Game of Thrones - Book Readers' Thread - Part 18

[fixxxer]

Just a couple of general points to add regarding the current ongoing debate...

* I'm not sure how anyone can argue that that the happenings in King's Landing are focused on to the detriment of a lot of other storylines? How is this not D&D playing favorites? Yes, the events of King's Landing, in many ways, are the central impetus for the plot, but as the books have progressed, it's obvious that there are other storylines that are equally important, if not more so. Dorne seems to be D&D's upcoming "pet" storyline, and the Ironborn are nowhere in sight.

* In terms of artistic vision, I trust GRRM's much more than I do D&D's. Almost every one of the show's triumphs are rooted in the books. On the other hand, whenever they've veered off course, it's almost always come off as tacky and forced. I'm thinking Jon's senseless Mission Craster's Keep. Painting the Wildlings (or a sizable portion of them) as one note EVIL VILLAIN CANNIBALS *RAARRGGH*. The entire point of the ****ing "Wildlings" is that they're just people. I can go on. While they've pulled off a few departures from the source quite nicely, more often than not, when they veer blatantly off-book, it's been somewhat senseless.

* The eventual payoffs of ASOIAF will almost certainly be heavily paralleled and enriched by the history of Planetos, events prior to the series, proper. The Blackfyre Rebellions, the Dance, (somewhat centrally) Rhaegar and dozens of other events, aspects and peoples. D&D have done a piss poor job of putting events in context. Of providing the historical subtext behind the events of the show. While talking to some of my show-watcher-only friends, they often wonder whether I'm even talking about the same thing. For example, most don't even know who Rhaegar Targaryen is, and this is almost unforgivable.

As a caveat, as much as I've *****ed about departures from the books, I still find GOT almost uniformly excellent. I mean, by the time it winds up, it will undoubtedly go into my personal "Greatest Shows Of All Time" pantheon. However, the missed opportunities are there and are quite blatant to anyone who's read the books.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

She's interesting I'll grant you, (though heavily whitewashed) But if they're really going to streamline things then they're better off cut out out things that simply repeat what we already know. We know she's a stupid, psychopathic woman who loves one brother and despises the other. We know all that, and the point has been heavily underlined. The prophecy? Why is that more important to see than any of the others that have been in the books that have been cut? Hell, we didn't even get the Song of Ice and Fire and the whole series was named for that, it wouldn't have spoiled much of anything either. Not when the rest of the evidence about that character's identity hasn't been even hinted at. Is Cersei's childhood really more important?

I don't get why you keep on saying more important. You act like she has tons of screentime, and everyone else is a cardboard cut out. I like the prophecies, but they clearly decided to avoid the vast majority, which is their decision. I don't agree with it, but it hasn't harmed the show in anyway really. All it does is avoid some pretty obvious foreshadowing. Same with the visions, dreams and flashbacks, which is exactly why they are avoiding them. If that bothers you that much, wouldn't you have jumped off after the second season?

Yes, Stannis' one scene with Shireen was brilliant. Great one scene from 2 seasons ago. Stannis isn't a protagonist, but for what's coming he's quite important to what happens in the North, and by extension, Westeros. He's a significant figure that has barely been given a character.

Jon is important to what happens in the North. Sansa and Bran are important to what happens in the North. Do you expect Stannis to be standing against the Others? I think he is going to be dead long before that.

As for other important characters? Well this season coming up should be more about Theon than it should Cersei. He gets a more defined character arc and one that was better written and more compelling. He deserves to be a central figure this season, more so than Cersei. Though you can deny that all you want, your milage will undoubtedly vary.

Are you expecting Theon to disappear? There is only so many times he can he tortured. They kept his sister around, he'll get his time. They actually made sure to string out his story.

That being said, he isn't in the top fice important characters this or any season. He isn't Jon, Arya, Dany, Bran, Tyrion, Jaime or Cersei. Heck what is Reek's importance past his devolution?

Oberyn a sexposition driven character? No. What made him appealing was that he came into the season right after the Lannisters had all but won and served as a cathartic figure throwing open defiance in their faces and trying to seek justice for an act of unspeakable cruelty. He was amazing because he wasn't frightened by anything and yet also very sympathetic in his fearlessness.

