think the laws of physics and such should apply more so to GI Joe than your average comic book film.

The international concept doesn't bug me. I'm meh to that. I just have a problem with GI Joe trying to cash in on superheroes, when it should be GI Joe.

are you not paying attention??...the suits are used in ONE action sequence, they **** it up, and it doesn't look like they get used again

the reason they are used in the trailers is because they are eye catching....**** Destro is a WEAPONS manufacturer, this is a story of man vs. machines....is it the man or the equipment that gets the job done??
 
are you not paying attention??...the suits are used in ONE action sequence, they **** it up, and it doesn't look like they get used again

the reason they are used in the trailers is because they are eye catching....**** Destro is a WEAPONS manufacturer, this is a story of man vs. machines....is it the man or the equipment that gets the job done??

I am paying attention. I'm not even going into amount used, I'm going into mentality behind using them AT ALL! Are you not paying attention?

I don't feel the suits fit in with GI Joe in the first place, and the fact the marketing campaign is all around that one sequence, and the way that sequence works, the intention of the project is clear. The intention is to milk off of superheroes with the GI Joe label. One sequence or more, the fact they've marketed the film this way and even made these dumb things shows me that this project is not what I feel is in the spirit of GI Joe. If I feel the spirit and intent of the filmmakers during production is off, why should I excuse them for only using these in one sequence? They're a dumb idea that should have been made at all, IMO. They could have explored this theme without making Iron Men.
 
I don't think it's ideal either, but it's a good way to show that depending TOO much on equipment is not always the smartest move...the 90's DIC Cartoon had that Environment Force, and Ninja Force, those were "special suits" too
 
I don't think it's ideal either, but it's a good way to show that depending TOO much on equipment is not always the smartest move...the 90's DIC Cartoon had that Environment Force, and Ninja Force, those were "special suits" too

I've actually not seen much of the DIC cartoon. Just was never on when I was watching it. I'd watch it if they release it on DVD though since they're releasing them again. Not sure if the rights to that cartoon are with the company releasing them on DVD though.
 
are you not paying attention??...the suits are used in ONE action sequence, they **** it up, and it doesn't look like they get used again

the reason they are used in the trailers is because they are eye catching....**** Destro is a WEAPONS manufacturer, this is a story of man vs. machines....is it the man or the equipment that gets the job done??

I beg to differ. The suits are a major plot point. They're not just in one scene. They are in several action scenes... the rest of the movie is used to introduce them to the audience in a variety of ways. The Man v. Machine thing, is that even an original idea? :csad:

The suits play an integral role - its not in one scene. Several scenes, and in my humble opinion, they don't quite rock... like at all.
 
are you not paying attention??...the suits are used in ONE action sequence, they **** it up, and it doesn't look like they get used again

the reason they are used in the trailers is because they are eye catching....**** Destro is a WEAPONS manufacturer, this is a story of man vs. machines....is it the man or the equipment that gets the job done??

Since they even put the Joes in those acceleration suits on the poster, I think they are definitely used more than one action sequence.
 
the only two posters Ive seen just have Duke and Snake Eyes on them, could be just the theater i go to
 
The suits are in two scenes. A training sequence, and in the Paris chase.
 
most of the pics or posters ive seen online have the Joes in the black outfits...Im not crazy about those either, but it seems a bit more practical then having Duke run around in JUST a khaki shirt....his uniform in Resolute was pretty decent
 

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