Sequels "Gambit" starring Channing Tatum? - Part 2

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Do you guys feel Gambit's gloves & deck of cards could become as iconic as Wolverine's claws? I feel they've got the potential.

 

[Kermit_The_Frog]

Not as iconic as the claws, but it could definitely be up there. The deck of cards moreso than the gloves.

 

[psylockolussus]

The cards should be an iconic symbol for Gambit to the mainstream audience.

 

[Mr. Youtube]

His voice and the cards I think. Just like Wolverine has the claws and the hair.

 

[katie_girl09]

Deadpool is one of the most popular Marvel characters out there and has been for about 5 years now...
While I'm looking forward to the Gambit film, Gambit has been irrelevant in X-Men films, pop culture and comic books for over 15 years. Which is why even his fans have not been enough to keep his comics going.

To be fair, it's important to note that the people who pay to watch these movies are not the same audience as the people who pay to read the comics. People on this site often fail to realize this. When the movie is made, it will be made to attract a new audience that does not care about comic books. The fact that Gambit has been marginalized in comics over the last several years is irrelevant to how successful this movie is going to be. If a character's success/popularity in comics was a basis for judging how successful their movie would be, then surely Iron Man and Ant-Man would have tanked.

What is relevant, I think, is the fact that people grew up watching the 90's TV series with Gambit in it. This gave the character a lot of exposure such that people who don't even read comics know who he is. Combine this with the thief/heist element of the character, Channing Tatum's (alleged) good looks, charm, etc. and there's no reason to think that this movie will not be just as successful as a Deadpool film - maybe even more so.

I can agree somewhat on the budget though. It doesn't need to be anywhere near $150M.

 

[def28]

I was more saying he is irrelevant in every type of modern pop culture format. Not just comics. I only mentioned comics to show how even his comic book fanbase (arguably the most loyal) has not been enough to keep his solo or team books around in the Marvel world. Barely anyone has cared about the guys role in X-Men tv and movies within the past decade as well. He's been nothing but a minor supporting character without impact which is a shame. Audiences already saw Gambit in a big budget film and nobody really talked about him. Deadpool got the attention with the decision to hire writers and make a film. Even though he got the worse treatment and Fox thought the audience interest would be the other way around since Gambit was popular in the 90s cartoon and comics.

While characters like Ant-Man, GOTG, Iron Man etc were completely new to audiences upon their first theatrical release Gambit really isn't. No doubt TAS gave him exposure like you said but it's been awhile. His appearance in Origins lowered his rep even more. The film is definitely gonna bank more on the actor and good marketing as many films do and I think the bottom line is until audiences see him in a good film nobody will care. It's a different situation imo then other characters from the 90s like Harley and Deadpool who have had a much more vocal fanbase and have kept their popularity increasing through various forms of modern media and merchandising.

I know this pisses off Gambit fans but I'd argue the biggest draw a Gambit film could bring for audiences, comic book fans or TAS fans is to put Rogue in it. It's a very marketable relationship and a huge reason the character gained popularity back in the 90s in the first place. As a fan of the character I don't want to see that right away and look forward to the guild rivalry along with Belladonna, but that's a relationship and pairing that will sell.

It's no surprise that Marvel themselves have been recently pairing those two up again with X-Men 92 and Uncanny Avengers after they tried breaking him away.

 

[Mr. Youtube]

Just imagine how great this movie would be, if Wes Anderson directed it.

 

[katie_girl09]

I was more saying he is irrelevant in every type of modern pop culture format. Not just comics. I only mentioned comics to show how even his comic book fanbase (arguably the most loyal) has not been enough to keep his solo or team books around in the Marvel world. Barely anyone has cared about the guys role in X-Men tv and movies within the past decade as well. He's been nothing but a minor supporting character without impact which is a shame. Audiences already saw Gambit in a big budget film and nobody really talked about him.

I think this may be your perception about Gambit, but I don't think it's the reality. Looking at movie message boards and even talking to people who saw XO:W, their main complaint about Gambit was that there wasn't enough of him. The fact that they complained about this would imply that they DO in fact care about Gambit's presence. If no one cared, then any amount of him would have been enough.

