Sequels "Gambit" starring Channing Tatum? - Part 1

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

Failures have been happening at studios since 1910, what's the issue? Flops will happen from time to time. Seems obvious to say but filmmaking isn't a science.

 

[starscream22]

Failures have been happening at studios since 1910, what's the issue? Flops will happen from time to time. Seems obvious to say but filmmaking isn't a science.

So like...is this the motto for Fox-Marvel then cause I don't see Marvel Studio's making any plans on using it.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Agreed. I even enjoyed The Wolverine.

I liked it too. Especially the Unrated Version.

 

[Majik1387]

Marvel Studios is also not only very young, but they only exist to make Marvel movies/shows; nothing else. And again, nothing wrong with that, but they are not in the same kind of competition as other movies and shows.

 

[starscream22]

Marvel Studios is also not only very young, but they only exist to make Marvel movies/shows; nothing else. And again, nothing wrong with that, but they are not in the same kind of competition as other movies and shows.

So.....

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

On the comic book movie front Marvel definitely has it easier than studios whom aren't exclusively making comic book films. That's not in any way to downplay their incredible success but Fox and WB make more than comic book films so that can't exclusively be their focus.

 

[Eddie]

I was aiming more for the comic based movies, but ok then. Honestly forgot that movie even existed.

2014 also had the hits of DoFP, Fault in Our Stars, Gone Girl, Dawn of the Planet of the Apes, Maze Runner, How to Train Your Dragon 2, Book of Life, as well as some other movies I'm sure I'm forgetting.

As far as I know, the only fails Fox had this year was the Poltergeist remake, Aloha, and of course, Fant4stic.

You don't know the studio very well. Aloha was not their film (they distributed it in some markets, that's all), and Fox has put out such fine films as Hitman: Agent 47 and Unfinished Business (that one made well under its budget AND critics hated it). Fox has had a poor year.

 

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

Exactly.

Comparing Marvel to other studios is apples and oranges. Making CBM's is the lifeblood of the studio, so it's in their best interest, i.e. SURVIVAL, to make them work. It's a more singular and focused goal then traditional studios have, other then to make $$$ of course.

 

[Majik1387]

My mistake, had no idea that failure of a movie with white washing was produced by four studios and distributed by two entirely different production companies.

I've never heard of Unfinished Business, and it's probably for the better by the looks of it. And Hitman; meh wasn't big into the games, didn't care for the first movie, and literally only saw a commercial or two for Agent 47.

Never said Fox was doing amazing this year, but Fant4stic was really their only true B.O. bomb compare to it's other fails of the year.

 

[starscream22]

Fox and WB are multi billion dollar studios....

How hard would be to annex a side studio exclusive to making CMB's? And if and/or when the well dries... then consolidate it back into the fold as studios have done in the past. This is especially for WB since they have all their eggs in one basket so there's no real reason they couldn't surpass Marvel if they were focused.

Using other films isn't really an excuse to me since it clear that these and other studio's are on the aligned universe bandwagon because of Marvel's success. Yet they don't wanna take all the steps to get there.

 

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

Fox and WB are multi billion dollar studios....

How hard would be to annex a side studio exclusive to making CMB's? And if and/or when the well dries... then consolidate it back into the fold as studios have done in the past. This is especially for WB since they have all their eggs in one basket so there's no real reason they couldn't surpass Marvel if they were focused.

Using other films isn't really an excuse to me since it clear that these and other studio's are on the aligned universe bandwagon because of Marvel's success. Yet they don't wanna take all the steps to get there.

Marvel is unique in that it was a boutique studio before Disney bought them. Had they been bought before the formation of the studio who knows if it would even exist?

 

[starscream22]

Exactly.

Comparing Marvel to other studios is apples and oranges. Making CBM's is the lifeblood of the studio, so it's in their best interest, i.e. SURVIVAL, to make them work. It's a more singular and focused goal then traditional studios have, other then to make $$$ of course.

I'm sure Pixar isn't amused... And they only make one movie a year.

Disney could easily adsorb both of those sibling companies back into the fold if it were feasible. Then it would just be Disney vs WB, Fox, etc. But it's not since both are doing extremely well on their own.

Singling out Marvel Studios for exclusively making CBM's just sounds like a convenient cop out. It's still Disney for better (MCU and Netflix) or for worse (Animated division).

 

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

May sound like a cop-out, but it's not. Their sole purpose is to make comic book films. It's why fans have a connection to them (because they are fans themselves) and why they consistently put out top quality films in the genre. Ditto for Pixar. Both boutique studios under the Disney umbrella.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Pointing out differences is not letting any studio off the hook or downplaying success.

 

[Mike Murdock]

FFINO should have made everyone wary of future Marvel projects from Fox. Debacle for the ages.

Except Deadpool looks quite promising. I continue to be optimistic about that.

I don't think Fox can handle Fantastic Four. I think they've proven time and time again that they not only don't know how to handle that property but they're actively ashamed of using it in any way that's authentic. They're also shockingly cheap.

But X-Men is a different story. I think they learned their lesson from X-Men United and X-Men Origins and have hired people who will make a good story and give them support (within reason) to make it. This early on, I'm still willing to give them the benefit of the doubt (and I'll say, this early, I gave Fantastic Four the benefit of the doubt, it was a combination of public comments, rumors, and no official info followed by bad official info that soured me there).