But that doesn't change the fact that he assumed Littlefinger's role of keeping up the show's quota of nudity (which Neil Marshall has stated the show actually has). Oberyn had a great story behind him, the Sand Snakes do not. They're essentially attractive female versions of Oberyn that repeat his revenge quest in a less interesting way. Their inclusion screams fan service and little else.

All HBO and Showtime shows have nudity quotas. They are cable channels. Nothing wrong with that. People have sex. Sometimes they even talk during and after.

And you have no idea what they are doing with the Sand Snakes. Especially considering they moved Jaime and Bronn there.

 

[fixxxer]

Indeed. I think they even say that Illyrio's wife looked a lot like Daenerys, which could be the identity of fAegon's Blackfyre mother.

Yup. With the "statue" and everything else, I think that's highly likely. My only point of confusion was that I previously mistakenly thought Illyrio's wife might have been a descendant of Shiera rather than a female line descendant of Daemon.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Just a couple of general points to add regarding the current ongoing debate...

* I'm not sure how anyone can argue that that the happenings in King's Landing are focused on to the detriment of a lot of other storylines? How is this not D&D playing favorites? Yes, the events of King's Landing, in many ways, are the central impetus for the plot, but as the books have progressed, it's obvious that there are other storylines that are equally important, if not more so. Dorne seems to be D&D's upcoming "pet" storyline, and the Ironborn are nowhere in sight.

* In terms of artistic vision, I trust GRRM's much more than I do D&D's. Almost every one of the show's triumphs are rooted in the books. On the other hand, whenever they've veered off course, it's almost always come off as tacky and forced. I'm thinking Jon's senseless Mission Craster's Keep. Painting the Wildlings (or a sizable portion of them) as one note EVIL VILLAIN CANNIBALS *RAARRGGH*. The entire point of the ****ing "Wildlings" is that they're just people. I can go on. While they've pulled off a few departures from the source quite nicely, more often than not, when they veer blatantly off-book, it's been somewhat senseless.

* The eventual payoffs of ASOIAF will almost certainly be heavily paralleled and enriched by the history of Planetos, events prior to the series, proper. The Blackfyre Rebellions, the Dance, (somewhat centrally) Rhaegar and dozens of other events, aspects and peoples. D&D have done a piss poor job of putting events in context. Of providing the historical subtext behind the events of the show. While talking to some of my show-watcher-only friends, they often wonder whether I'm even talking about the same thing. For example, most don't even know who Rhaegar Targaryen is, and this is almost unforgivable.

As a caveat, as much as I've *****ed about departures from the books, I still find GOT almost uniformly excellent. I mean, by the time it winds up, it will undoubtedly go into my personal "Greatest Shows Of All Time" pantheon. However, the missed opportunities are there and are quite blatant to anyone who's read the books.

Do you honestly expect them name drop Rhaegar every season like they are on a mission? Wouldn't that be insanely obvious? The closer we get to finding how who Jon's parents are, I expect a bit more talk.

 

[Roose Bolton]

I don't get why you keep on saying more important. You act like she has tons of screentime, and everyone else is a cardboard cut out. I like the prophecies, but they clearly decided to avoid the vast majority, which is their decision. I don't agree with it, but it hasn't harmed the show in anyway really. All it does is avoid some pretty obvious foreshadowing. Same with the visions, dreams and flashbacks, which is exactly why they are avoiding them. If that bothers you that much, wouldn't you have jumped off after the second season?


Jon is important to what happens in the North. Sansa and Bran are important to what happens in the North. Do you expect Stannis to be standing against the Others? I think he is going to be dead long before that.


Are you expecting Theon to disappear? There is only so many times he can he tortured. They kept his sister around, he'll get his time. They actually made sure to string out his story.

That being said, he isn't in the top fice important characters this or any season. He isn't Jon, Arya, Dany, Bran, Tyrion, Jaime or Cersei. Heck what is Reek's importance past his devolution?


All HBO and Showtime shows have nudity quotas. They are cable channels. Nothing wrong with that. People have sex. Sometimes they even talk during and after.

And you have no idea what they are doing with the Sand Snakes. Especially considering they moved Jaime and Bronn there.

