Game of Thrones - Book Readers' Thread - Part 18

[Drz]

More weddings? So, we know that one will probably be Sansa and Harry the Heir. Another marriage for Daenerys, maybe? Also did he just confirm that she and Tyrion finally meet?

Arianne Martell will marry the Dragon.

 

[Doppelganger]

Can someone just cast Eva Green as the next female to interact with Peter Dinklage?

Just for one episode that is all I ask of this show. ^^

 

[godisawesome]

Arianne Martell will marry the Dragon.

Oh, we know that's the current scenario suggested as her course of action. But the Martell's still maintain a largely cautious and slow-moving offense in the Game of Thrones, and there's a rather black(fyre) stench to the Forgotten/Piss-Water Prince. If Arianne has developed into her father's daughter as suggested by her plotline from before, she might beg off a quick marriage since she's aware of the actual Targareyan dragons in Essos and the unlikelihood of both Targs being allied together.

And where the Martells are slow and steady, the Tyrells are anything but. And Margaery has a streak to maintain in husbands. Plus, Dorne has a history of grater autonomy and a preference for decentralized power like the North as opposed to the central powers of the Reach and Westelands.

 

[Spidey-Bat]

I read an interesting theory with Sansa.

Spoiler

The guy who runs Westeros.org is a "consultant" for Martin when he needs to recall details about characters. He worked on the upcoming World of Ice and Fire. He said a Sansa chapter in TWOW would be controversial. Some assumed this meant Sansa would be raped by Littlefinger or basically martial raped by Harry the Heir after their wedding. However, an interesting theory I found is that Littlefinger will have Robin kidnapped by Lyn Corbray (a rumored pedophile, at the least he's gay) and frame it on Harry.

Just finished the first book two nights ago and I loved it. Only problem I had with it is that I think Martin is a bit of a dumbass for making most of the characters so young. Maybe it's because I watched the show first and I have those older actors in my head, but I can't take the kids serious at that age. It's hard to imagine someone who is roughly middle school age leading an army. Or that Joffrey is just about as tall and old as Robb, or was it Jon? That last complaint about Joffrey is a nitpick due to the show of course.

Bear in mind that he planned on ending the series at the Red Wedding. Then he planned on a 5-year jump but had to scrap it because he was writing too many flashbacks and it wasn't working for some characters (like Jon). That's one of the reasons why A Feast for Crows and A Dance With Dragons took so long to complete.

 

[Kane52630]

 

[Sawyer]

Oh myyyyy....

 

[NoLaNitE007]

Not buying it, tbh. Considering all the furor over the fact the character was not included in Season 4, I think it would have been rather uninspired, to say the least, if Fairley came out and said LS will be in S5. I think it's more likely they're trying to get LS out of fans' conscience, so they can make her eventual appearance a surprise. At the same time, I view her as a pretty essential part of both Brienne's and Jaime's arcs, so can't see them cutting her.

Exactly. I expect LS to be shown/introduced toward the end of next Season 5...but if she doesn't oh well. It would have been cool to see how she gets her revenge.

However, GRRM has become predictable....all we need to do is expect the unexpected and do not get to attached to good characters...good or bad on the show. So to me this means a scumbag like Roose will kill Stannis and a sick psycho like Ramsay will capture and torture Jon Snow.

Terrible if GRRM goes this route....but he probably will, since he needs a few good villian character types to keep things spicey.

 

[Hyde]

Just finished the first book two nights ago and I loved it. Only problem I had with it is that I think Martin is a bit of a dumbass for making most of the characters so young. Maybe it's because I watched the show first and I have those older actors in my head, but I can't take the kids serious at that age. It's hard to imagine someone who is roughly middle school age leading an army. Or that Joffrey is just about as tall and old as Robb, or was it Jon? That last complaint about Joffrey is a nitpick due to the show of course.

I think it just makes things a lot scarier. Like, when you think about the Red Wedding and sewing Grey Wind's head onto Robb's body, that's just a sixteen year old kid. And Theon is around that age too, so he becomes Reek and goes through a horrific amount of torture when he's barely even an adult. Plus Reek is a lot worse in the ADWD; he's gaunt thin, with grey hair.

Arianne Martell will marry the Dragon.

Ah, yes, I forgot about that. It'll be interesting to see how that plays out. At first I was convinced he was the real deal but after reading of one or two prophecies with Dany which mention the "mummer's dragon," I'm a little less sure. Would be cool to see him take King's Landing and then Westeros descend into another civil war once Daenerys arrives and they realise that he's fake.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Going by the WoW sample chapters it seems like the Dornish already suspect him of being fake. They'll probably stick with him anyways once news of Quentyn reaches them.

 

[godisawesome]

That's part of the reason no news on Quentyn for the cast yet is interesting. The Tyrells lost some sons to the adaptation for being minor characters far from the main character action, and Quentyn's story strikes some as a plot-cul-de-sac (thank you, Todd-in-the-shadows and Nostalgia Chick.) Trystane could fill his brother's role as an unintentional instigator of Arianne's coup like Lora's fills Garlans role as heir to Highgarden.

If Quentyn is removed from the story, it would imply his role in the overall saga is relatively unimportant. Which suggests either the show will have a pragmatic reason for the Martells to support Aegon, or the books will show the family continuing their stoic game and join with Danaerys in spite of Quentyn's death.

And looking at the above post about Roose, Ramsay, Stannis, and Snow, I just realized there's a strong chance that the Battle of Winterfell will be an episode long battle like Blackwater and Watchers on the Wall. That is going to be awesome! Snowfall, a ruined castle, a hated enemy, and a Baratheon-Stark alliance united against a single foe for the first time since Robert's Rebellion. They better not screw up that build up, especially since they might take two seasons to get to it.

