Game of Thrones - Book Readers' Thread - - Part 19

[Reek]

since... having Ramsay... the now most evil being in te 7 kingdoms... rape Sansa.. the most pure being left in the 7 kingdoms... is so beyond Game of Thrones. finish the season and see where this goes first. Sansa didn't put up a fight at all...she know what was goin on.

Drogos "rape" was the same as Sansas. Its just by now we have grown with Sansa.

 

[Reek]

Oh and people DID complain about the Dany/Khal Drogo thing btw.

since I said no one complained and all.

 

[ЯɘvlveR]

i wasn't a fan of that last scene, but some sort of silver lining by the the end of the season, even if this is GoT.

my guess is super brienne ends ramsay during the battle vs stannis (which will probably make sansa think of arya) brienne helps them escape, they end up in stannis' camp after stannis wins the battle where brienne slays stannis before she is killed.

selyse sacrifices shireen to resurrect stannis , after mel fails with a lord of light prayer. mel needs her azor ahai so she writes the pink letter to get Jon to come to winterfell, Jon get's et tu'd by olly, warg eyes end credits.

 

[ЯɘvlveR]

any guesses as to what episode 10 will be called?

edit:nevermind, i just remember reading somewhere that it will be called

Spoiler

"Winter"

 

[ThePhantasm]

This latest episode confirmed that when D&D diverge from the books they really make a mess of things. They are atrocious writers, hack artists of shock value and torture porn, all blast and no substance. This bit with Sansa really is the last straw. They've ruined her storyline with a cliche, the ol' "rape motivated me to be a badass" predictable arc. The Dorne stuff was laughably bad. I remember seeing some people on this forum say "if this happens to Sansa I'll stop watching this show" and now they are even defending this tripe. Not me. I'm done.

 

[Reek]

any guesses as to what episode 10 will be called?

edit:nevermind, i just remember reading somewhere that it will be called

Spoiler

"Winter"

Yea but what does that even mean... are [BLACKOUT]the walkers going to attack? or just bad snow storms? lol Winterfell felt so dreary and dead with deep snows etc in the books... its hard to capture that feeling of dread on screen. [/BLACKOUT]

I think we will be seeing a lot of peasants etc dead and the walkers breaking through the wall (NOT at castle black) as a final scene

 

[Reek]

This latest episode confirmed that when D&D diverge from the books they really make a mess of things. They are atrocious writers, hack artists of shock value and torture porn, all blast and no substance. This bit with Sansa really is the last straw. They've ruined her storyline with a cliche, the ol' "rape motivated me to be a badass" predictable arc. The Dorne stuff was laughably bad. I remember seeing some people on this forum say "if this happens to Sansa I'll stop watching this show" and now they are even defending this tripe. Not me. I'm done.

this is as cliche as the ol 'rape motivated me to be a badass' here. We don't even know if she does become a bad ass lol. for all we know, Michelle Fairley comes back

 

[ThePhantasm]

Guess how many ****s I give?

Hint: less than one ****.

 

[Reek]

Mmmk.

Anyhow Ollena and the High Sparrow scene should be awesome

 

[Thundercrack85]

I do find it a bit odd that none of these characters take their religion very seriously. For a setting so reminiscent and patterned after Medieval Europe, Stannis is the only one who is apropriately religious.

It seems to be more of an afterthought, or a minor inconvenience for most characters.

Which is particularly weird since in this universe, characters have reason to believe that supernatural beings probably do exist.

 

[craigdbfan]

I must be super desensitized because that last scene didn't alarm or surprise me for one bit. In fact I thought it was super tame in comparison to what I was expecting.

I'm surprised more about this apparent backlash. Hello, it's Game of Thrones folks if you haven't noticed yet.

 

[Reek]

 

[Mikelus]

This latest episode confirmed that when D&D diverge from the books they really make a mess of things. They are atrocious writers, hack artists of shock value and torture porn, all blast and no substance. This bit with Sansa really is the last straw. They've ruined her storyline with a cliche, the ol' "rape motivated me to be a badass" predictable arc. The Dorne stuff was laughably bad. I remember seeing some people on this forum say "if this happens to Sansa I'll stop watching this show" and now they are even defending this tripe. Not me. I'm done.

What about our friend George, because you could say the same thing about him...

Anyway, it's still one of the best shows on television, critically acclaimed, you may dislike what they're doing, but is far from predictable, now even more because is diverging from the books. Sansa may become a stronger person, maybe not, she could even die, we don't know what's going to happen to her, which is good. Definitely, despite the Dorne story being rushed, one of the best episodes of the season IMO.

 

[ЯɘvlveR]

Yea but what does that even mean... are [BLACKOUT]the walkers going to attack? or just bad snow storms? lol Winterfell felt so dreary and dead with deep snows etc in the books... its hard to capture that feeling of dread on screen. [/BLACKOUT]

I think we will be seeing a lot of peasants etc dead and the walkers breaking through the wall (NOT at castle black) as a final scene

Spoiler

my guess is the battle of winterfell occurs episode 9, that'll be the northern story line for that episode, episode ten occurs with the aftermath of ep08 'hardhome' where the night's king supposedly shows up.

i like the idea of them descending on castle black as the ides occurs. Hopefully tormund and the wildlings get Jon's body the **** out of there, and head for winterfell.

season 6 should be twow material. my super optimistic fan notion is that howland reed makes it to winterfell as tormund and the wildlings arrive with Jon's body and we get r+l= J revealed.

 

[Roose Bolton]

George has written disturbing things, but he is quite a bit more subtle than the show. You could read the books and not even realized that Theon has been castrated. Basically the books skipped over the entire torture sequences with him being Reek in ADWD. It's more the implications rather than what's actually shown.