1)I'm not arguing about the lack of Prophecies, I'm arguing that the sole one they've included is unneeded, and that given that we have to start wrapping things up, a daft choice.

2)He'll play a major part in getting rid of the Boltons and the Freys, that much at least is important to what happens to the North. As for the Others, well I have my own opinion on how Stannis meets his end, which admittedly isnt during the final battle. Regardless of how he meets his end, he's still helped pick the Lords of the North back up after the Red Wedding and has started open dissent against the current villains occupying it. He's important.

3)You assume that, but GRRM has gone on record saying he originally wanted Davos and Theon to have POV chapters in AGOT but took them out because he didn't want to add to the introductory novel's length. They're core characters, whether you like it or not I'd also say, he was a top 5 season 2/book 2 and that his role in ADWD has the potential to be most cathartic of the season if they depict it properly.

4)I don't have a problem with sex scenes. The ones in season 1 were actually very informative and useful in gaining insights into characters mindset. Viserys and Doreah in particular was great. But more often than not it serves no real purpose, and in some cases, like with Loras Tyrell, it takes away a unique element. It's overdone, and again, takes away screen time that could be better served elsewhere.

5) I know enough about the books and have followed the production closely enough to take a few educated guesses. If I'm proven wrong, great. If I'm not then it changes nothing.

6) Your general disapproval of where the series is at clearly paints your view on how the show is a much better story, I dissagree on a fundamental level. I don't believe GRRM has lost his talent, I don't believe that the series is a complete mess, and I don't believe that this show works because of D&D's talent. I believe they're average writers who happen to work better in the production side of things, and I believe that so far what has given this show is critical acclaim and success is GRRM's story, and how faithful D&D have stuck to it.


I watch this show because for the last 4 seasons I've had some of my favorite literary moments and characters brought to life in a visual medium. Sometimes they're truly amazing, like Ygritte's death, other times I'm incredibly disappointed by stupid decisions and poor acting/writing. I still continue to watch because despite all the show's issues, I have hope that at least some of my favorite moments not yet adapted will be brought to life with a modicum of respect and care, and because to me some of these performances are the best I've seen on Tv. I like the show, but it's a flawed adaptation and that's brought it down for me.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Yup. With the "statue" and everything else, I think that's highly likely. My only point of confusion was that I previously mistakenly thought Illyrio's wife might have been a descendant of Shiera rather than a female line descendant of Daemon.

Oh I see. Well for what it's worth I have a somewhat crazy theory that Quaithe is Shiera

Just a couple of general points to add regarding the current ongoing debate...

* I'm not sure how anyone can argue that that the happenings in King's Landing are focused on to the detriment of a lot of other storylines? How is this not D&D playing favorites? Yes, the events of King's Landing, in many ways, are the central impetus for the plot, but as the books have progressed, it's obvious that there are other storylines that are equally important, if not more so. Dorne seems to be D&D's upcoming "pet" storyline, and the Ironborn are nowhere in sight.

* In terms of artistic vision, I trust GRRM's much more than I do D&D's. Almost every one of the show's triumphs are rooted in the books. On the other hand, whenever they've veered off course, it's almost always come off as tacky and forced. I'm thinking Jon's senseless Mission Craster's Keep. Painting the Wildlings (or a sizable portion of them) as one note EVIL VILLAIN CANNIBALS *RAARRGGH*. The entire point of the ****ing "Wildlings" is that they're just people. I can go on. While they've pulled off a few departures from the source quite nicely, more often than not, when they veer blatantly off-book, it's been somewhat senseless.

* The eventual payoffs of ASOIAF will almost certainly be heavily paralleled and enriched by the history of Planetos, events prior to the series, proper. The Blackfyre Rebellions, the Dance, (somewhat centrally) Rhaegar and dozens of other events, aspects and peoples. D&D have done a piss poor job of putting events in context. Of providing the historical subtext behind the events of the show. While talking to some of my show-watcher-only friends, they often wonder whether I'm even talking about the same thing. For example, most don't even know who Rhaegar Targaryen is, and this is almost unforgivable.