 

[NoLaNitE007]

And looking at the above post about Roose, Ramsay, Stannis, and Snow, I just realized there's a strong chance that the Battle of Winterfell will be an episode long battle like Blackwater and Watchers on the Wall. That is going to be awesome! Snowfall, a ruined castle, a hated enemy, and a Baratheon-Stark alliance united against a single foe for the first time since Robert's Rebellion. They better not screw up that build up, especially since they might take two seasons to get to it.

I am sure the show runners have that planned as well. The big battle of Winterfell between Stannis, Roose, and the bastards Ramsay and Jon should be epic....just like the battle of Blackwater and the battle at the Wall. Hope the build up doesn't take two seasons and the battle might happen in Season 7 of the show? Ugh...waaaaaay too long.

I still see the despicable scumbags Roose and Ramsay winning in some treacherous way...as usual unfortunately.

 

[Drz]

Oh, we know that's the current scenario suggested as her course of action. But the Martell's still maintain a largely cautious and slow-moving offense in the Game of Thrones

You think Doran wants to support Daenerys after what happened to his son?

 

[Hyde]

Well, he doesn't know Quentyn's dead yet. And he brought it on himself. He went into a pit with two huge dragons and expected them to be nice and friendly towards him. Yeah, Doran can make the point that the dragons are dangerous (no ****), but it wasn't as if Daenerys set them loose on him.

 

[Loki882]

It works within the context of the books but would have been weird to visually see them. Ender's Game for example, in the movie, the actors were fine but it just seemed odd with the kids talking like adults and being in the situations as they were.

Another problem is finding child actors that can, you know, actually act (or at least continue to act well once they get older). It's a nightmare to cast roles like that, especially if it's a film or TV series that's going to go on for a decade or more. Harry Potter got monumentally lucky in that regard.

 

[Victarion]

Well, he doesn't know Quentyn's dead yet. And he brought it on himself. He went into a pit with two huge dragons and expected them to be nice and friendly towards him. Yeah, Doran can make the point that the dragons are dangerous (no ****), but it wasn't as if Daenerys set them loose on him.

I was more baffled at Quentyn thinking he could load one onto a wagon and escape Meereen.

 

[Spidey-Bat]

My friend and I watched the first 7 episodes of the show (6 this afternoon!).

Funny things I've noticed:
Cersei wanted Robert to name Jaime as Hand of the King (he would lose one)
Before Jon leaves for the Night's Watch, Jaime shakes his hand (Jaime loses his, Jon burns his) and tells him, "Give my regards to the Night's Watch"
Joffrey wants to depose the Starks and appoint someone loyal to the crown as Warden of the North
Jory tells Jaime that Theon is a good lad, Jaime replies, "I doubt it."

I forgot how timid Daenerys was as well. I appreciate her character progression more even though she acted like an entitled brat in season 2.

 

[Roose Bolton]

I was more baffled at Quentyn thinking he could load one onto a wagon and escape Meereen.

Well to be fair, his great-great-great Grandmother was a Targaryen princess, and Dany did outright tell him that it was very possible for him to tame one.

Plus....which guardsman would turn down Pretty Meris

 

[Marvolo]

Reading Quentyn's chapters [BLACKOUT]and him thinking he could steal the dragon had me rolling. Such a dumbass.[/BLACKOUT]

Have they cast him yet?

 

[Kane52630]

 

[Hyde]

Reading Quentyn's chapters [BLACKOUT]and him thinking he could steal the dragon had me rolling. Such a dumbass.[/BLACKOUT]

Have they cast him yet?

No. I'm kinda expecting them to cut him.

 

[Hyde]

The U.S. ambassador of Spain (and ex-Vice President of HBO) has confirmed that Spain will be doubling for Dorne in Season 5 http://hbowatch.com/spain-to-serve-as-dorne-in-game-of-thrones-season-5/

There's also a photo at the link of the location being used for the Water Gardens. Not how I pictured it, but it looks nice

 

[Marvolo]

The U.S. ambassador of Spain (and ex-Vice President of HBO) has confirmed that Spain will be doubling for Dorne in Season 5 http://hbowatch.com/spain-to-serve-as-dorne-in-game-of-thrones-season-5/

There's also a photo at the link of the location being used for the Water Gardens. Not how I pictured it, but it looks nice

That's damn near identical to how I pictured them. Dorne has always given me an Arabian/Mediterranean vibe so shooting in Spain is perfect.

 

[jonathancrane]

I agree with Marvolo!

 

[iamlegend]

You think Doran wants to support Daenerys after what happened to his son?

Doran is extraordinarily logical. If he gets the truth of it, he wouldn't hesitate to ally with Dany. She wasn't even in the city when Quentyn died.

 

[iamlegend]

Exactly. I expect LS to be shown/introduced toward the end of next Season 5...but if she doesn't oh well. It would have been cool to see how she gets her revenge.

However, GRRM has become predictable....all we need to do is expect the unexpected and do not get to attached to good characters...good or bad on the show. So to me this means a scumbag like Roose will kill Stannis and a sick psycho like Ramsay will capture and torture Jon Snow.

Terrible if GRRM goes this route....but he probably will, since he needs a few good villian character types to keep things spicey.

I honestly don't think it'll happen, sadly. Something I very much wanted to see.

I do think someone will have a scene where they hang Lame Lothar Frey, though. They went out of their way to make a relatively minor character very recognizable (what with the heavy limp), and had him kill Talisa personally. I don't know why they'd do that if they didn't plan on rolling him out later as a character that viewers would recognize in a role similar to that of Merret Frey.