Sequels "Gambit" starring Channing Tatum? - Part 1

[Sithborg]

Don't underestimate some people's... "attachment" to the original trilogy cast.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I didn't think she was going to be in the film either. I don't get how her not being in it is news.

Some fans were pushing/hoping for her to be in it. I never thought she'd be in it myself either.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I get that but movie Rogue is so vastly different that the relationship wouldn't even be the same.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I get that but movie Rogue is so vastly different that the relationship wouldn't even be the same.

Maybe they were hoping the pseudo-reboot of DOFP would allow for that to be changed. I have no idea. I certainly wasn't advocating for it.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Maybe they were hoping the pseudo-reboot of DOFP would allow for that to be changed. I have no idea. I certainly wasn't advocating for it.

Maybe.

I'm not asking for a caricature or for the character to be exactly like her comic book counterpart I just believe that the character could have grown more and become more assertive in the films. Unfortunately that only happened a very little bit. Gambit would be doing nothing but saving her in the movieverse.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I'm not asking for some slavish representation of the source either. But I do want a strong, developed character, which I have never gotten. Rogue has been in four films now, and she's always been the same weak damsel and has been a complete afterthought since the first.

 

[GuestStar2004]

There were a lot of people assuming she would be in it purely because of gambit but let's be honest it doesn't work that way

 

[Mr. Youtube]

The problem is, that we all know that this Gambit movie is going to be about the Assassins Guild. If you want a story Rogue faithful to the comics, well you have to stay faithful in all respects and as such, she just doesn't fit into the Assassins Guild.

 

[Majik1387]

Well, she entirely can, what with there being a new timeline.

 

[Mike Murdock]

There were a lot of people assuming she would be in it purely because of gambit but let's be honest it doesn't work that way

Yeah, this is a Gambit movie, not a Gambit and Rogue movie. If she doesn't serve the plot, she'd be a distraction.

 

[Knight_SV]

Fox throw jubilee's background and personality on paquin's rogue actually

 

[SuperT]

....what? Rogue's background in the original X-Men was pretty close to her actual background in the comics.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

....what? Rogue's background in the original X-Men was pretty close to her actual background in the comics.

Not really. Movie Rogue has no relation to Mystique or Destiny, was never in the Brotherhood, never absorbed the powers of Ms. Marvel, etc. These are major aspects of her background.

That doesn't really bother me as much as her personality being altered though. She doesn't resemble the comic book character at all. She's just way too weak and timid in all aspects. Beyond not being a good representation of the comics, it just isn't a very compelling character.

These are the main roles for Rogue during her four appearances:

X-Men 1 - Getting captured by the main villain and having to be rescued by the rest of the team.
X2 - Having to stay back on the Blackbird like a child while the rest of the team gets to save the world.
X3 - Walking out on the team like a coward right before the crucial battle with Magneto.
DOFP - Getting captured by the villains and having to be rescued again.

Great job, Rogue. Even Colossus did more than that and he's got like three lines in the entire series.

 

[x-er]

Rogue did neutralize Pyro in X2 and get the jet to the team before the dam fell apart. That was progress. On top of that, X3 was meant to have a major Rogue arc (and a Cyke arc!) but Singer's plans fell apart, on top of Paquin being busy with True Blood. She's not really in DOFP (officially).

And, finally, DOFP was crafted by Singer to erase the errors of X3, as well as create a new timeline full of new possibilities and one of those possibilities is X5. The book is still open and it's neither denied nor confirmed. Simply a possibility.

 

[Mr. Youtube]

Not really. Movie Rogue has no relation to Mystique or Destiny, was never in the Brotherhood, never absorbed the powers of Ms. Marvel, etc. These are major aspects of her background.

That doesn't really bother me as much as her personality being altered though. She doesn't resemble the comic book character at all. She's just way too weak and timid in all aspects. Beyond not being a good representation of the comics, it just isn't a very compelling character.

These are the main roles for Rogue during her four appearances:

X-Men 1 - Getting captured by the main villain and having to be rescued by the rest of the team.
X2 - Having to stay back on the Blackbird like a child while the rest of the team gets to save the world.
X3 - Walking out on the team like a coward right before the crucial battle with Magneto.
DOFP - Getting captured by the villains and having to be rescued again.

Great job, Rogue. Even Colossus did more than that and he's got like three lines in the entire series.

She was a child.

 

[TeeKay]

It begins...

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/high-anxiety-hollywood-mega-movies-828200

 

[MadVillainy]

Im not surprised that this rumor has started.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

She was a child.

She was at least late teens. And even if she was a little kid, it wouldn't change the fact that her character is completely useless in the films.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Rogue was used to explore the idea of someone who couldn't touch anyone without hurting them, she wasn't really there to fly, have super strength or to use her powers to kick ass

 

[x-er]

she was meant to eventually fly, punch, freeze, shoot, read minds, manipulate metal, everything, though. She was the wild card for the team.

 

[Mr. Youtube]

She was at least late teens. And even if she was a little kid, it wouldn't change the fact that her character is completely useless in the films.

A child.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

A child.

Late teens is not a child. Eighteen is a legal adult.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Rogue was used to explore the idea of someone who couldn't touch anyone without hurting them, she wasn't really there to fly, have super strength or to use her powers to kick ass

They could do that without making her a useless damsel-in-distress for four movies. She doesn't even necessarily need the Ms. Marvel powers to be an important member of the team, as we saw in X-Men Evolution.

I'm not sure what their problem is with Rogue in particular. Now granted, there is a lack of attention paid to the supporting cast in these films in general, but at least the other characters get to do something even if it isn't much. That includes the other younger characters around Rogue's age, like Iceman, Colossus, Shadowcat, Havok, Banshee, Quicksilver, etc. But Rogue is so irrelevant that they were even able to cut her out of DOFP pretty much entirely without affecting the film in any meaningful way.

 

[Majik1387]

There wasn't a problem with Rogue in any of the movies other than her accepting the cure.

 

[x-er]

Late teens is not a child. Eighteen is a legal adult.

Yeah, but the older you are, the more you see teens and twenty-year-olds as kids. So I'm guessing you're on the younger side

I'm not sure what their problem is with Rogue in particular... But Rogue is so irrelevant that they were even able to cut her out of DOFP pretty much entirely without affecting the film in any meaningful way.

It's nothing against her. She was just unlucky enough to get stuck in that role because of X3. And DOFP didn't break any expectations with her because (1) they had only 1 week to film something with Paquin and (2) it follows up on X3 (as it should) and it exaggerates X3's horrors by making Rogue one of the greyest, bitterest mutant ever.

And I don't mean to nag about her, but she's mentioned in almost every thread on the x-forum. She's constantly in the Apocalypse sub-forum when fans already know Rogue doesn't exist in that decade. Fox needs to act ASAP now that the story's being retold.