As a caveat, as much as I've *****ed about departures from the books, I still find GOT almost uniformly excellent. I mean, by the time it winds up, it will undoubtedly go into my personal "Greatest Shows Of All Time" pantheon. However, the missed opportunities are there and are quite blatant to anyone who's read the books.

Well said

 

[fixxxer]

Do you honestly expect them name drop Rhaegar every season like they are on a mission? Wouldn't that be insanely obvious? The closer we get to finding how who Jon's parents are, I expect a bit more talk.

Is Cercei/Maggie The Frog the most important historical artifact and prophecy that begs exploration? From the perspective of the books, does it break the top 100?

Why not seed Robert's Rebellion and bits and pieces of Targ history throughout the course of the show's first four seasons? Now, they have no option than to make the 6th and 7th seasons extremely flashback heavy which could easily derail the forward momentum of the plot. And if they completely eschew or highly compress the purport of Westeros/Essos' history, wouldn't it be a big time cop-out both thematically and emotionally? I'm questioning the decision making process here.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Is Cercei/Maggie The Frog the most important historical artifact and prophecy that begs exploration? From the perspective of the books, does it break the top 100?

Why not seed Robert's Rebellion and bits and pieces of Targ history throughout the course of the show's first four seasons? Now, they have no option than to make the 6th and 7th seasons extremely flashback heavy which could easily derail the forward momentum of the plot. And if they completely eschew or highly compress the purport of Westeros/Essos' history, wouldn't it be a big time cop-out both thematically and emotionally? I'm questioning the decision making process here.

You do realize they mentioned Rhaegar and Lyanna in the very first episode right? In fact Robert was giving it big time.

I think too much history, artifact and prophecy is exactly how you lose your audience. Exposition can be the death of pacing and story. They touch on the past when they need to. They included Bloodraven. They included Maester Aemon. Viserys got shagged in the bath while talking about the dragons of old. They spent a lot of time on the Mad King. They call Jaime Kingslayer and included his heart wrenching retelling. Tyrion talked of his great love. How about Sansa and Littlefinger at the tournament? Bran and his stories? Mel is all about the flavor, as are others who speak on the religions. They do it all the time. We know the histories of the families and the characters. They even included the histories on the blu rays. How much time do you expect them to spend on this kind of stuff on television show?

And do they need flashbacks? One, it is not economical, two it bogs down pace, and three they deliver the information more efficiently with the various conversations between characters.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

1)I'm not arguing about the lack of Prophecies, I'm arguing that the sole one they've included is unneeded, and that given that we have to start wrapping things up, a daft choice.

Fine you don't like it. You can view it as unneeded, but they clearly aren't taking away from anything else, so why does it matter?

2)He'll play a major part in getting rid of the Boltons and the Freys, that much at least is important to what happens to the North. As for the Others, well I have my own opinion on how Stannis meets his end, which admittedly isnt during the final battle. Regardless of how he meets his end, he's still helped pick the Lords of the North back up after the Red Wedding and has started open dissent against the current villains occupying it. He's important.

Assumed. Considering the current situation, I have no idea what is going to happen with Stannis.

But even if you consider that important, where does that rank in terms of importance in the overall story or the show? Does he even rank in the top 10? He won't unite the North. That will be a Stark. So what is his real importance?

3)You assume that, but GRRM has gone on record saying he originally wanted Davos and Theon to have POV chapters in AGOT but took them out because he didn't want to add to the introductory novel's length. They're core characters, whether you like it or not I'd also say, he was a top 5 season 2/book 2 and that his role in ADWD has the potential to be most cathartic of the season if they depict it properly.

Theon was great in season 2. He didn't crack the top 5 in terms of importance. He isn't a Stark, he isn't Dany, his isn't a Lannister. And as I said I like Theon's story, but not many are going to find comfort in him or his story. It isn't cathartic.

4)I don't have a problem with sex scenes. The ones in season 1 were actually very informative and useful in gaining insights into characters mindset. Viserys and Doreah in particular was great. But more often than not it serves no real purpose, and in some cases, like with Loras Tyrell, it takes away a unique element. It's overdone, and again, takes away screen time that could be better served elsewhere.

Which ones serve no real purpose? It should be quite easy to name some if they happen most often. And if your honest answer is a bunch of scenes were legit info in terms of story or character, then please stop. Who cares if they are having sex, if the information is being delivered?

