Game of Thrones - Book Readers' Thread - Part 18

[Roose Bolton]

You also have to remember Dorne allows them to do more sexposition scenes, which they must have been hungry for.

 

[Victarion]

Porne

 

[ЯɘvlveR]

i don't think faegon/joncon are cut per se since i think there may be something to the rumor that they'll be in show just... different.

Spoiler

trystane is show aegon, which would make doran his jon con. it would explain d and d making him doran's heir

 

[Roose Bolton]

That theory's been floated around a lot. As has the one that Euron will be in season 6.

A bit too much optimism for my liking.

 

[Victarion]

I would give the Euron theories a bit more credit. He really doesn't have all that much material between books four and five, but at this point it might be better if the Night's King and his followers were given some development. I would hate for them to be reduced to Sauron-type characters. Euron's stake seems to be more in the Battle of Fire. The show could shift his role to Daario, but not in the sense that Daario is Euron in disguise. More that Daario used his time away from Dany to build a power base, and possesses Euron's charisma.

Given Dany's softspot for children, I think it would be interesting if she learned that the White Walkers are sort of child soldiers.

 

[Iceman]

Sky Atlantic (in UK) are showing all the repeats a couple of hours a day. They're already on Season 4. I hope they go back and start from the beginning so I can get them all recorded on cable and not have to dig out blu-rays every time.

 

[Marvolo]

So do y'all think that The Raven is going to teach Bran how to warg into one of Dany's dragons? If he can warg into the dragon he wouldn't have to head back South or actually be anywhere near Dany and her dragons.

Also, Bran has had a vision of a dragon flying over a castle at one point, right? Is it possible that he has already warged into Drogon when the dragon was missing and Bran didn't realize it?

 

[Roose Bolton]

If anyone was going to Warg into Dragons, I'd think it would be Bloodraven himself. He was a Targaryen bastard, who was very famous for choosing to stay loyal to his trueborn kin. His sigil was a white dragon.

But then, we have no idea if Warging works the same on Dragons as it does other creatures. What we know of Targaryen/Dragon bonding is pretty different from a Greenseer capability to inhabit the flesh of another.

It's possible I suppose, but I'm not hedging my bets right away.

 

[Victarion]

Also, Bran has had a vision of a dragon flying over a castle at one point, right? Is it possible that he has already warged into Drogon when the dragon was missing and Bran didn't realize it?

Some interpret this as further evidence that Jon is Rhaegar's son. I believe this vision came at the end of A Clash of Kings, and that the dragon was seen over the ruins of Winterfell.

Bran warging a dragon seems likely, given how Bloodraven promises that Bran will eventually fly. However, since dragons are apparently fire made flesh (didn't fire spout from a spear wound that Drogon took in Daznak's Pit?), I think trying to warg one would cause the individual to burst into flame.

 

[Marvolo]

I can't remember if fire came out of drogon's wound, but I know his blood and skin will burn normal people to a crisp just by touching them. Danny's Targ blood is the only thing that protects her from it.

 

[Roose Bolton]

His blood steams, I remember that much at least. And Dany's hands are burnt by how warm his scales were. Likewise when it rains upon their hide, or if they go swimming, their bodies give off steam.

But we have to remember that Dany isn't immune to flame or anything like that. Targaryens have a stronger tolerance for heat than most due to their Valyrian ancestry, but they're not fireproof.

 

[Infinity9999x]

His blood steams, I remember that much at least. And Dany's hands are burnt by how warm his scales were. Likewise when it rains upon their hide, or if they go swimming, their bodies give off steam.

But we have to remember that Dany isn't immune to flame or anything like that. Targaryens have a stronger tolerance for heat than most due to their Valyrian ancestry, but they're not fireproof.

Is she immune to fire connected to Dragons? Because surviving sitting in the middle of giant burning pyre certainly seems to indicate she's immune to flame. I was always a bit confused on that issue myself.

 

[Roose Bolton]

GRRM once said, in one of his "So Spake Martins" that the event in which the dragons were born was a one time thing, and that her immunity to the flame was because of the magic involved in that specific event.

That stuff we see in the show where she's touching scolding eggs and not getting hurt is completely added by the show, and like I said, is shown to be not that case when she actually rides Drogon and has her hands burnt and blistered because of how scolding hot his scales are.

http://www.westeros.org/Citadel/SSM/Entry/945/

 

[Reek]

 

[Roose Bolton]

 

[Reek]

 

[Roose Bolton]

 

[Reek]

 

[ЯɘvlveR]

i think bloodraven is done after he trains bran. he's been waiting for bran for a reason. dany gets drogon, and jon gets a dragon, maybe tyrion gets one and that's the one bran skin changes into.

 

[ЯɘvlveR]

stannis as the night's king (not really he played merlin in that king arthur movie from ten years ago)

 

[Victarion]

Stannis, Illyrio, Jon and some White Walkers.

 

[Roose Bolton]

i think bloodraven is done after he trains bran. he's been waiting for bran for a reason. dany gets drogon, and jon gets a dragon, maybe tyrion gets one and that's the one bran skin changes into.

You know, there's a theory that Quaithe is actually Shiera Seastar, which would mean she's doing for Dany what her old lover is doing for Bran.

 

[Victarion]

You know, there's a theory that Quaithe is actually Shiera Seastar, which would mean she's doing for Dany what her old lover is doing for Bran.

She wouldn't be related to Aurane Waters, would she?

 

[Roose Bolton]

Only in the loosest of sense. Shiera's mother was from Essos and her father Aegon the Unworthy was the cousin of Aurane's Targaryen ancestor Elaena and the various Velaryon kin that all Targs have.

 

[Sawyer]

Returns April 12th