I do find it a bit odd that none of these characters take their religion very seriously. For a setting so reminiscent and patterned after Medieval Europe, Stannis is the only one who is apropriately religious.

It seems to be more of an afterthought, or a minor inconvenience for most characters.

Which is particularly weird since in this universe, characters have reason to believe that supernatural beings probably do exist.

And even he's not religious. Stannis is basically an atheist who is pragmatic enough to realize that R'hllor has power and can be a weapon he can use against his enemies, which comes more from having seen the power of magic at work rather than any piety.

But then, in-universe, religion has had it's fangs removed pretty early. The Faith of the Seven had it's militant power removed when the Targaryens took over because their Valyrian practices of incest were against the Andal teachings. So while it's a thing the characters in the south have to pay lip service to, it lacks the power and might of the medieval Catholic church. And the Old Gods of the North have no real organization, no priests, no churches or temples...so it's less "enforced' on them growing up.

The Greyjoys and the Ironborn people however, are devout in their worship of the Drowned God. But then that entire faction and it's people have been cut from the show, so we don't really get to see that. In the east the Red God gets a large following, but again, that isn't exactly shown in as great a detail.

 

[Loki882]

And honestly, I never liked the whole book scene either because I found it to be pointless as well.

Oh and if anyone other than Sansa does away with Ramsay, then that just complete the writer's crapping all over her character. So no, it shouldn't be Brienne, or Stannis, or Littlefinger, or anyone else. Unless it's made explicitly clear that they're operating at her behest.

 

[Loki882]

What about our friend George, because you could say the same thing about him...

Anyway, it's still one of the best shows on television, critically acclaimed, you may dislike what they're doing, but is far from predictable, now even more because is diverging from the books. Sansa may become a stronger person, maybe not, she could even die, we don't know what's going to happen to her, which is good. Definitely, despite the Dorne story being rushed, one of the best episodes of the season IMO.

This was completely predictable. I've seen a lot of people calling it for months. And your show shouldn't get to the point where a brutal rape scene gets a response like "of course they went there. why wouldn't they, they don't know how to do anything else apparently."

 

[Roose Bolton]

Honestly, as bad as it was, I still think Theon deserves to be the one to kill Ramsay or at least play an active part in it. Rape is a horrible violation of someone's person, but what Ramsay did to Theon goes beyond violation and into utter mutilation and destruction. We only sympathize with Sansa more because she hasn't made the mistakes that Theon has. That doesn't change the fact that Ramsay has hurt Theon in ways that are deeper and more horrific.

 

[Loki882]

I must be super desensitized because that last scene didn't alarm or surprise me for one bit. In fact I thought it was super tame in comparison to what I was expecting.

I'm surprised more about this apparent backlash. Hello, it's Game of Thrones folks if you haven't noticed yet.

Because at least the other violence/disturbing crap felt necessary. This didn't, it felt like being shocking for it's own sake. And the fact that they altered Sansa's storyline just to set up a freaking rape scene didn't help matters. And we can add this show having a (dismal) track record when it comes to their "changes" to the source material. Turning the Jamie/Cersei scene last season into a rape, making Khal Drogo/Dany even more overtly rapey than it was originally, the whole Night Watch mutineers sex dungeon thing that they made up, and so on.

It's like these writer's aren't creative enough to do anything else. They need a quick "character motivator," well throw in a rape. Hell they do it for MALE characters. Oberyn's entire motivation involved a rape as well, as did Tyrion's backstory. It's already a lazy and tired enough cliché. This show's obsession with it has just made it more so, as well as boring and predictable

And finally, it seemed like Sansa, who ENTIRE STORY up until this point has revolved around being victimized, was starting to make SOME kind of progression. And lots of people were interested to see where it went. And then they pull this crap and it's all like "really, you're doing this again? You're doing this to HER again? Bravo writers, just bravo. How freaking original of you."

 

[Loki882]

Honestly, as bad as it was, I still think Theon deserves to be the one to kill Ramsay or at least play an active part in it. Rape is a horrible violation of someone's person, but what Ramsay did to Theon goes beyond violation and into utter mutilation and destruction. We only sympathize with Sansa more because she hasn't made the mistakes that Theon has. That doesn't change the fact that Ramsay has hurt Theon in ways that are deeper and more horrific.

Ok fine, they get to tag-team him. I can live with that. But anyone else and I call BS.

 

[Reek]

It will be Myranda

 

[dude stannis]

Honestly, as bad as it was, I still think Theon deserves to be the one to kill Ramsay or at least play an active part in it. Rape is a horrible violation of someone's person, but what Ramsay did to Theon goes beyond violation and into utter mutilation and destruction. We only sympathize with Sansa more because she hasn't made the mistakes that Theon has. That doesn't change the fact that Ramsay has hurt Theon in ways that are deeper and more horrific.

I think it'll come down to bastard vs barstard. The parallels and differences GRRM has set between Snow and Ramsey are too obvious.

 

[Roose Bolton]

I think it'll come down to bastard vs barstard. The parallels and differences GRRM has set between Snow and Ramsey are too obvious.

I wouldn't discount that theory, though I think it's inherently more gratifying to see Ramsay brought down by someone he victimized. I'll go one further, and say that Ramsay's death will be exactly the same as what he's done to all the various women over the years; torn apart by dogs.

 

[dude stannis]

Dogs you say? I could see that. Led by Nymeria even!

 

[Roose Bolton]

It'll just be like the ending of Ridley Scott's Hannibal!