Sequels "Gambit" starring Channing Tatum? - Part 1

[Majik1387]

The Wolverine was shot for $120 million. Notice how I said "the last Wolverine movie".

Noted.

We know it's a solo movie about a character we've never seen on screen before starring someone whose average movie grosses $68 million domestically.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/people/chart/?id=channingtatum.htm

Correction, he has been seen onscreen before but with a different actor.

And let's look at Tatum's movies where he's been the lead/co-lead

BO win
Magic Mike XXL
22 Jump Street
Magic Mike
21 Jump Street
The Vow
Dear John
Step Up
She's the Man

BO loss
Jupiter Ascending
Foxcatcher
Haywire
Stop-Loss

In the middle
Book of Life
White House Down
Side Effects
GI Joe: Rise of Cobra

Double box office wins compared to bombs, and 4 moderate successes.

And if he brings his usual $68mil to the movie, its up to Fox to get other cast members to bring in more; it's not all resting on Tatum to get back the $150mil.

Seems like that's all you really need to know to at least have a discussion, yet here you are telling us we shouldn't.

No one is having a discussion about it, only negative comments of it being too high.

Deadpool is being shot for what, $40 million? Kick ass was $40 million. Daredevil was $80 million. Ant-man was $130. FF 2015 was originally budgeted for around $80 million. The Watchmen was $130 million.
I could keep going, but I think you get my point.

Kick Ass and Daredevil do not need the same kind of effect Gambit does.
Yes, Ant-Man and Watchmen's budget were 130mil, like usual comic hero films.
Fantastic Four is a small movie mostly filmed in green screen, it's not going to have a huge budget.

Yep, it's on them for sure. Not sure why that's pertinent, as the only point I have continued to make is that discussions like this are far from ridiculous.

Except that it is.

Gambit has a basic comic hero movie budget and people are trying to say its too much/too high. It's ridiculous to the point of idiocy.

 

[kevork89]

I wouldn't even put Foxcatcher as a loss as that's an indie/award movie. Don't know if box office for that is even important because he got critic and audience acclaim for it. Tatum has major success people. I don't know why people doubt that.

 

[Majik1387]

I only included Foxcatcher because it only got half its budget back, and yes I know it has audience and critical acclaim. I just wanted to include all leading/co-leading roles of his.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

White House Down was a flop. I liked White House Down but it was a flop, it didn't do moderately well.

 

[Flint Marko]

Noted.
Correction, he has been seen onscreen before but with a different actor.

And let's look at Tatum's movies where he's been the lead/co-lead

BO win
Magic Mike XXL
22 Jump Street
Magic Mike
21 Jump Street
The Vow
Dear John
Step Up
She's the Man

BO loss
Jupiter Ascending
Foxcatcher
Haywire
Stop-Loss

In the middle
Book of Life
White House Down
Side Effects
GI Joe: Rise of Cobra

Double box office wins compared to bombs, and 4 moderate successes.

And if he brings his usual $68mil to the movie, its up to Fox to get other cast members to bring in more; it's not all resting on Tatum to get back the $150mil.
No one is having a discussion about it, only negative comments of it being too high.

Kick Ass and Daredevil do not need the same kind of effect Gambit does.
Yes, Ant-Man and Watchmen's budget were 130mil, like usual comic hero films.
Fantastic Four is a small movie mostly filmed in green screen, it's not going to have a huge budget.

Except that it is.

Gambit has a basic comic hero movie budget and people are trying to say its too much/too high. It's ridiculous to the point of idiocy.

I've seen some petty arguments on SHH in my time, but this one's certainly up there. There's no sense in even continuing this. Logic would dictate that anyone who wants a potential Gambit franchise would rather Fox be a little more modest on the spending. I'll say it again, Gambit is not a character that demands a huge budget. You still have yet to present a convincing counter-argument to this, he's a thief who makes things explode.
But no matter, apparently how Fox spends money is "none of our business", we should just accept any and everything they do, how dare anyone criticize Fox

 

[Majik1387]

It did fine world wide.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

No it didn't. A film doing 205mil worldwide on 150 million dollar budget is called a flop. Next you are going to tell me that John Carter was a hit.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

I SEE SPIDEY has her claws out today, lol.

 

[Mr. Youtube]

No it didn't. A film doing 205mil worldwide on 150 million dollar budget is called a flop. Next you are going to tell me that John Carter was a hit.