And with respect, I'm not sure why you think people don't care about seeing Gambit onscreen. He's always been one of the characters people have been asking for since the X-men movies first started coming out. Comic and movie fans alike. X-producers have acknowledged this on several occasions. But to zero in on the comics: Wizard Magazine did a survey before X2 asking which mutant people wanted to see the most. If I'm remembering it correctly, Gambit won with over 80% of the vote. I really don't agree that people don't talk about Gambit or care about seeing him onscreen.

Deadpool got the attention with the decision to hire writers and make a film. Even though he got the worse treatment and Fox thought the audience interest would be the other way around since Gambit was popular in the 90s cartoon and comics.

Where did you get the impression that they thought Gambit would be more popular? If I remember them correctly, they referred to both Gambit and Deadpool as "fan favourites" and vaguely talked about spin-off films for BOTH characters. And we always knew that the Deadpool film would be made. The Gambit film was completely up in the air. Again, the Gambit favouritism may have been your perception, but I don't think that was the reality of it at all.

While characters like Ant-Man, GOTG, Iron Man etc were completely new to audiences upon their first theatrical release Gambit really isn't. No doubt TAS gave him exposure like you said but it's been awhile. His appearance in Origins lowered his rep even more.

Dude, Gambit was in the movie for about 10 minutes total. It was more of a cameo appearance than an actual role in the movie. I think you're seriously overestimating how much of an impact it had on audiences (and thereby the impact it will have on this movie). Again, if there were complaints from the public, it was generally that there wasn't enough of him.

The film is definitely gonna bank more on the actor and good marketing as many films do and I think the bottom line is until audiences see him in a good film nobody will care. It's a different situation imo then other characters from the 90s like Harley and Deadpool who have had a much more vocal fanbase and have kept their popularity increasing through various forms of modern media and merchandising.

We can agree on that first point. It's going to bank on the actor, marketing and a good plot -- just like Iron Man did before it. That's not a bad thing. But I'd add that no one gave a rat's butt about Iron Man before the movie was made, then everyone loved him. Comics-wise, I think Gambit is more well-liked than Iron Man was before his movie. And Channing Tatum is a much bigger star than RDJ was before making Iron Man. I'm not saying that it WILL have the same effect, but I see no reason to assume that Gambit's film will have a different effect.

I know this pisses off Gambit fans but I'd argue the biggest draw a Gambit film could bring for audiences, comic book fans or TAS fans is to put Rogue in it. It's a very marketable relationship and a huge reason the character gained popularity back in the 90s in the first place. As a fan of the character I don't want to see that right away and look forward to the guild rivalry along with Belladonna, but that's a relationship and pairing that will sell.

It's no surprise that Marvel themselves have been recently pairing those two up again with X-Men 92 and Uncanny Avengers after they tried breaking him away.

I actually think that's the best way to sink this movie for the vast majority of people. Again, it's not helpful to think about the film through the lens of the comic book fandom. While the one-sided romance was a running gag in TAS, I think the things non-comic fans most remember about Gambit in that show are the cards, the accent and how cool he was.

Seriously, if they could make Ant-Man commercially viable, I see absolutely no reason why they can't do the same with Gambit. ESPECIALLY with Channing Tatum as its star. They arguably have far more to work with because Gambit as a character would translate far more compellingly onscreen (no offence to Ant-Man fans). I think the people worried about whether Gambit can carry a film are thinking too narrowly and along the lines of comic book success. We know now that this has nothing to do with the success of a movie starring that character.

 

[def28]

Oh I completely agree that Gambit could be a valuable property. I've been arguing that with people for awhile myself, especially on these boards. I think we are on the same page here. I just completely disagree with those who think his modern popularity is the equivalent to what it was in the 90s or right before Origins came out. It's sank considerably. I see no proof otherwise.

Where did you get the impression that they thought Gambit would be more popular? If I remember them correctly, they referred to both Gambit and Deadpool as "fan favourites" and vaguely talked about spin-off films for BOTH characters. And we always knew that the Deadpool film would be made. The Gambit film was completely up in the air. Again, the Gambit favouritism may have been your perception, but I don't think that was the reality of it at all.