5) I know enough about the books and have followed the production closely enough to take a few educated guesses. If I'm proven wrong, great. If I'm not then it changes nothing.

I have a feeling that even if it rocks, you are going to complain. t:

6) Your general disapproval of where the series is at clearly paints your view on how the show is a much better story, I dissagree on a fundamental level. I don't believe GRRM has lost his talent, I don't believe that the series is a complete mess, and I don't believe that this show works because of D&D's talent. I believe they're average writers who happen to work better in the production side of things, and I believe that so far what has given this show is critical acclaim and success is GRRM's story, and how faithful D&D have stuck to it.

I don't think GRRM lost his talent. I think he simply went Peter Jackson. I think he no longer has any pressure and doesn't know what to write. It took his 11 years to write one novel, that he split into two, that ended up with very little actual progress. He wrote the first 3 novels in what, 7 years? Come on now.

I watch this show because for the last 4 seasons I've had some of my favorite literary moments and characters brought to life in a visual medium. Sometimes they're truly amazing, like Ygritte's death, other times I'm incredibly disappointed by stupid decisions and poor acting/writing. I still continue to watch because despite all the show's issues, I have hope that at least some of my favorite moments not yet adapted will be brought to life with a modicum of respect and care, and because to me some of these performances are the best I've seen on Tv. I like the show, but it's a flawed adaptation and that's brought it down for me.

This sounds like a very painful way to watch television.

 

[Victarion]

Nothing much of interest on last night's A Day in the Life special. The only notable bits were that Cersei goes looking for the High Sparrow in episode three and finds him working in a soup kitchen for the poor, and a shot of Kit at Hardhome looking up at something off camera with a "what the hell is that?" look on his face.

 

[Lord]

I actualy think they didn't make a very good job at explaining the past of the main story, the prophecies or certain characters from the past that will most likely end up having importancy in present events (Rhaegar). If it wasn't for the wikia and later reading the books, i would have no real idea about all of those stories, i do see some show-only fans who don't remember any of these plotlines.

A flashback's problem would mostly be the cost, not the pacing, Penny Dreadful for example did a dream-like flashback episode that was amazing and very well executed, i don't see how something like that to show a bit of Robert's rebellion or other important events would be a bad thing.

 

[Marvolo]

Did y'all watch "A Day in the Life"? One of the producers said that most of episodes 1&2's shooting took place in Croatia. That is the location for Mereen and the lands across the narrow sea.

 

[ЯɘvlveR]

tv show ******** fan fic for you guys i just pulled out of my ass.


stannis wins the battle of winterfell and finds the horn of joramun in the crypts

melly mel sacrifices shireen to resurrect jon and fails.

doran/trystan/dorne conquer the stormlands and the crownlands.

trystane marries margaery.

dany, tyrion, jorah etc arrive on dragonstone and send out ravens ala aegon the conqueror.

the martells and tyrells get their **** pushed in by dragonfire.

dany gives the tarly's the reach.


stannis killing mel and everyone bailing stannis after receiving danys raven

brienne kills jamie.

arya disguised as tyrion and cersei kill each other.

daario getting quentyn'd after trying to steal a dragon, after dany denied him marriage when he revealed that the iron islands were hers as well.

sansa throws littlefinger throws the moondoor.

howland and LSH arrive at winterfell, and seeing rickon for the first time lsh cries.

Jon dreams that crypt dream, and ned tells him of lyanna.

lsh gives jon the kiss, Jon corn stargaryen rises, goes to his mother's tomb and balls like a baby.

howland read, tells him of his birthright hidden behind lyanna's tomb.

dark sister, a dragon egg, rhaegar's harp, Aegon I's crown, a wedding cloak, a dvd of the second season of chips, and targ signet ring that belong to rhaegar.