That depends on the marketing. It could very well be a flop, but I doubt that the marketing was high enough for it to not have been a flop. Moderate success, not a hit, but likely a profit.

 

[regnak]

That depends on the marketing. It could very well be a flop, but I doubt that the marketing was high enough for it to not have been a flop. Moderate success, not a hit, but likely a profit.

No the studio only gets about 50% of the box office. So White House Down lost almost $50 million at the BO not counting marketing. 150M budget -50% of the gross, 102.5M= $47.5 million loss.

 

[DlAMONDZ]

It made 73M domestic. That's a flop if I ever saw one

 

[Mr. Youtube]

No the studio only gets about 50% of the box office. So White House Down lost almost $50 million at the BO not counting marketing. 150M budget -50% of the gross, 102.5M= $47.5 million loss.

Didn't know that, it's interesting.

For Gambit, I see that it could make back it's budget. With this profit-loss thing in mind, though, you've got to assume that it'd be riding hard off of the success of the X-Men film series. I'd guess around $300 million for this movie. You'd get in the audience who's interested in Channing Tatum, the audience who is invested in X-Men, then comics in general and then just people who want to watch. Then if the movie is good, it could certainly make reasonable money. I do agree, though $150 million is too high for what we EXPECT from Gambit. Who knows what they want to give us, right? I'll say it again, I'd expect a budget around the lines of Inside Man. Given that Tatum is producing this, it's a production issue that I'd figure forces him off if he even comes off, which I doubt he will.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

That depends on the marketing. It could very well be a flop, but I doubt that the marketing was high enough for it to not have been a flop. Moderate success, not a hit, but likely a profit.

It was a summer tentpole film of course the marketing budget was high. I'm sorry I was rooting for the film but it was a flop.

 

[EnDz0n3]

Does anyone else see the irony of Majik complaining about the people mentioning the budget and it's opened up a whole discussion about the budget?

"It's ridiculous to the point of idiocy."

 

[Kermit_The_Frog]

I didn't know the budget was a major concern all of a sudden.

 

[dax]

Not sure it was ever his choice whether he played him or not

Seeing as he played gambit last in 2009 and then they only started moving forward with a solo the moment Tatum expressed interest... I'd say fox had no interest in Taylor kitsch

Well, anything can happen now that Channing Tatum has dropped out.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I SEE SPIDEY has her claws out today, lol.

 

[Orba]

I didn't know the budget was a major concern all of a sudden.

The more Fox spend on the film the harder it is for the film to make a profit, the smaller the profit it makes the smaller the chance of Fox making a sequel or trying to make other solo films with other X-Men characters.

 

[Sullstar]

The Wolverine was shot for $120 million. Notice how I said "the last Wolverine movie".

And that's about the budget of Gambit when you account for tax breaks. And Gambit's powers are more special effects driven than Wolverine.

Well, anything can happen now that Channing Tatum has dropped out.

But he hasn't dropped out

FWIW I don't think this 'action clout' thing matters. Tatum is still a box office draw whether it's action, comedy, romcom or male stripping. Most of his action films that have flopped have been downright awful films.

I liked White House Down but it suffered from being worse than a identical film that came out a month before

 

[psylockolussus]

Also just my opinion but if this film is made I think it would be smart of Fox to include Rogue and use her properly this time.

Thats what I'm hoping for!

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Thats what I'm hoping for!

Until you realize they would be recasting the role.

 

[dax]

But he hasn't dropped out

Then why are there news reports saying that he IS dropping out of the Gambit movie? We wouldn't be having this conversation if it wasn't true.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

He may drop out, but he hasn't yet. Chances are, he will stay.

 

[Sullstar]

Then why are there news reports saying that he IS dropping out of the Gambit movie? We wouldn't be having this conversation if it wasn't true.

Because most film sites are nothing but click bait. The Wrap who are the only site that has cited a source say he could leave, Jeff Sneider also said that he hasn't even signed the actual contract yet

 

[Flint Marko]

And that's about the budget of Gambit when you account for tax... and Gambit's powers are more special effects driven than Wolverine.

I'm not so sure about the tax thing. I also don't think Gambits powers require drastically more effects than Wolverine, especially when you consider that Wolverine is a more bankable character with a more bankable star. There's no reason the two should have comparable budgets. Again, Gambit is a small time theif from New Orleans.