 

[GuestStar2004]

I think the reason why deadpool may work is pretty much because fox had no confidence in it for a long time so didn't really interfere with it and it wasn't until the leak footage when people reacted well to it that fox started to gain a little bit of faith in it to give it a try

 

[Zarex]

Fox and WB are multi billion dollar studios....

How hard would be to annex a side studio exclusive to making CMB's? And if and/or when the well dries... then consolidate it back into the fold as studios have done in the past. This is especially for WB since they have all their eggs in one basket so there's no real reason they couldn't surpass Marvel if they were focused.

Using other films isn't really an excuse to me since it clear that these and other studio's are on the aligned universe bandwagon because of Marvel's success. Yet they don't wanna take all the steps to get there.

But if you don't have a Feige or a reasonable fascimile to run the damn thing, you've added expensive reduntant infrastructure to your movie making operation with no guarantee of a payoff. If WB or FOX decided to spinoff their superhero films into independents studios tomorrow, Zach Snyder and Simon Kinberg would be key decision makers. I don't think that would be worth the investment.

Marvel Studios works largely due to the unique talents of Feige, which is why Disney was willing to break up Marvel Entertainment against the objections of one of their leading shareholders. If he jumped ship for WB or FOX I have no doubt they would provide him with whatever resources he requested.

 

[Sithborg]

Is the word from the inside that they have a lot of confidence? I haven't heard that but I haven't been following the production very closely.

I would not be shocked if it is delayed in order to get the budget down. Also, Fox may be rethinking going all in on comic book movies. I mean, look at this year. Avengers may not even be in the top 3, in terms of box office. So three X movies in one year may be felt as too much, especially if they can't get the budget down.

Marvel Studio films get a boost from rep. Not the same with Fox.

Keep in mind, very few studios get reputation. Especially when you are looking at the bigger picture. Universal, WB, and Fox are just so big, with so many different types of movies, that to judge them on any single picture is kind of silly.

 

[Mike Murdock]

I think the reason why deadpool may work is pretty much because fox had no confidence in it for a long time so didn't really interfere with it and it wasn't until the leak footage when people reacted well to it that fox started to gain a little bit of faith in it to give it a try

I don't agree with that. Lack of confidence doesn't mean hands off. Lack of confidence means massive intervention. They don't expect huge results, of course, but there seems to be a lot of trust that they can pull off good returns for the budget. Otherwise, they wouldn't have let them make the movie R-rated.

 

[Eddie]

It's not that controversial of an idea. All signs point to Fox having no intention of actually making Deadpool until the test footage leaked. They didn't have much confidence in the project until fans basically let them know that the leaked footage was better than any X-film they officially released.

 

[Filmfreak]

It's not that controversial of an idea. All signs point to Fox having no intention of actually making Deadpool until the test footage leaked. They didn't have much confidence in the project until fans basically let them know that the leaked footage was better than any X-film they officially released.

I can understand that some fans confuse faithful adaptation with quality and for sure the footage brought so much positive reaction to the point that they decided to make the movie, but that is a serious overstatement.

 

[Duran Man]

The cards are really stacked against this thing.

 

[RomyFan]

So today I innocently come to this forum, after maybe 4 or 5 days of not being a round, and I find that hell has risen.
Oh God, the director thing makes me a little sad, not necessarily because of the director it had, but because it can cause delay. And that brings me to... OH GOD, when will they start filming? Will they? What about the budget? Who will be the director?
I DO want a Gambit movie, I do want it to be great, and I believe it can be so. I'm honestly just hoping they find a solution for all of this stuff. I mean, they'll start filming in Spring????? I was already counting down the days for filming to begin in November.
Well now I'm just whimpering about it. Now I'll go do the same in a corner of my room. I don't want to be pessimistic, in spite of what some people say here. I've been hopeful about this movie and about Channing since day 1, and... I hope I'm not wrong :-(

 

[Tymminator]

So today I innocently come to this forum, after maybe 4 or 5 days of not being a round, and I find that hell has risen.
Oh God, the director thing makes me a little sad, not necessarily because of the director it had, but because it can cause delay. And that brings me to... OH GOD, when will they start filming? Will they? What about the budget? Who will be the director?
I DO want a Gambit movie, I do want it to be great, and I believe it can be so. I'm honestly just hoping they find a solution for all of this stuff. I mean, they'll start filming in Spring????? I was already counting down the days for filming to begin in November.
Well now I'm just whimpering about it. Now I'll go do the same in a corner of my room. I don't want to be pessimistic, in spite of what some people say here. I've been hopeful about this movie and about Channing since day 1, and... I hope I'm not wrong :-(

Objectively speaking, don't panic quite yet if you are looking forward to this. It IS possible they get another director and it can turn out fine. Ant-man went through three and in the end, it did well and was overall well received by GenPop and the critics. So although this may not currently be the type of Gambit-news you want to hear, just hold on for a little bit and maybe you will get some good news in due time.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

They can turn it around, but it will probably be impossible for an October 2016 release date. It isn't happening if principle photography is next spring. It will have to be pushed back into 2017.