Jon sees theon for the first time a shell of his former self all hunched over, and jon gives him a starburst.

stannis blows the horn of joramun at the wall, bringing the wall down, as well as waking the ice dragon from the wall.

the night's king ice ice baby's stannis for bringing the wall down

winterfell starts to shake so the party in winterfell flees.

as the others and their massive army make their way south, they leave winterfell unscathed (they're going south to avenge the starks)

bran skinchanges into the icedragon.

brandragon brings meera and hodor to winterfell. after he descends, brandragon starts acting like clifford the big red dog when he sees jon and rickon.

as a warg, Jon recognizes brandragon. they know that they both have to march south.

rickon is ready to rock and roll, but jon's like "nah bro, their must always be a stark in winterfell." and rickon is like "what the **** man, you guy never take me anywhere" Jon's like "alright, you're unicorn might come in handy."

suddenly, winterfell falls, and the kings of winter rise from the ruins.

Dany and the resteros march north. at the trident, they meet stannis and the nights king.

**** hits the fan.

the whitewalkers start ****ing up the human army, turning them into wights, the dragons burn whitewalkers left and right. it's safe to say that westeros will be significantly depopulated when it's all said and done.

Jon, Brandragon, howland, ghost, lord piggy, rickon, theon and yara and a host of the kings of the north ala aragorn's army of the dead head south.

dany and tyrion on drogon and viserion respectively, are burning everything and everyone till a whitewalker launches a weirdwood spear and brings down rhaegal.

stannis gets on it, and goes at it with dany and drogon.

Jon, Brandragon, the kings of winter etc, arrive and start pawnin' whatever ass is left.

Jon, brandragon fight tyrion and viserion. Jon tries to reason with tyrion but tyrion found out were ****es go and he hasn't been the same since.

brandragon freezes the **** outta viserion who crashes having difficulty flapping it's wings and shatters on the ground.

the kings of winter (their wights too, but good ones) go at it with the wights (the whitewalkers are just about done) that are left (basically a gigantic skeleton fight. **** would probably sound like a massive concert of xylophones having sex)

drogon turns wight stannis, wight rhaegal into ashes.

as jon and dany face off, dany starts getting jealous of all that targ **** jon got and starts asking him questions while drogon start sparking up.

from the ground, tyrion, rickon, Jorah, sansa, theon, yara, see the song of ice and fire.


Jon tells dany that he is Jon, true born son of Lyanna stark and rhaegar Targaryen.

dany turns into mad queen and loses her ****, calling him a usurper. the dragons lay waste to each other and both fall. Jon starts to worry about brandragon and forgets about dany and tells bran that he will search for him in the north.

dany tells jorah to kill Jon, and just before he's about to stab jon ghost jumps in the way and jorah kills ghost instead.

jon loses his ****, and whips out dark sister. two former wielders of longclaw duel and jon tells jorah about his father. jorah doesn't give a **** cause he wants thar dany punani.

Jon kills Jorah the way that ned intended.

howland tells dany and everyone present who jon is. and seeing him with all that targaryen **** on everyone's like "cool lets all kneel."

tyrion's like "holy **** really? how'd i not figure that one out? ayo dany, he totally is your nephew."

so they have shawarma, when sansa shows up and everyone's like where ya been?



a little time after that Jon and rickon go north and find bran. they talk about rebuilding the wall and jon's like nah. we don't need it anymore.


King Jon and Queen daenerys are married and live happily ever after.

sansa ends up married to howland reed's heir (if meera and jojen were his only heirs he's ****ing crazy)

tyrion goes on a quest to find tysha.

the end.

 

[Marvolo]

Spoiler

Oh and Jon actually leads the mission to Hardhome!!!

Thats a major change from the book.

 

[Victarion]

I'm guessing that fenced-in village from the trailers, we see it once where a wildling appears to be peering in at something between the fence's logs and again with some men standing guard at the top, is Hardhome?

Also, looks like there's a giant at Hardhome in some of the concept art.

 

[Marvolo]

I'm guessing that fenced-in village from the trailers, we see it once where a wildling appears to be peering in at something between the fence's logs and again with some men standing guard at the top, is Hardhome?

Also, looks like there's a giant at Hardhome in some of the concept art.

Yep that's the set of Hardhome.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Nothing much of interest on last night's A Day in the Life special. The only notable bits were that Cersei goes looking for the High Sparrow in episode three and finds him working in a soup kitchen for the poor, and a shot of Kit at Hardhome looking up at something off camera with a "what the hell is that?" look on his face.