There were a few interviews and different things that alluded to this. One I remembered was at a con where Lifeld was talking about what the studio was thinking during Origins and he flat out said that execs told him Gambit was the one to focus on not Deadpool. In general those execs had no idea what was going on with X-Men characters at all. That movie is flat out a mess. But it's no surprise they wanted to focus more on Gambit since fans and audiences were begging for him in X2 and X3. They were def aware of that, so they shoehorned him in. He was the most sought after addition in X-Men for quite sometime as you mentioned. Until 2010. Origins kinda killed the hype to see him on screen again. Now I'm not saying for everyone, but that extremely strong demand that was once there for the OT is not anymore.

Deadpool was butchered left and right because Fox had no idea what kind of fanbase he had. He was left for dead in the film until the leaked information came through imdd followed by confirmation of the action figure and fans raged. Originally the villain in Origins was cloned Sabertooth but they wanted someone else who could be more powerful. The fan support along with Ryan Reynolds dedication of Deadpool really has been whats saved the character, not so much Fox's knowledge on how liked the character was. They were pretty clearly clueless on alot of things back then. The backlash is what brought Deadpool's popularity into frame.

Dude, Gambit was in the movie for about 10 minutes total. It was more of a cameo appearance than an actual role in the movie. I think you're seriously overestimating how much of an impact it had on audiences (and thereby the impact it will have on this movie). Again, if there were complaints from the public, it was generally that there wasn't enough of him.

So did Quicksilver but audiences reacted and he got another role. Plenty of X-Men get minimal screen time, Gambit probably had more dialogue and action then Cyclops did in X2 and X3. Again, I really think Gambit's role in origins is what cut off the hype for seeing him on screen. I just don't see many asking for the film or to see him in an X-Men movie like they were during X2 and 3. That mixed with his lack of anything current in forms of media or comics has hurt the character quite a bit.

I actually thought Kitsch did a decent job myself and wanted to see him get another chance but I don't think that is or was the popular opinion.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

FoX just needs to market it properly maybe guerilla style at first like Deadpool and Tatum needs to nail the accent and the interest will pick up.

 

[Serpico Jones]

Doug Liman is in final negotiations to direct according to the Hollywood Reporter.

 

[Zarex]

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/channing-tatums-gambit-finds-new-828590

Doug Liman is directing.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

So they have someone. I still wonder if that October date is still happening.

 

[Ryan1210]

Haha I'm running in here to post the news. Hope we'll get the official annoucement soon.

 

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

That's a great hire for this film.

 

[def28]

Nice

Liman is a fantastic choice.

 

[marvelrobbins]

So they have someone. I still wonder if that October date is still happening.

I say it's almost impossible to meet the october release date since filming was pushed back to march.I think fall 2017 Is likely release date for gambit inless
filming begins in january or february

Doug Liman was the best choice so I am happy with it.

 

[JP]

Cool.

 

[Scarlet Spider]

So they were able to land Liman after all? Nice. That's a major coup for them.

Either way, they should still push this back to 2017. Between Deadpool and Apocalypse, they already have a strong line-up for next year. They don't need a third film.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

2017

Old Man Logan
Gambit

2018

New Mutants
Deadpool & Cable

2019

X-Men: Enter Subtitle Here
Mystique or Magneto or Gambit II

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I say it's almost impossible to meet the october release date since filming was pushed back to march.I think fall 2017 Is likely release date for gambit inless
filming begins in january or february

Doug Liman was the best choice so I am happy with it.

Yeah maybe they will announce a release date change next year or something.

I think Liman is a solid choice, better choice that Wyatt even.

 

[mclay18]

Liman is a great choice. Really enjoyed Mr. and Mrs. Smith and Edge of Tomorrow.

Would be more optimistic if Tatum wasn't Remy...

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I don't dislike Tatum and I'll give him a chance but I'm not completely feeling his casting either. Feels like this isn't his role. I would love, love, love to be proven wrong though. I always want to be proven wrong about these things.

 

[Kermit_The_Frog]

Nice! Liman's a great choice.

 

[StarLord]

Doug Liman. Nice!