Has to be a giant, no? Considering we saw what it takes to take one down, that could be a horrible situation one on one on an open battlefield.

 

[Marvolo]

Has to be a giant, no? Considering we saw what it takes to take one down, that could be a horrible situation one on one on an open battlefield.

Is it possible that John sees the

Spoiler

Night's King and his army syanding on the cliff overlooking Hardhome? Or do you reckon that scene happens after Jon and them have headed back to the Wall? If Jon gets a glimpse of the Night's King he'll probably **** his breeches.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Fine you don't like it. You can view it as unneeded, but they clearly aren't taking away from anything else, so why does it matter?


Assumed. Considering the current situation, I have no idea what is going to happen with Stannis.

But even if you consider that important, where does that rank in terms of importance in the overall story or the show? Does he even rank in the top 10? He won't unite the North. That will be a Stark. So what is his real importance?


Theon was great in season 2. He didn't crack the top 5 in terms of importance. He isn't a Stark, he isn't Dany, his isn't a Lannister. And as I said I like Theon's story, but not many are going to find comfort in him or his story. It isn't cathartic.


Which ones serve no real purpose? It should be quite easy to name some if they happen most often. And if your honest answer is a bunch of scenes were legit info in terms of story or character, then please stop. Who cares if they are having sex, if the information is being delivered?


I have a feeling that even if it rocks, you are going to complain. t:


I don't think GRRM lost his talent. I think he simply went Peter Jackson. I think he no longer has any pressure and doesn't know what to write. It took his 11 years to write one novel, that he split into two, that ended up with very little actual progress. He wrote the first 3 novels in what, 7 years? Come on now.


This sounds like a very painful way to watch television.

1) At this stage I consider it top 5 post ASOS events, pretty important in terms of the human conflict going on.

2)) He was more important than Dany was in season 2. How is that even an argument?

3)Every single scene relating to Pod and the ****es and his supposed sex god skills.

4)How it "rocks" will be a matter of opinion, but I have a feeling that even if it's trite you'll still praise it for being infinitely better than the books t:

5)By all means, if you can write something as big and multifaceted and put it out on a reasonable times span then do it. I'll be the first in line to buy it.

6) I can think of more painful things.

 

[Marvolo]

Of course Stannis was more important than Dany in season 2. D&D had to show her struggling and she wasnt a serious player then. She didnt require much screentime that season. And Blackwater was a major event and it involved Stannis in a central role which required Stannis to be dealt with. Theyve said this themeslves, but this is no longer the case. Its irrelevant how important Stannis was then or how unimportant Dany was. That isn't the case now. I know youre a fan of stannis, byt its pretty clear at this point that he isnt as central to this story or at least the show as you think he is.

 

[Roose Bolton]

I'm...not talking about Stannis. We're talking Theon in this case.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

1) At this stage I consider it top 5 post ASOS events, pretty important in terms of the human conflict going on.

2)) He was more important than Dany was in season 2. How is that even an argument?

3)Every single scene relating to Pod and the ****es and his supposed sex god skills.

4)How it "rocks" will be a matter of opinion, but I have a feeling that even if it's trite you'll still praise it for being infinitely better than the books t:

5)By all means, if you can write something as big and multifaceted and put it out on a reasonable times span then do it. I'll be the first in line to buy it.

6) I can think of more painful things.

1. I am not sure what you are talking about.

2. Dany and her dragons are always top 3 in terms of importance. It is the nature of her character and the dragons.

3. There was one scene with Pod the Sex God. And it showed Tyrion's appreciation and also led to one of the funniest moments in the series. But even if I gave you that, you literally brought one. t:

4. You clearly haven't my post on season 2 and 3, and Jon's overall arc during those two seasons.

5. I'll hold you to that.

6. I don't like my entertainment to be painful. Well unless it is meant to be.

 

[Roose Bolton]

I will literally buy that book Darth, and I expect it to be as good as the New Jedi Order series.

 

[Victarion]

I wouldn't mind Tyrion's book ending being a journey to find Tysha.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I will literally buy that book Darth, and I expect it to be as good as the New Jedi Order series.

I don't know if that is a good thing or a bad thing.